Red Mosque leader urges surrender

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Idunno about all you guys, but I'd like to properly understand this situation. From what I've picked up, the guys in the mosque are trying to forcefully implement parts of Sharia law within Pakistan even if it means breaking some of the government's laws? Is that why the government is angry at them?

Secondly, I noticed several members here writing things like "May Allah destroy them," etc...as far as I know, you should never do that. The most you should do is say "May Allah guide them". Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
 
From what I've picked up, the guys in the mosque are trying to forcefully implement parts of Sharia law within Pakistan even if it means breaking some of the government's laws?
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You picked up quite well. That's a short, but accurate assement.
 
Skywalker said:
Idunno about all you guys, but I'd like to properly understand this situation. From what I've picked up, the guys in the mosque are trying to forcefully implement parts of Sharia law within Pakistan even if it means breaking some of the government's laws? Is that why the government is angry at them?

Secondly, I noticed several members here writing things like "May Allah destroy them," etc...as far as I know, you should never do that. The most you should do is say "May Allah guide them". Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
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I'll reply in detail later but would just like to add for now that it is not possible to implement punitive side of Shariah in Pakistan as a great majority of people are illiterate and poverty stricken.

we can't go around punishing them willy nilly Taliban style.
before these laws there first needs to be a Social Security and Education System in place. People need to learn what is right and wrong before being condemned
 
Skywalker said:
Idunno about all you guys, but I'd like to properly understand this situation. From what I've picked up, the guys in the mosque are trying to forcefully implement parts of Sharia law within Pakistan even if it means breaking some of the government's laws? Is that why the government is angry at them?

Secondly, I noticed several members here writing things like "May Allah destroy them," etc...as far as I know, you should never do that. The most you should do is say "May Allah guide them". Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
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The giv't is after this masjid becuase Bush is putting pressure on musharaaf to do something about it. The masjid has 2 madrassas, one for boys and one for girls. each one has like 7,000 members or something. They are a bit aggressive then other islamic parties in calling for change but they have not tried to over throw anyone. They have been calling for shariah based courts to be set up and have been calling for society improvements and shut down of bad things like porno shops and brothels.

Lot of politicans love to go these brothels and even have their fav girls there. Some of these girls are kidnapped from various cities and forced to work here as politicans want certain age (young) and virgins. Even the brothel owners say they keep the politicans happy who threat to shut their business down otherwise.

Busharaf is very unpopular and the whole public is yelling him to get out of office. He had recently sacked a supreme court judge under the charges of bribery and favoritism when everyone knows that the judge would hear cases aganst the gov't and president. Judge is fighting for his case and his job. His case turned into a national protest against busharaf and for him to get out of office. The lawyers & judges have rep for being corrupt and what not (most of them) just like anywhere else (like US), but even then you see all the lawyers and judges behind this supreme judge to support him against busharafs injustice.

So the attack on the masjid is 1. to please his master in white house, 2. to turn attention from the mass protest and negative publicity he's getting from the judge case. Did you notice how at the start of the confrontation, it was students and clerics, and now they have turned into terrorists and qaeda members and what not. It's all propaganda by him and his stooges. He's just an old dog who is trying to hold onto power when no one wants him.
 
The giv't is after this masjid becuase Bush is putting pressure on musharaaf to do something about it.
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No matter how much sugar you put on that BS it still won't be candy.
 
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No matter how much sugar you put on that BS it still won't be candy.
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like the kuffar knows what he's talking about sitting in his state 1/2 across the world, watching his gov't controlled media :rolleyes:
 
i think the main issue is that these people have taken the law in to their own hands and this would be crushed in any country.
 
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i think the main issue is that these people have taken the law in to their own hands and this would be crushed in any country.
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I think that would be totally accurate. :thumbs_up

I just don't understand the logic behind people supporting armed groups doing what ever they want. :confused:
 
Social Security and Education first shariah courts later
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he is back with his libelous, rude and sometimes obscene statements, Please stop him or I shall reply to him, again, line by line!
The giv't is after this masjid becuase Bush is putting pressure on musharaaf to do something about it. The masjid has 2 madrassas, one for boys and one for girls. each one has like 7,000 members or something. They are a bit aggressive then other islamic parties in calling for change but they have not tried to over throw anyone. They have been calling for shariah based courts to be set up and have been calling for society improvements and shut down of bad things like porno shops and brothels.

Lot of politicans love to go these brothels and even have their fav girls there. Some of these girls are kidnapped from various cities and forced to work here as politicans want certain age (young) and virgins. Even the brothel owners say they keep the politicans happy who threat to shut their business down otherwise.

Busharaf is very unpopular and the whole public is yelling him to get out of office. He had recently sacked a supreme court judge under the charges of bribery and favoritism when everyone knows that the judge would hear cases aganst the gov't and president. Judge is fighting for his case and his job. His case turned into a national protest against busharaf and for him to get out of office. The lawyers & judges have rep for being corrupt and what not (most of them) just like anywhere else (like US), but even then you see all the lawyers and judges behind this supreme judge to support him against busharafs injustice.

