Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

[AbuAbdallah]

So you should not be giving to charity etc etc outside of Ramzan? That is what I meant!

I'm sorry, I misread your statement, I thought you were asking why we shouldn't fast all year round!

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

dude is siksm like a comentary on islam or something, always with the muslims do this and that.. cant they just leave us alone.

Abu Abdallah, the naked part was kinda funny..and true

Everybody wants to be associated with the best Dude!

i dont see why some muslims say he was a muslim...this guru guy, he didnt contribute anything to islam he only caused confusion among men.

ow one more thing debating isnt gonna solve anything WE WILL see come Judgment Day. if you believe in it....

 

[Malaikah]

So basically it's a job of a Sikh to stand up for those who can't themselves no matter what religion or creed, colour. Something unique i think you'll find!

The sword probably, yes, is unique, but the concept? Not at all.

now, that is cooool - a religion that says it isn't necessary to be a member in order to worship/meet god!!!
that must be totally unique!

Jews believe that too. That is why they have the 7 laws thing for non-Jews.

 

[snakelegs]

The sword probably, yes, is unique, but the concept? Not at all.



Jews believe that too. That is why they have the 7 laws thing for non-Jews.

yes - you're right! i just never thought of it quite in that way before.
actually non-jews have it a lot better than jews - follow 7 laws instead of 613!

 

[Muslim Knight]

So you should not be giving to charity etc etc outside of Ramzan? That is what I meant!

Have you ever read Islamic instructions anywhere NOT to be charitable outside of Ramadhan? If you do you can present it here in the forum and let's talk about it.

The Quran instructs us to be charitable at all times, but emphasis is given during Ramadhan for many reasons. Some are made known to us, through the narrations of our Prophet's sayings, some unknown because only Allah knows and those are the secrets He may wish to reveal upon or after the Day of Judgment.

It is in His Ultimate Wisdom, we trust and put faith in. That is what it means to become a Muslim, to submit to the will of Allah.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

i dont see why some muslims say he was a muslim...this guru guy, he didnt contribute anything to islam he only caused confusion among men.

ow one more thing debating isnt gonna solve anything WE WILL see come Judgment Day. if you believe in it....

If you can only insult take you post elsewhere. How dare you refer to Guru Nanak as ''guru guy''

The only confused person here is you!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Have you ever read Islamic instructions anywhere NOT to be charitable outside of Ramadhan? If you do you can present it here in the forum and let's talk about it.

The Quran instructs us to be charitable at all times, but emphasis is given during Ramadhan for many reasons. Some are made known to us, through the narrations of our Prophet's sayings, some unknown because only Allah knows and those are the secrets He may wish to reveal upon or after the Day of Judgment.

It is in His Ultimate Wisdom, we trust and put faith in. That is what it means to become a Muslim, to submit to the will of Allah.

I was responding to the brother who has now cleared up his misnderstanding.

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

If you can only insult take you post elsewhere. How dare you refer to Guru Nanak as ''guru guy''

The only confused person here is you!

I'm sorry if i offended you.

islam(submission to the will of God) tell us not to dispute. For disputation willl not bring us anywhere. Asalamu(submission, peace, saftey) Aleykum( be upon you)

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

I'm sorry if i offended you.

islam(submission to the will of God) tell us not to dispute. For disputation willl not bring us anywhere. Asalamu(submission, peace, saftey) Aleykum( be upon you)

No problem brother! - We should still conduct respect regardless of what faith we follow! - :happy:

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Any questions? We seem to get many in other threads, Now i've created one for the sole purpose of correcting you, and nobody wants to ask - Ironic eh! :-D

 

[One Man Army]

think the sames happend with the other posts, looks like all questions have been answered with Guru Sahibs kirpa!

 

[PanthKhalsaRaaj]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

(Pure Ones Belong To God, Victory To God)

Let's clear this up once and for all.....

Now many times on other threads that Guru Nanak Dev Ji Sikh Prophet/Avtaar is/was muslim!

Many people think that Sikhism is a sect of Islam


God sent Guru Nanak Dev Ji to the this world in order to enlighten Hindus and Muslims that they are merely fighting with each other trying to prove that their religion is superior. Guru Nanak Dev Ji preached that one does not have to be in a certain religion to meet God. It does not matter which religion one belongs to, as long as one performs true worship and meditation, he or she is capable of meeting with God. As proclaimed by God, Guru Nanak Dev Ji introduced a true immaculate way in order to attain salvation and be one with God. Whoever followed the way of Guru Nanak Dev Ji was known as Sikh. Many Hindus and Muslims joined Guru Nanak Dev Ji and became his follower. Sikhism is an independent way to meet God, which does not derive any ritual from either Hinduism or Islam, however there are some similarities in the rituals and beliefs which are clarified below. Sikhism is an individual faith established by God through Sikh Gurus and it is completely wrong to consider Sikhism as a part or combination of either Hinduism or Islam.

