Red Mosque leader urges surrender

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islamirama said:
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Assalaamu 3alaikum wa rahmatullaah wa Barakaatuh,
Perished are the hands that killed the sheikh and perished are the hands that killed Muslims for no crime except calling to the Path of Allaah and rejecting allegiance to the kuffaar.. Inshaa Alaah the sheikh and those with him died shuhadaa since they died fighting immorality and died at the hands of forces allied with the enemies of Islaam. Also, since his death pleases the kuffaar it most certainly displeases Allaah.
They even use the same language the American and British military uses: "combatants", " foreign militants", " 50 militants have been killed ". Why don't they speak the truth and say that 50 pious Muslims were murdered to please the hypocrite traitor Musharraf and his masters in Washington.

This is premeditated murder and I believe sheikh Rehmatullah Khalil, in the mediation team, who accused Musharraf of sabotaging a draft agreement with the mosque's chief cleric. They were prepared to kill as many as 400 Muslims inside the Masjid (since the army has ordered 400 white shrouds).


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SubhanAllah!! mashAllah...loads of rep for you..mashAllah soooo well said. Im with you. JazakAllah. May Allah reward you loads. I agree with you. :)
 
^..sTr!vEr..^ said:
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SubhanAllah!! mashAllah...loads of rep for you..mashAllah soooo well said. Im with you. JazakAllah. May Allah reward you loads. I agree with you. :)
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A bro name "bahjat" said it, i get his emails with his inputs on news articles that he forwards. I share his sentiments therefore i share them here :)

May Allah give justice to these Muslims oppressed and murdered by the munafiq and his army.
 
islamirama said:
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Assalaamu 3alaikum wa rahmatullaah wa Barakaatuh,
Perished are the hands that killed the sheikh and perished are the hands that killed Muslims for no crime except calling to the Path of Allaah and rejecting allegiance to the kuffaar.. Inshaa Alaah the sheikh and those with him died shuhadaa since they died fighting immorality and died at the hands of forces allied with the enemies of Islaam. Also, since his death pleases the kuffaar it most certainly displeases Allaah.
They even use the same language the American and British military uses: "combatants", " foreign militants", " 50 militants have been killed ". Why don't they speak the truth and say that 50 pious Muslims were murdered to please the hypocrite traitor Musharraf and his masters in Washington.

This is premeditated murder and I believe sheikh Rehmatullah Khalil, in the mediation team, who accused Musharraf of sabotaging a draft agreement with the mosque's chief cleric. They were prepared to kill as many as 400 Muslims inside the Masjid (since the army has ordered 400 white shrouds).


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well, to this kaffir nobody's death makes me happy. i am sad for pakistan - it has a seemingly endless list of problems. don't make assumptions about the kuffar.
you might love the shariah and hate vice - does this give you the right to take things in your own hands and run around trying to violently try to impose it?
 
^..sTr!vEr..^ said:
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Yeah im one of the above mentioned members because when someone goes beyond limits n plannes to kil all the mujahideens n good muslim so that he can continue his wickedness so there is nothing more to pray than his destruction. And we do say this that if hidaayt is fated for him then, its the best otherwise destruction is the only solution ...
And please dear muslims and muslimahs donot believe in media blindly. Media is all time-supporter of pakistani government :cry:
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its funny how all these pple seem to know alot about wht is happening in pakistan when they live on another side of the globe, only getting regulated and propaganda information from their pro government media.

i personaly cant say for certain wht is going on in pakistan, lakin i believe ^..sTr!vEr..^ is in a better position to aquaint us with the true situation of things over there cuz she lives there. he who wears the shoes knows where it hurts.

salams!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
Woodrow said:
Perhaps the best Help the US can give Pakistan would be to stop supporting Musharaff?
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strangely, it is not only religious people who say this. many secular democrats say the same thing.
personally, i don't know.
pakistan has real problems, as you have mentioned. it does not need any more.
 
nevesirth said:
its funny how all these pple seem to know alot about wht is happening in pakistan when they live on another side of the globe, only getting regulated and propaganda information from their pro government media.

i personaly cant say for certain wht is going on in pakistan, lakin i believe ^..sTr!vEr..^ is in a better position to aquaint us with the true situation of things over there cuz she lives there. he who wears the shoes knows where it hurts.

