Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

Compose a list of these actions! - Let us compare, you're making comments without any facts!
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If I am wrong then please correct me, as I know very little about Sikhs.
 
AbuAbdallah said:
If I am wrong then please correct me, as I know very little about Sikhs.
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You're the one making the claim, so I expect you to find me soemthing that you belieive are the actions of hindus and muslims, which sikhs ''copy'' :D
 
You're the one making the claim, so I expect you to find me soemthing that you belieive are the actions of hindus and muslims, which sikhs ''copy''
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Okay, for example
"There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate."
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib, volume 1 Japuji)
To Muslims this should sound very familiar.

"Dukh mein sumirana sabh karein
Sukh mein karein na koya
Jo sukh mein sumirana karein
To dukh kaye hoye?"

"In times of trouble, God is remembered by all But none remembers Him during peace and happiness. If God is remembered in good times of happiness Why should trouble occur?"
(Sant Kabir)

Compare this with the following verse of the Qur’an: "When some trouble toucheth man, He crieth unto his Lord, Turning to Him in repentance: But when He bestoweth A favour upon him As from Himself, (Man) doth forget what he cried And prayed for before, And he doth set up Rivals unto Allah." [Al-Qur’an 39:8]

Let me repeat that I know very little about Sikhs.
 
AbuAbdallah said:
Okay, for example
"There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate."
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib, volume 1 Japuji)
To Muslims this should sound very familiar.

"Dukh mein sumirana sabh karein
Sukh mein karein na koya
Jo sukh mein sumirana karein
To dukh kaye hoye?"

"In times of trouble, God is remembered by all But none remembers Him during peace and happiness. If God is remembered in good times of happiness Why should trouble occur?"
(Sant Kabir)

Compare this with the following verse of the Qur’an: "When some trouble toucheth man, He crieth unto his Lord, Turning to Him in repentance: But when He bestoweth A favour upon him As from Himself, (Man) doth forget what he cried And prayed for before, And he doth set up Rivals unto Allah." [Al-Qur’an 39:8]

Let me repeat that I know very little about Sikhs.
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So what are you saying? Are you saying that even though this is true, saints and gurus shouldn't have said so?
 
AbuAbdallah said:
Okay, for example
"There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate."
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib, volume 1 Japuji)
To Muslims this should sound very familiar.

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LMAO - I've never laughed so much in my entire life on these boards!! - THIS IS NOT COPYING - It may have escaped your mind THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!!!!

Perhaps they should have thought that they would have been accused of 'copying' So, just for arguments sake lets change it shall we....

From now one we'll say we have two Gods.... :rollseyes
 
AbuAbdallah said:
Okay, for example
"There exists but one God, who is called The True, The Creator, Free from fear and hate, Immortal, Not begotten, Self-Existent, Great and Compassionate."
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib, volume 1 Japuji)
To Muslims this should sound very familiar.

"Dukh mein sumirana sabh karein
Sukh mein karein na koya
Jo sukh mein sumirana karein
To dukh kaye hoye?"

"In times of trouble, God is remembered by all But none remembers Him during peace and happiness. If God is remembered in good times of happiness Why should trouble occur?"
(Sant Kabir)

Compare this with the following verse of the Qur’an: "When some trouble toucheth man, He crieth unto his Lord, Turning to Him in repentance: But when He bestoweth A favour upon him As from Himself, (Man) doth forget what he cried And prayed for before, And he doth set up Rivals unto Allah." [Al-Qur’an 39:8]

Let me repeat that I know very little about Sikhs.
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I could say you've taken verses similar from the Bible....
 
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dear 'avarallahnoor', please pm me with your email address. i am trying to contact you about something important but i am not able to pm you myself because i am a new member.

thank you.
 
gkk said:
Dear 'avarallahnoor', please pm me with your email address. i am trying to contact you about something important but i am not able to pm you myself because i am a new member.

Thank You.
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Just seen this Khalsa ji, and I have complied.:D
 
So now was Guru Nanak Dev Ji Muslim, Hindu or none?