Guru Nanak considers himself neither Hindu nor Muslim. He did not follow Hindu rituals and nor did he join Islamic law. As commanded by God, Guru Nanak introduced a true faith, whose sole purpose is the love towards God. Guru Nanak Dev Ji denounced the superstitions followed by Hindu and Muslims and told them to worship God instead of considering their religion superior.


Following are the reasons how Sikhism is different

1. Muslims believe in polygamy and they even marry their cousins. By Islamic law Muslims can have up to four wives. Guru Nanak Dev Ji completely denounced these activities and instructed to be wedded to one person only.

2. Muslims indulge in animal sacrifices and Guru Nanak told them that this would not bring any good. Killing God’s creations in the Name of God is totally ironic. [ More ... ]


3. Muslims makes fast and consider the month of Ramadan holy. Sikhism instructs that making your body suffer will not help you to meet God. Sikhism tells that meditation of God is above all.

4. Muslims cut their hair. Sikhs however do not cut their hair as a respect towards God and live the way God made us.

5. Guru Nanak Dev Ji instructed to focus on meditation of God instead of glorifying a religion. To the Muslims Guru Nanak says, “The Muslims praise the Islamic law; they read and reflect upon it but God’s bound servants are those who bind themselves to see God” (Guru Granth Sahib, 465).


It is completely ridiculous to consider Sikhism a sect of any other religion. Just like you wouldn’t consider Christianity a sect of Buddhism, you should not consider Sikhism a sect of either Islam or Hinduism or a combination of both.


Guru Gobind Singh Ji (Tenth Sikh Prophet/Avtaar) said the following

''Bichatra Natak...he calls Muhammad MahaDeen..meaning Maha = Great..Deen = Religion''

This is respect, and nothing more. Jesus is revered in Islam, does that make you Christians? No. So hence forth stop concocting things up.

If you have any questions about Guru Nanak Dev Ji, please ask them here and will answer to the best of my abilty!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

(Pure Ones Belong To God, Victory To God)

Excellent post singh

 

[جوري]

lol.. I love how you guys write posts only to congratulate each other on what you have written. For what it is worth.. my best friend is Sikh and she for one thing dedicates at least two days in Ramadan to fast with me.. albeit it on the weekend and she gets to choose the restaurant where we break our fast...
She is not a vegetarian!.. and she is alot less sarcastic and more human than I have seen from your posts here. Please respect that this is an Islamic forum... By the way if I wanted to convert her I had nearly an entire decade to do so.. So I really don't understand what it is about Islam and Muslims that frightens you so... why don't you just live and let live?

 

[PanthKhalsaRaaj]

lol.. I love how you guys write posts only to congratulate each other on what you have written. For what it is worth.. my best friend is Sikh and she for one thing dedicates at least two days in Ramadan to fast with me.. albeit it on the weekend and she gets to choose the restaurant where we break our fast...
She is not a vegetarian!.. and she is alot less sarcastic and more human than I have seen from your posts here. Please respect that this is an Islamic forum... By the way if I wanted to convert her I had nearly an entire decade to do so.. So I really don't understand what it is about Islam and Muslims that frightens you so... why don't you just live and let live?

I am sorry but what has ur friend got to do with anything?
and well im sorry maybe ur friend claims to be a sikh but according to our code of conduct someone who eats meat or fasts cannot be called a sikh.
Ok thats great u havent tried any conversion tactics however there are alot of people that wud. In england for example the extremist HUT organisation targets young sikh girls and drug them and take photos of them in unidignifed positions while they are drugged and then threaten to show parents unless they convert. There have been countless cases of this.
And btw, we arent scared, dont you worry, we are the KHALSA, we fear no body.

 

[جوري]

I am sorry but what has ur friend got to do with anything?
and well im sorry maybe ur friend claims to be a sikh but according to our code of conduct someone who eats meat or fasts cannot be called a sikh.
Ok thats great u havent tried any conversion tactics however there are alot of people that wud. In england for example the extremist HUT organisation targets young sikh girls and drug them and take photos of them in unidignifed positions while they are drugged and then threaten to show parents unless they convert. There have been countless cases of this.
And btw, we arent scared, dont you worry, we are the KHALSA, we fear no body.

I am sorry but what does the HUT organization have to do with anything?

