15 Year Old Child Soldier Held in Guantanamo

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better a sloppy beheading than having dogs eat your genitals for the camera ey?
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
better a sloppy beheading than having dogs eat your genitals for the camera ey?
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...and when was this supposedly to have happened? Oh yes, the pictures of the dog barking at naked guys. Just FYI, but nobody had their genitals eaten. The truth is bad enough without adding drama.
 
Keltoi said:
That being said, I do not support torture. However, my definition of torture is obviously something quite different than many people who are posting on this thread.
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call me naive. i expect better of my country. :(
 
due process. humane treatment. a standard of decency. respect for human rights.
i do not expect torture, human rights violations, shutting people away for years with no charges, "extraordinary renditions", kidnappings, conempt for law etc etc.
we champion human rights abroad - why don't we practice it?
 
Keltoi said:
Yes, I've seen all the available pics of Abu Ghraib abuses. No dogs eating genitalia however...as I said, the truth is bad enough without adding drama.
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pls spare me the sanctimonious bull...I am not in the mood... chapter 12, 14,17, 34, 38, 43, 84 in every international human rights law and Geneva convention laws, united nations laws have all been violated by this admin, but you don't want drama.. what can I say, don't turn on the TV or read newspapers that tell you different, then go burry your head in the sand!...
Don't want to talk about abuse and torture so mild by 'your standards' don't bring it up then..you are bound to read and see things you ain't gonna like!

I would be more than happy discussing a 'non-clean beheading'.. and why you should expect them frequently by random snipers on the streets of baghdad, or anywhere else filth (your 'brave' boys) are sent!!!!

cheers!
 
snakelegs said:
due process. humane treatment. a standard of decency. respect for human rights.
i do not expect torture, human rights violations, shutting people away for years with no charges, "extraordinary renditions", kidnappings, conempt for law etc etc.
we champion human rights abroad - why don't we practice it?
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Okay, fair enough. I actually agree with you for the most part. The question is whether "enemy combatants" can be held without charges the same as other prisoners of war who are actually members of a foreign military. I for one believe they should be, and it appears as if the Supreme Court agrees.

On the issue of human rights abuses, I think the poster child for that is Abu Ghraib. No worthwhile American can look at those photos without feeling sick inside. That is what we want to avoid at all costs. Nothing I have read or seen points to anything like Abu Ghraib at Gitmo. The International Red Cross has access, which wasn't the case at Abu Ghraib.
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
pls spare me the sanctimonious bull...I am not in the mood... chapter 12, 14,17, 34, 38, 43, 84 in every international human rights law and Geneva convention laws, united nations laws have all been violated by this admin, but you don't want drama.. what can I say, don't turn on the TV or read newspapers that tell you different, then go burry your head in the sand!...
Don't want to talk about abuse and torture so mild by 'your standards' don't bring it up then..you are bound to read and see things you ain't gonna like!

I would be more than happy discussing a 'non-clean beheading'.. and why you should expect them frequently by random snipers on the streets of baghdad, or anywhere else filth (your 'brave' boys) are sent!!!!

cheers!
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sanctimonious? You brought up dogs eating genitalia, which didn't happen. You were adding false information to an otherwise horrible situation which didn't require exaggerations to understand the awful reality. There was torture at Abu Ghraib, and nobody is denying that. This thread is about Gitmo and the list of things this guy was supposedly put through. If you want to talk about Abu Ghraib start another thread and I will be happy to denounce it along with everyone else.

As for the rest...it isn't worth a reply.
 
Keltoi said:
sanctimonious? You brought up dogs eating genitalia, which didn't happen. You were adding false information to an otherwise horrible situation which didn't require exaggerations to understand the awful reality. There was torture at Abu Ghraib, and nobody is denying that. This thread is about Gitmo and the list of things this guy was supposedly put through. If you want to talk about Abu Ghraib start another thread and I will be happy to denounce it along with everyone else.