Well let me explain how I understand.

Since he was a spiritual person, he was none as spirituality isn't confined to any religion or society or culture.

But yes if you look at this whole situation as Muslims possessing certain characteristics and Hindus possessing certain characteristics, he was the best Muslim or best Pandit you could ever find. He possessed all positive characteristics a Muslim or a Pandit could ever possess and plus a whole lot more. Positive characteristics refer to the characteristics that bring you closer to God and negative are the ones that take you away from God.
 
cali dude said:
So now was Guru Nanak Dev Ji Muslim, Hindu or none?

Well let me explain how I understand.

Since he was a spiritual person, he was none as spirituality isn't confined to any religion or society or culture.

But yes if you look at this whole situation as Muslims possessing certain characteristics and Hindus possessing certain characteristics, he was the best Muslim or best Pandit you could ever find. He possessed all positive characteristics a Muslim or a Pandit could ever possess and plus a whole lot more. Positive characteristics refer to the characteristics that bring you closer to God and negative are the ones that take you away from God.
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May, i ask you to please not compare your religion with Islam, as you would clearly have no profit of it. Unless sikhi is about Islam, please don't. Islam was the first and only way to live life. If you are not Muslim you have chosen your side,peace be with you. But please do not, make comments which may come over ignorant.
He could never be a muslim for he believeth not that Muhammad(SAW) or any of the other prophets are True.

P.Swhat is your book called?(sorry, dont know)

if it is the word of God than why is not god saying I and Me, why is it someone else ? unless off course, this could not be the word of God, it is so than it is easy to create, i could produce a similar EXAMPLE;

God is He Who Created all, everything and all is His Creation. He is the First The Last, all shall return to Him, The All-Knowing, The Bestower of Love and Mercy. He forgets not while many forget Him, yet He turns to them in Mercy, for He is God the One God the Omnipotent.

see how easy that was?

We as Muslim(Bowing to the will of Allah) shouldnt be debating about this it will lead us to nowhere,
All Praise and Glory is to Allah(The One and Only True God). And Peace be upon the Messengers. Ameen
 
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David, You lot are claiming Guru Nanak to be muslim, not us, so chiil. If you don't like the thread refrain from posting...
 
DAWUD_adnan said:
May, i ask you to please not compare your religion with Islam, as you would clearly have no profit of it. Unless sikhi is about Islam, please don't. Islam was the first and only way to live life. If you are not Muslim you have chosen your side,peace be with you. But please do not, make comments which may come over ignorant.
He could never be a muslim for he believeth not that Muhammad(SAW) or any of the other prophets are True.

P.Swhat is your book called?(sorry, dont know)

if it is the word of God than why is not god saying I and Me, why is it someone else ? unless off course, this could not be the word of God, it is so than it is easy to create, i could produce a similar EXAMPLE;

God is He Who Created all, everything and all is His Creation. He is the First The Last, all shall return to Him, The All-Knowing, The Bestower of Love and Mercy. He forgets not while many forget Him, yet He turns to them in Mercy, for He is God the One God the Omnipotent.

see how easy that was?

We as Muslim(Bowing to the will of Allah) shouldnt be debating about this it will lead us to nowhere,
All Praise and Glory is to Allah(The One and Only True God). And Peace be upon the Messengers. Ameen
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I am not comparing my religion to yours but this is simply a message for those who keep calling our guru Muslim.

Do you understand what I mean by characteristic. It's like someone you would have said that a Muslim does not lie for example. That's a characteristic a Muslim must possess. So what I am saying is that a Sikh possesses all positive characteristics a Muslim or Pandit could ever possess and plus a whole lot more. It has nothing to do with accepting Mohammad as prophet. A Sikh guru wouldn't need to accept a prophet.
 
A little summary so Non Sikhs can fathom the concept of the Ten Sikh Gurus.

“GOD IS ONE IN FORMLESS FORM. GOD SHEDS HIS LIGHT; HIS LIGHT IS THE CAUSE OF ALL CREATION. GOD ABIDES IN EACH OF THE CREATURES EQUALLY.

