Pork prohibited in the Bible

don532 said:
What do you believe Jesus' fulfillment of the law to be?
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My take was that Jesus beleived he was indeed fullfilling the prophecys of the old testement. He was the King of the jews the annointed one (messiah).
He perhaps got that from his supporters telling him that and perhaps ended up being fully convinced himself.
The messaih was supposed to bring in the armageddon, jesus described what would happen in some detail, and told everyone that before they died, they would see the apocolypse.

When it diddnt happen and he was just killed off, it was up to his followers to make a choice. Lose everything they had beleived in for 4 years or creatively rewrite the whole shebang.
It's hard to drop something they knew was "true", so even though Jesus told them it was all over "It is Finished" as he died, they thought different and wanted to carry it on as far as it would streach.
Its streached quite far so far.Excellent work on their parts.
 
RighteousLady said:
Its does surprised to me because it was rather to follow Paul than Jesus!

It doesn't make sense to me. Jesus is the Messenger of God and the Christians are supposed to follow Jesus, not to follow Paul.
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Paul is said to have received the Holy Spirit on the road to Damascus and was essentially strengthened by God and was the most important figure outside the original disciples. If the New Testament is to be believed then to reject Paul would be to reject all other prophets of god.
 
Azy said:
Paul is said to have received the Holy Spirit on the road to Damascus and was essentially strengthened by God and was the most important figure outside the original disciples. If the New Testament is to be believed then to reject Paul would be to reject all other prophets of god.
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Could you give me the source for that?
 
MustafaMc said:
Greetings, Don532, I haven't heard from you in some time.
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Greetings! Please excuse my lack of manners. I have not posted in some time, but I do stop in occasionally to read. I had some time on my hands, and saw the question about the eating of pork come up and thought I would share the Christian belief. I seem to hear that question on a regular basis in person, and on the internet often.
 
don532 said:
I believe it was sometime after Jesus' crucifixion. Did I answer your question on the Christian belief regarding pork?
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Thanks for your time to answer my questions. Included my question about the pork.

Peace be with you.
 
snakelegs said:
so you are saying that paul decided (against jesus) that the laws could be thrown out in order to make the religion easier/more appealing?
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Paul didn't decide anything "against" Christ, it was a matter of choosing which is more important, the life, death, and Resurrection of Christ as Savior and Redeemer, or focus on dietary laws almost to the point of exclusion of all else. If you think Paul's mission was based on his own ego you would be mistaken. I believe he knew very well he would see a bad end before it was done.

In any event, the breaking of dietary law is pretty far down the totem pole of sin. I'm sure Paul, using a line of thought I agree with, felt that the need to spread the Gospel of Christ and His promise of salvation was a bit more important than stopping the Romans from eating bacon.
 
i don't know enough to even have an opinion about paul's mission. still, my impression remains that christians follow paul more than jesus' teachings, which from what little i've read, don't seem to be in stark contradiction to jewish teachings of the time. (could well be that i haven't read enough)
i agree, dietary laws would be pretty low ranking on a sin list and i don't think they were ever ranked high as major sins, even in jewish law.
now i think i will close my mouth on the subject as i haven't read the NT and don't really know what i'm talking about for sure.
enjoy your pork! :)
 
The central teaching of Christianity is: Peace and Love.

It is not: Peace and Love and don’t eat pork.

It is not: Peace and Love and face north to pray.

It is not: Peace and Love and don’t drink Coke

Christianity is about Peace and Love. It is not about a series of strict rules.

If the act goes against Peace and Love then the act is against Christianity.

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don532 said:
Who was the Old Testament written to? - the Jews, God's chosen people. God never said: Now go tell the Gentiles to practice the same dietary laws and make animal sacrifices for their sins.

You might try reading the New Testament. You'll see that passage is a part of a larger chapter.
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actually, in the time after Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] ascended into heaven, those following "the Way" were considered a sect of Judaism as they used to go to Synagogue on Saturday and worship with other Jews. as such they would read from The Torah and Tanakh, they DID NOT HAVE a "New Testament" to read from! Yes, it's understood that Paul changed EVERYTHING, but there are NO writings in existence that pre-date Paul so from an outside perspective your "New Testament" is for a Pauline Religion and NOT one based upon the teachings of Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam]; therefore we cannot know if this:

God never said: Now go tell the Gentiles to practice the same dietary laws and make animal sacrifices for their sins.
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is true unless we accept Paul as the primary prophet of "Christianity"; unless Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] is quoted somewhere saying "this is the Rock Paul, and upon this Rock I will build my church!" it's doesn't sound logical for Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] to claim that Peter will be the head of the church only to have Paul change EVERYTHING, Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] could have simply said that Peter is in charge until Paul gets here, but he didn't...
 
YusufNoor said:
actually, in the time after Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] ascended into heaven, those following "the Way" were considered a sect of Judaism as they used to go to Synagogue on Saturday and worship with other Jews. as such they would read from The Torah and Tanakh, they DID NOT HAVE a "New Testament" to read from! Yes, it's understood that Paul changed EVERYTHING, but there are NO writings in existence that pre-date Paul so from an outside perspective your "New Testament" is for a Pauline Religion and NOT one based upon the teachings of Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam]; therefore we cannot know if this:



is true unless we accept Paul as the primary prophet of "Christianity"; unless Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] is quoted somewhere saying "this is the Rock Paul, and upon this Rock I will build my church!" it's doesn't sound logical for Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] to claim that Peter will be the head of the church only to have Paul change EVERYTHING, Jesus/Isa ibn Marriam[Alayhe Salaam] could have simply said that Peter is in charge until Paul gets here, but he didn't...
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I would be a little surprised if you hadn't heard it before, but the Christian belief is that the above is a misinterpretation of the conversation Jesus had with Peter. Jesus wasn't talking about making Peter head of the church.

From Matthew 16:
16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

17Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter,[c] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades[d] will not overcome it.[e] 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be[f] bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[g] loosed in heaven." 20Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.
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You are Christ, the Son of the Living God. That is the rock Jesus said he would build his church on. Not Peter personally, or his leadership.

After Christ's death, the apostles and the disciples went about building the church because they were commanded to.

from Matthew 28:
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
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Sure some may have gone to synagogue. But these churches Paul wrote his letters to had to exist before Paul wrote his letters. We have also never found any writings that any of the other apostles called Paul out on false teachings.

Look, the lady had a question about why Christians eat pork. I answered the question. I know as a muslim you think Christianity is a creation of Paul and the real gospel of Jesus is lost, Jesus was only a prophet, someone else was on the cross, etc. I'm sure you have plenty of verses from the Koran to back up your belief. I'm also sure the subject of Paul has been debated here many times before. I'm not interested in repeating it.
 
snakelegs said:
is paul considered a prophet?
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Yeah like don said he's always called an apostle. I wasn't saying that he necessarily was a prophet, but since he was instructed by Christ to carry God's message and was fortified by God in order to do so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to dismiss him unless you were going to dismiss everyone else who has been claimed to act under the will of God.
 
Azy said:
Yeah like don said he's always called an apostle. I wasn't saying that he necessarily was a prophet, but since he was instructed by Christ to carry God's message and was fortified by God in order to do so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to dismiss him unless you were going to dismiss everyone else who has been claimed to act under the will of God.
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true.... for a christian.
 

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