Things in Islam I am curious about...

[al.Ghurabaa']

I'm glad this was brought up again, as I wanted to address this. Why does the Quran prohibit Muslims from listening to music when music is in fact inspired by an almighty God? Pianos, violins, trumpets, you name it, God inspired it. Music was heard in heaven long before God inspired the first human being to create an instrument. So why is this forbidden in the Quran? I can see a Muslim (or even just a Christian) not listening to musical genres like hip hop, R & B, rap music, rock n' roll, but listening to musical genres like classical or (from a Christian perspective) Gospel music that praises God seems far more than a stretch to me.

Could you provide a verse from the Qur'an or a hadith that states that music was heard in Heaven...and that it was inspired by God?

Many Thanks

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

.....C have confession of sin to a priest where they state to the priest, "Father forgive me for I have sinned"

It reminds me of a question ... that will be off topic here..ok...InshaAllah I am going to post in the related thread.

 

[mkh4JC]

Could you provide a verse from the Qur'an or a hadith that states that music was heard in Heaven...and that it was inspired by God?

Many Thanks

I haven't read the Quran all the way through, but I was basically framing my response from what I know to be true of the God of the Bible. And I'm sure that music was present in heaven long before God inspired it through humans.

 

[mkh4JC]

To further go along with that, I found this link comparing the eschatological differences between Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. It's concerning the judgement announced with a trumpet:

Qu'ran 36:51 "And the trumpet shall be blown, and, lo! they shall speed out of their sepulchres to their Lord:"

http://contenderministries.org/prophecy/eschatology.php

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

.... I was basically framing my response from what I know to be true of the God of the Bible. .

Are you referring to Psalm ? I read/ heard that Prophet David / Dawud (p) used to recite the holy book in a beautiful voice .

Quran has a verse about his reciting but most probably that was without musical instrument. otherwise why so debate about listening to music ?

 

[Brother_Mujahid]

Thank-you for the link. So, from what I read you probably meant to say only that the scholars are inheritors of [the knowledge of] the Prophet, and not that they are inheritors of prophethood -- there is a significant difference. Would that be fair to your position?

"...the scholars are the inheritors of the prophets.."

Must you confirm everything with what people say/mean

 

[mkh4JC]

Salaam/peace;



Are you referring to Psalm ? I read/ heard that Prophet David / Dawud (p) used to recite the holy book in a beautiful voice .

Quran has a verse about his reciting but most probably that was without musical instrument. otherwise why so debate about listening to music ?

From what I understand, David was a musician. But I was just trying to understand why the Quran would prohibit listening to music when a trumpet would be blown to announce the judgment of man, according to the Quran, so thus music is in heaven, again according to the Quran.

 

[Grace Seeker]

"...the scholars are the inheritors of the prophets.."

Must you confirm everything with what people say/mean

Sure, because I find that when I don't sometimes I think people mean one thing and in fact they mean something else. If I take exception to what someone has said, I want to be sure that I am taking exception to what they really wanted to say and for me to understand that they were saying, as opposed to simply what I misunderstood them to say.


For instance, I think this would be a good practice for those who misquote or misinterpret Biblical passages and then object to the God of the Bible because it is supposed to present a picture of God that they can't accept, when the reality is that the God they can't accept often isn't the God that the Bible actually portrays at all. But as they never check to see if they understood properly, they just attack and attack again, creating strawman after strawman in the process, when there really is no purpose for doing so.

In this thread, I'm trying to learn what Muslims actually believe. While I think that some of these things are silly it is important that I actually find out if that is what people mean. Some of the early responders to this thread said that music was wrong. Well, in my mind such a general all encompassing state would be inclusive of all forms of music. But I have later learned they only meant instrumental music. By asking questions of clarification, I learned that they actually meant something different than what they said, and on continued probing I learned that the didn't even mean all instruments, because instruments like a duff are not prohibited. These are rather important nuances. At least I think so.

Imagine saying on the one hand the all music is haraam, and then still have the Adan ring out to call people to prayer. By all definitions of music that I know (and my wife was a music major, so I am rather familiar with them), the adam would qualify as music. But clarifying that prohibitions against music are not directed against use of the voice, but only instrumental music, then helps one to realize that it would be wrong to accuse obedient Muslims of hypocrisy on that point. So, that is why I try to remember to confirm what people have said as much as possible.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

... music is in heaven, .

I am not sure about this : music is in heaven. Trumpet would be blown & listening to music with various instruments here ----how these are same with music is in heaven ?



Some things are not allowed in this world but will be allowed in heaven such as alcohol. In heaven , there will be no harm from alcohol.

May be , listening to song with music in this world is not that good for us ( btw I listen to songs :-[ mainly nasheeds ) ....it may distract our attention from worship , reading good books etc etc . In heaven , if there will be music , surely that won't harm us in any way.