In the family of Baidis was born Nanak Rai, who gave delight to all the disciples and helped them everywhere. 4.

He initiated a New Approach to DHARMA, and showed the Path of Truth to all the Saints. Whosoever joined his way, they were never tortured by sins. 5.
Those who adopted his ways, all their sins were removed. Sorrows and sufferings of hunger never torment them, and they are never caught in the web of delusions and the cycle of time. 6.

NANAK ASSUMED THE BODY OF ANGAD and spread Dharma in this world. Then he was named Amar Das , as if a lamp was lit by the lamp.7.
When the time of BOON came, Ram Das became the Guru. Granting him the OLD BOON, Guru Amar Das left for his heavenly abode. 8.

Sri Nanak was accepted as Angad Guru, and Angad was identified as Guru Amar Das. Guru Amar Das was called (Guru) Ram Das. This mystery was understood by the saints, but the stupid ones could not follow. 9.
Ordinary persons considered them in different forms but some rare ones understood them as one. Those who knew them as one attained the high Spiritual attainment, but without understanding the mysteries, nothing can be attained. 10.

When Guru Ram Das merged in the Lord, he made Arjan as his successor Guru. When Arjan Dev went to the Abode of the Lord, Hargobind was established in his place. 11.
When (Guru) Hargobind merged in the Supreme Reality, (Guru) Har Rai sat in his place. His son Hari Krishan was established as Guru, from whom Teg Bahadur was made the Guru. 12.”

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee, out of humility he did not mention his own name that after Guru Tegh Bhadur he was made the successor Guru. Similarly, he also authored the “Ardasa”, in Composition, Chandi di Var and did not mention his own name. The Sikhs themselves added his name after mentioning the name of Guru Tegh Bahadur. No one has ever raised objection that Guru Gobind Singh was not Tenth Guru Nanak. However, in Chapter 8 of Bichiter Natak, the Guru stated that after Martyrdom of his revered father, Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur, he was established as the Guru to lead. “Raj Kaj Ham par jab aayo, Jatha sakat tab Dharam Chalio.”
 
How can God be formless? Don't you know that God has Hands, a face etc? Don't you know that God is All Aware?


God, there is none like Him - but He is the All-Hearing, All Seeing. :) So we don't know how He looks like, yet He is not like the creation as there is none like Him.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
How can God be formless? Don't you know that God has Hands, a face etc? Don't you know that God is All Aware?


God, there is none like Him - but He is the All-Hearing, All Seeing. :) So we don't know how He looks like, yet He is not like the creation as there is none like Him.
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Yes we know this. - So I'm not sure what you're point is? - This is just one of the statements made before the explanation of how the Gurus were individuals yet the same Light of Guru Nanak was passed onto nine others.
 
“GOD IS ONE IN FORMLESS FORM. GOD SHEDS HIS LIGHT; HIS LIGHT IS THE CAUSE OF ALL CREATION. GOD ABIDES IN EACH OF THE CREATURES EQUALLY.
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I was saying that God has Hands, a face etc. Yet there aren't like the creations as there is none like Him.

We don't believe in incarnation, because if someone was to say that God is within the creation - then trust me, this creation has many weaknesses and faults to it - i.e. it depends upon food and water etc. And God isn't in need of any of that. Rather He is Self-Sufficient. The creation will also die, whereas God does not die and He is the Ever-Living.

So to believe that God is within His creation is senseless, and is saying things about God which isn't true.
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
[/COLOR][/B]I was saying that God has Hands, a face etc. Yet there aren't like the creations as there is none like Him.

We don't believe in incarnation, because if someone was to say that God is within the creation - then trust me, this creation has many weaknesses and faults to it - i.e. it depends upon food and water etc. And God isn't in need of any of that. Rather He is Self-Sufficient. The creation will also die, whereas God does not die and He is the Ever-Living.

So to believe that God is within His creation is senseless, and is saying things about God which isn't true.
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Well we believe Gods light is within all, so your opnion is not what matters. But yes I guess it can be respected. :)

But the rest is Sikh belief too.
 

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