So the attack on the masjid is 1. to please his master in white house, 2. to turn attention from the mass protest and negative publicity he's getting from the judge case. Did you notice how at the start of the confrontation, it was students and clerics, and now they have turned into terrorists and qaeda members and what not. It's all propaganda by him and his stooges. He's just an old dog who is trying to hold onto power when no one wants him.
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it is unIslamic to punish starving and illiterate

Social Security and Education first shariah courts later​
 
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Skywalker said:
Secondly, I noticed several members here writing things like "May Allah destroy them," etc...as far as I know, you should never do that. The most you should do is say "May Allah guide them". Please correct me if I'm wrong here.
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Yeah im one of the above mentioned members because when someone goes beyond limits n plannes to kil all the mujahideens n good muslim so that he can continue his wickedness so there is nothing more to pray than his destruction. And we do say this that if hidaayt is fated for him then, its the best otherwise destruction is the only solution ...
And please dear muslims and muslimahs donot believe in media blindly. Media is all time-supporter of pakistani government :cry:
 
wilberhum said:
martyred? :rolleyes:
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SubhanAllah!! ^o) m amazed. So all this mocking for him. Do you know the secrets[ghaib] ...??... The way he has been killed clearly shows that he has been martyred. For Allah's sake please stop giving your own opinions because none knows Allah's decision. inshAllah he was sincere..may Allah give him a high position in Jannah. And hidaayah to all the mockers. Ameen.
 
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Yeah im one of the above mentioned members because when someone goes beyond limits n plannes to kil all the mujahideens n good muslim so that he can continue his wickedness so there is nothing more to pray than his destruction. And we do say this that if hidaayt is fated for him then, its the best otherwise destruction is the only solution ...
And please dear muslims and muslimahs donot believe in media blindly. Media is all time-supporter of pakistani government :cry:
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SubhanAllah!! ^o) m amazed. So all this mocking for him. Do you know the secrets[ghaib] ...??... The way he has been killed clearly shows that he has been martyred. For Allah's sake please stop giving your own opinions because none knows Allah's decision. inshAllah he was sincere..may Allah give him a high position in Jannah. And hidaayah to all the mockers. Ameen.
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Can you prove that from The Holy Qura'an? Or any genuine hadith?

Audhobillah min al-shaitan al-rajim
 
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you don't have to support the government in order to realise that no government can (or would) allow people to take the law in their own hands.
 
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Assalaamu 3alaikum wa rahmatullaah wa Barakaatuh,
Perished are the hands that killed the sheikh and perished are the hands that killed Muslims for no crime except calling to the Path of Allaah and rejecting allegiance to the kuffaar.. Inshaa Alaah the sheikh and those with him died shuhadaa since they died fighting immorality and died at the hands of forces allied with the enemies of Islaam. Also, since his death pleases the kuffaar it most certainly displeases Allaah.
They even use the same language the American and British military uses: "combatants", " foreign militants", " 50 militants have been killed ". Why don't they speak the truth and say that 50 pious Muslims were murdered to please the hypocrite traitor Musharraf and his masters in Washington.

This is premeditated murder and I believe sheikh Rehmatullah Khalil, in the mediation team, who accused Musharraf of sabotaging a draft agreement with the mosque's chief cleric. They were prepared to kill as many as 400 Muslims inside the Masjid (since the army has ordered 400 white shrouds).


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there is always a reason for groups of people to want to overthrow their government. Often it is good to take a look at some of the reasons people take action. We may not agree with the actions they take, but perhaps the rasons for the actions need to be corrected.

Ms. Gohar and other experts say systemic corruption in government construction projects is directly responsible for the devastating losses among northern Pakistan's next generation.

"This is criminal negligence by the state," says Gohar, whose organization is considering a public interest lawsuit against the education department of the government, and the department of communications and works.

The call for an investigation, fast becoming a political battleground, is but one of many immense challenges now facing a nation struggling to rehabilitate its future generations.

The landscape in the north is littered with flattened schools, eerily transformed into some of the largest graveyards of this devastated area. Some 500 students died in the Government Boys High School in Balakot, where 200 bodies still lie beneath the rubble, locals say. Some 8,000 schools collapsed in the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP), and 2,000 in Pakistan's less-populous Kashmir region. All the schools collapsed in Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, reports the Associated Press.
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Source: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1108/p01s03-wosc.html


Rs 100b a year corruption in Pakistan: minister

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: It has been estimated that corruption costs Pakistan Rs 100 billion a year or five percent of its Gross National Products (GNP), according to Dr Nasim Ashraf, state minister and National Commission for Human Development (NCHD) chairman.

Addressing a meeting at the Woodrow Wilson Centre on Monday, Dr Ashraf said the macro-economic indicators for Pakistan were never as good as they were today.

However, the window of opportunity was a narrow one and would disappear in the next six to eight years, the period Pakistan had to turn things around, he added.
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Source: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-12-2003_pg7_14


General Pervez Musharraf tells the world that he must perpetuate military rule in order to save Pakistan from two scourges: corrupt, money-grubbing politicians and Islamic extremists.
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But one of the key reasons why he is so determined to hold on to power is that the generals like the smell of money just as much as the politicians. As chief of staff of the armed forces, Musharraf presides over a vast industrial, commercial and real estate empire under direct military control with assets and investments of at least $5 billion
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Source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2002/05/10/edsig_ed3_.php


Pakistan has weak trade freedom, financial freedom, property rights, and freedom from corruption. Imports are subject to a high average tariff rate and burdensome non-tariff barriers. The judicial system does not protect property rights effectively because of a serious case backlog, understaffed facilities, and poor overall security. Serious corruption taints the judiciary and civil service, making Pakistan one of the 20 most corrupt nations rated by the Index. Pakistan's financial market, though advanced for the region, is similarly constrained by regulation and bureaucracy.
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Source: http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/country.cfm?id=pakistan


Perhaps the best Help the US can give Pakistan would be to stop supporting Musharaff?
 
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