 

[Brother_Mujahid]

Thank you Grace seeker for your in depth answer was much appreciated.

I know this was your thread to ask muslims what you wanted.. but seeming that i don't and i do. ill take this opportunity to ask a few of my own if you would not mind. (im sure you wouldn't )

For instance, I think this would be a good practice for those who misquote or misinterpret Biblical passages and then object to the God of the Bible because it is supposed to present a picture of God that they can't accept,

The God of the Quran is for all humanity and not just the god of the quran and its followers, infact the god of the quran is the very same god you refer to as the god of the bible.

So why then so you object?

when the reality is that the God they can't accept often isn't the God that the Bible actually portrays at all. But as they never check to see if they understood properly, they just attack and attack again, creating strawman after strawman in the process, when there really is no purpose for doing so.

I've spoken to a few christians and when they have questions and ask to the people of knowledge e.g priests at church they are taught/told to accept certain things as part of faith. Doesn't this just cause confusion and doubt?

Many reverts to islam often find even simple questions from their previous ways are left unanswered yet they find the very answers with the muslims.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;


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[mkh4JC]

The God of the Quran is for all humanity and not just the god of the quran and its followers, infact the god of the quran is the very same god you refer to as the god of the bible.

So why then so you object?

I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Quran yet, but I don't understand how you feel this is true when the Quran contradicts what is in the Bible. If the two books were indeed inspired by the same God, shouldn't they harmonize with one another insead of contradict?

 

[gang4]

I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Quran yet, but I don't understand how you feel this is true when the Quran contradicts what is in the Bible. If the two books were indeed inspired by the same God, shouldn't they harmonize with one another insead of contradict?

They won't contradicts if there was no tampering done by men...

In Al-Qur'an youll find the promise of God to preserve His Message so Al-Qur'an will not change and it has not for the last 1400 years...

DO you have similararity like this in the bible?

if you refering to the Words of God will not change....
I believe can have two meaning...

* The whole words in the book(s) will not change
* the words in the book(s) will not change...

what's the difference...


"This is my wording for sample"

"This is my wording for sample. I can add more words in this paragraph"

The first line, for sure does not change on the second line....but it doesn't mean it's free from tampering....(red letter bible shows which words are spoken by jesus (.a.s) according to your scholar)

There are some similarities found in bible for example: to remember God or mention God's name in the early day(Early Dawn) and in the late afternoon

...These are words of God in bible...

And many videos/debates etc found in tube... i am sure you know this...

 

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[mkh4JC]

They won't contradicts if there was no tampering done by men...

In Al-Qur'an youll find the promise of God to preserve His Message so Al-Qur'an will not change and it has not for the last 1400 years...

DO you have similararity like this in the bible?

if you refering to the Words of God will not change....
I believe can have two meaning...

* The whole words in the book(s) will not change
* the words in the book(s) will not change...

what's the difference...


"This is my wording for sample"

"This is my wording for sample. I can add more words in this paragraph"

The first line, for sure does not change on the second line....but it doesn't mean it's free from tampering....(red letter bible shows which words are spoken by jesus (.a.s) according to your scholar)

There are some similarities found in bible for example: to remember God or mention God's name in the early day(Early Dawn) and in the late afternoon ...These are words of God in bible...

And many videos/debates etc found in tube... i am sure you know this...[/

Concerning the first part, Jesus said in the New Testament that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dotted i or crossed t to be changed from the law or something. I can't be sure, but it is something to that effect. That may or may not be the same thing, but I'm sure translating from different languages doesn't prevent that from being true.

Concerning the last bolded part, no, I have never heard that before. Though I have heard similar claims by proponents of Islam on other Islamic sites. I won't follow up what I think of the Islamic belief that the Old and New Testaments are corrupted, since I seem to be hijacking the thread.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

... Quran contradicts what is in the Bible.

Similarities between Quran & Bible :


God is One

Don't worship anyone except/ besides God.


God will punish if you worship any false gods etc etc.


wonderful similarities , right ? :statisfie

 

[MustafaMc]

infact the god of the quran is the very same god you refer to as the god of the bible

I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Quran yet, but I don't understand how you feel this is true when the Quran contradicts what is in the Bible.

I am sorry for posting off-topic, but I can't let this slide.

I completely agree with Brother Muhajid that there is but One God.
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God (Jehovah) in the OT:

Genesis 26:24 And Jehovah appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father. Fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.

Exodus 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
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God (Father) in the NT:

Matthew 22:29-32 But Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not [the God] of the dead, but of the living.

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Servant Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied before the face of Pilate, when he had determined to release him.
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God (Allah) in the Qur'an:

Qur'an 112:1-4 Say: He is Allah the One and Only; Allah is the Self-Sufficient (independent of all, while all are dependent on Him); He begets not, nor is He begotten; And there is none comparable to Him.