I am sure she couldn't care less what your thoughts are of her... she is lots more educated than you will ever be... I can just tell by the quality of your posts! besides--I thought really religious people don't judge least of which one of their own?

lol ---I love the "conversion tactics"... being a Muslim is a privilege not a coercion.

and lastly being a Khalsa is supposed to mean something to me? All I can say is good for you!

 

[PanthKhalsaRaaj]

I am sorry but what does the HUT organization have to do with anything?

I am sure she couldn't care less what your thoughts are of her... she is lots more educated than you will ever be... I can just tell by the quality of your posts! besides--I thought really religious people don't judge least of which one of their own?

lol ---I love the "conversion tactics"... being a Muslim is a privilege not a coercion.

and lastly being a Khalsa is supposed to mean something to me? All I can say is good for you!

i merely used the HUT organisation as an example, because you mentioned that you hadnt tried to convert your friend,and the general tone of your post was that members of the Islamic faith dont try to convert others, which i strongly disagree with.
Erm, i wasnt giving my thoughts on her, neither was i trying to insult her, i was just pointing out a rather big error in your post. Its like this, what if i started saying that i have a muslim friend, and the other day he was eating a sausage. Wouldnt you point out to me that this person wasnt a muslim, therefore any arguments i gave based on my friend were void in regards to the behaviour of a muslim.
And lady, lol, no need to turn this into a year 3 cussing match,

 

[- Qatada -]

Alright everyone calm down insha'Allaah. We just here to get an understanding, not to fight or anything.

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Purestambrosial Sister....

It's nice you have a Sikh sister who is openminded. But would you yourself participate in something Sikh?

Sikhs have no problem with Guru Nanak being called hindu muslim buddhist etc etc. It's when it used to convert Sikhs into their own relgions, do you think that is correct?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, is well respected by all. He was a very peacful man and full of love and devotion of all and Gods creation. - Muslims and Hindus upon his death wanted to do do as was custom in their own religions. Muslims bury and Hindus cremate, would they have done this if he was an imposter? or if he was devious or anything other than a humble servant of the Timeless Alah?? NO is my answer. I'd love to hear yours.

Gur Fateh Ji!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh - KhalsaDaRaj brother!

 

[جوري]

Purestambrosial Sister....

It's nice you have a Sikh sister who is openminded. But would you yourself participate in something Sikh?

Sikhs have no problem with Guru Nanak being called hindu muslim buddhist etc etc. It's when it used to convert Sikhs into their own relgions, do you think that is correct?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji, is well respected by all. He was a very peacful man and full of love and devotion of all and Gods creation. - Muslims and Hindus upon his death wanted to do do as was custom in their own religions. Muslims bury and Hindus cremate, would they have done this if he was an imposter? or if he was devious or anything other than a humble servant of the Timeless Alah?? NO is my answer. I'd love to hear yours.

Gur Fateh Ji!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh - KhalsaDaRaj brother!

I was asked kindly by a mod to not extend this beyond what it needs to be!

and to answer your Q would be Yes! I would participate with her in her holidays so long as there was nothing blatantly contradicting to my religion!... She had to go to your "Gdwar" sorry for spelling, I am not sure for which holiday. and I drove her and waited for her in the car until she was done and afterwards we celebrated by having I guess what you call "Laddo"? and other sweets.

I didn't feel any less Muslim... any more than she feels less Sikh when fasting with me. She does it as a sister in humanity. And I have certainly never invited her to do so.. she does it because she is a friend who wishes to share in my experience...

I really think it is a shame more people can't get along like we do!
To me she is grown as a person since I have known her... and I know for having shared a flat with her during grad school that she prays everyday...... so what to tell? sorry she would disappoint you as a sikh... but I am certainly glad she is the first impression I had of your folks!... Since I don't really have that great of an impression by some of the posts here!

I don't know if that answered your Q? I am not familiar with who did what to your guru... to be honest not sure why I should care at this rate? hate shouldn't influence your relationships!

 

[AvarAllahNoor]

Thanks for your reply.

I try to make my posts as amicable as possible on this forum! - I'm happy you're good friends. - Also your friendship is more of one that is more openly practiced in india amongst the Sikhs, Muslims and Hindus - Yes it is sad, we don't practice it here.

I myself have have had s muslim friend who went to the Gurdwara with me, and he sat down and just listned to the verses being read. He really Enjoyed it. I went to the mosque with him, and likewise enjoyed it. This to me is the Sikhism my Guru's (ALL, Even those that were tortured said we should forgive and not judge others by the actions of a few.) This speaks volumes to me.

We are all human and the verse uttered by Dhan Guru Gobind Singh ji Shah-E-Shenshah

'Manus ki jaat sabhai ek pehchanbo'

recognise and accept this fact, that humans are one race :-D