salams!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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trouble is not all pakistanis (or anybody for that matter) think alike. so it depends entirely on the individual you are talking to, what their perspective is.
 
snakelegs said:
trouble is not all pakistanis (or anybody for that matter) think alike. so it depends entirely on the individual you are talking to, what their perspective is.
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as a result of ur geographical location, all u hear is someones version of wht is going on which could be a spinned or embelished version of the reality of the present situation in pakistan, on the other hand, someone who lives in the country will be in a better position to experience whts goin on in the vicinity and thereby make up his or her mind and posses genuine views or perspectives of the situation at hand in contrast with tht being impossed or forced on someone overseas who is not given the previledge of absorbing wht is happening and making up a genuine picture of the events objectively!!!!!!!!!!!
 
the truth is tht the world is at war, and the media is one of the most powerful weapons used. the media if utilised effectively can gain alot of supporters for the policies of the govrnment. so as a result there is hardly anything like transparent reporting these days. the media is just a patriotic tool used to serve the governments interests!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
i agree with your basic premise, but it does depend on who you talk to even then. for example, i know pakistanis who would disagree sharply with what ^..sTr!vEr..^ has posted.
there is no such thing as objectivity. i think best is to listen to people who live there and read a wide range of news sources besides. in the end, it depends on who is looking, what is seen and what is not.
 
nevertheless, i believe the government used excessive and undeserved force in this unfortunate ambush. no matter wht the stance of the cleric was, i feel with a little patience the stand off could have been resolved diplomaticaly through dialogue.

from the outcome of things im forced to believe the government was trying so much to please someone else in order to create the illusion tht they are really a trusted ally in the so called war on terror. its so pathetic how someone or some people can sacrifice the lives of their people just for a mere tap in the back from america. america would never resort to such a despicable act of slaughtering its citizens if it were in this same situation. its high time people got their priorities right!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
i believe the government used excessive and undeserved force in this unfortunate ambush. no matter wht the stance of the cleric was, i feel with a little patience the stand off could have been resolved diplomaticaly through dialogue.
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Ambush? :confused: A little Patience? :confused:
How long should the goverment stand by and allow hostages to be kept. :hiding:
The head guy said he would die before he gave up.
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Well he got his wish.:yawn:
 
Woodrow said:
Perhaps the best Help the US can give Pakistan would be to stop supporting Musharaff?
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The question is, if no Musharraf so who? Most probably we would have islamists' reigns in Pakistan and come back of talibans.
 
wilberhum said:
Ambush? :confused: A little Patience? :confused:
How long should the goverment stand by and allow hostages to be kept. :hiding:
The head guy said he would die before he gave up.
:thumbs_do
Well he got his wish.:yawn:
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see that is just the problem, you are repeating the words they are saying. who? the media and the busharaf regime. I think you would do better to ask someone local of that region of the facts then to rely on your current resources. Lucky for you we have someone in this thread from there...
 
it is true that the u.s. has impinged on pakistan's national sovereignty. of course, it could well be that the reality of disobeying bush's demands would be much worse. who can know what the u.s. is threatening president musharraf and what his options were?
in any case, a country cannot allow people to take the law in their own hands. they would be crushed anywhere, and usually a lot sooner than the people in lal masjid.
 
Aaron85 said:
The question is, if no Musharraf so who? Most probably we would have islamists' reigns in Pakistan and come back of talibans.
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It's a Muslim country, let them have whoever they want. Why is it bothering you? and what you mean come back of talibans, they were never in pakistan to begin with.
 
islamirama said:
It's a Muslim country, let them have whoever they want. Why is it bothering you? and what you mean come back of talibans, they were never in pakistan to begin with.
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the taliban were never in pakistan???????????? where have you been?????
but aside from that - the pakistani people should decide their future.
 
islamirama said:
It's a Muslim country, let them have whoever they want. Why is it bothering you? and what you mean come back of talibans, they were never in pakistan to begin with.
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Well, talibans- afghan students of quaranic schools were indoctrinated in Pakistan. To say honestly i dont care at all who reigns Pakistan , untill the rulers dont support terror nor are terrorists themselves.
 
lets not forget the fact tht violence only leads to more violence. exterminating 50 something humans doesnt spell the end of the conflict, it only calls for more violence and bloodshed. when will we learn tht war is not always the answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
 
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