As for the rest...it isn't worth a reply.
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You sir, have no clue of half the travesties that went on there, those which in fact have led to death!! You are certainly no expert on what goes on in gitmo, lest you were a prisoner or a guard...if you are so naïve to believe that you read is the whole truth, you are bound to have a clash of opinions every so often ..

want to discuss gitmo.. perhaps you should stay on gitmo and not derail topics to beheadings, because abu gharib and others less famous barbarities are bound to come up!
Beheadings don't happen just because people felt like raping, murdering and pillaging.. more often than not it is quite deserved.. as you see it fit to keep innocent people w/out a trial, others see it fit to off with some sobs heads!

That is the reality of the world you live in...not worth a reply then by all means ignore it and focus your attention where it might actually indue a point!

peace!
 
islamirama said:
may Allah bring His wrath upon these kuffars and punishment them so severely like never done on any other nation before. Inshallah may they all perish in great agony and torment, the very first of them and the very last of them.

Ameen!
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I can't look at these pictures w/out having my blood absolutely boil. I can't imagine any 'human being' relishing the torture of another in such a manner.. but I believe 'human' is the operative word here and these *******s are less than animals.

what kills me most, is I know they have done the same in women's prisons... and no one is protecting our sisters from within or without..

7asbona Allah wani3ma alwakeel..
our muslims sisters are tortured and raped and we watch and do nothing, when there was a time if someone so much as lifted a woman's skirt a whole army would come to her honor... where are the soldiers of Allah?

:w:
p.s.. I really hate world's affair, wish it would shut down, I can't ever be here w/out getting a massive stress migraine!
 
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PurestAmbrosia said:
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Beheadings don't happen just because people felt like raping, murdering and pillaging.. more often than not it is quite deserved.. as you see it fit to keep innocent people w/out a trial, others see it fit to off with some sobs heads!
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Nice. Your ideological slip is showing, sis.
 
islamirama said:
may Allah bring His wrath upon these kuffars and punishment them so severely like never done on any other nation before. Inshallah may they all perish in great agony and torment, the very first of them and the very last of them.

Ameen!
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Back at you, pal.
 
Cognescenti said:
Nice. Your ideological slip is showing, sis.
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Don't you have a post or two to report?

I ain't your sis..I am befouled just reading your crap so take a hike and stop quoting me, I am sure there is a bar open some where for you to drown your blues!
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
... where are the soldiers of Allah?....
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They are killing each other, chiefly. Taliban sawing off the heads of Afghan policemen. AQI killing Sunni sheiks. Sunnis striking backa at AQI. Sunnis killing Shia. Shia killing Sunni. Saudi AQI suicide bombers killing children, the Kurds etc etc. Hamas killing whoever theya re killign these days. Syrians killing Lebanese politicians. PKK killing Turks. Turks killing the PKK. uggg.
 
Cognescenti said:
They are killing each other, chiefly. Taliban sawing off the heads of Afghan policemen. AQI killing Sunni sheiks. Sunnis striking backa at AQI. Sunnis killing Shia. Shia killing Sunni. Saudi AQI suicide bombers killing children, the Kurds etc etc. Hamas killing whoever theya re killign these days. Syrians killing Lebanese politicians. PKK killing Turks. Turks killing the PKK. uggg.
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too bad with all that harj and marj they missed you... just lucky I guess?

are you lonely or I should rather say unfrequented by any form of life? Can you tell when someone is addressing you or aimed at someone else?

moonshine is free and cheap, and might even increase your chances of being remotely interesting :sunny:
 
PurestAmbrosia said:
Don't you have a post or two to report?

I ain't your sis..I am befouled just reading your crap so take a hike and stop quoting me, I am sure there is a bar open some where for you to drown your blues!
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Must be your headache. I am sorry you don't feel well. Thanks for worrying about me, though. I have half my Christmas shopping done..got rid of the gopher in the front yard..two more days off. I am in a grrat mood, thanks.
 
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