Qur'an 2:139-140 Say, O Muhammad: "Would you dispute with us concerning Allah, who is our Lord and your Lord as well? We shall be accountable to Him for our deeds and you for yours; to Him alone we are devoted. Do you claim that Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob) and their descendants were all Jews or Christians? Are you more knowledgeable than Allah?" Who is more wicked than the one who hides the testimony he has received from Allah? Allah is not unaware of what you do.

Qur'an 4:172 The Messiah (Jesus) never disdained to be the worshipper of Allah nor do the angels who are nearest to Allah. Whosoever disdains His worship and is arrogant will be brought before Him all together.

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I adamantly contend that Jehovah, the Father, and Allah is none other, but the One God - the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate, the Creator and Sustainer of the universe.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I'll admit that I haven't read all of the Quran yet, but I don't understand how you feel this is true when the Quran contradicts what is in the Bible. If the two books were indeed inspired by the same God, shouldn't they harmonize with one another insead of contradict?

I am sorry for posting off-topic, but I can't let this slide.

I completely agree with Brother Muhajid that there is but One God.

And I also agree with the statement that there is but one God. I'll even go so far as to say that I think that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all attempt to worship the very same God who we might collectively call the God of Abraham.

But I have to stop there. Brother Muhajid's statemenet was made in response to my comment:

Originally Posted by Grace Seeker
For instance, I think this would be a good practice for those who misquote or misinterpret Biblical passages and then object to the God of the Bible because it is supposed to present a picture of God that they can't accept,

Whether you accept that there is misquoting and misinterpretation going on or not, clearly the attributes that these three religions present of God are not the same. We may each claim to worship the One God, but the pictures we paint of that God are radically different. Arguing over which is true seems to be a waste of time, we each think our own view is correct and for me to quote the Bible at a Muslim to prove my point or for a Muslim to quote the Quran at me to make his/her point seems about like a child claiming my daddy is better than your daddy. Of course we each think that ours is the best, but making those claims proves nothing to no one.

Much better I think to try to understand where the other is coming from. And it is for this reason that I said what I said about the misquoting (or at least the misinterpretations) of scripture.

For instance: In another thread a Muslim has been trying to make the case to me that the God of the Bible is a lesser god than Allah because the god of the Bible has to rest. And then he cites the story of creation in Genesis where, in the English translation he cited, God rests on the seventh day. In this case he isn't misquoting, but he is not properly understanding that passage either if he thinks it is really about God needing to rest as in taking a nap. The need to rest is NOT an attribute of the God of the Bible any more than it is of Allah. That view comes from a complete misunderstanding of what the text was actually saying. But rather than simply accept correction on that he wanted to argue with me that he knew what the word "rest" meant, is if that had anything to do with understanding a passage that had been translated out of another language into English. Likewise, many Muslims think that Christians ascribe partners to God or have multiplicity of gods, yet again that does not reflect the Christian understanding of our beliefs. Such statements are in fact just the creation of strawmen. They do nothing to compare the Christian understanding of God with the Muslim understanding of Allah when they in fact do not correct represent the Christian understanding of God to begin with. A Muslim can say that Christians believe so and so all they want, but saying it does not make it true, and quoting the Qur'an against something the Christians do not believe doesn't make it more true. To critique the Christian faith one must first acurately portray the Christian faith.

Now, I have been asked why do I continually seek clarification and feedback to ascertain if I have understood an answer correctly. It is because if I critique Islam, I want to be sure it is actually Islam I am critiquing. I have no desire to critique some distorted view of Islam that no Muslims actually believe. Yet, it seems that many Muslims do in fact like to get out their cut and paste machines finding some lecture that purports to destory the Christian faith with a 101 questions of the Bible or a treatise on why so many versions, as if they have found something really damaging. In reality they are attacking strawmen as surely as if I was to attack Islam on the grounds that Jihad is all about flying airplanes into buildings or that Muhammad slept with a 9 year old girl I've proved him a false prophet.

Of course ignorant people of all backgrounds will continue to pursue such red herrings and ad hominum arguments, but why would others who are not so ignorant?

Why do Muslims who don't even accept the Bible as true, continue to use the Bible to attempt to authenticate the Qur'an?

Why do Muslims that read the Bible insist on doubting its veracity despite the plethora of extant ancient copies and cooberating manuscripts from the first couple of centuries of the Christians era, yet seem to have no problem accepting a book like the supposed Gospel of Barnabas which can't be traced back any further than the 1300s?

And why would a person misquote or misinterpret the Bible and then assert that based on such a falsified passage they can show that the God of Christianity is flawed? Duh, of course a god portrayed by a flawed understanding of the scriptures is going to be a flawed god, nothing insightful about that.

And why do I find these patterns repeated over and over and over again on this board?

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/peace;

did not read the whole post ...this line came in to attention.

....Muhammad slept with a 9 year old girl I've proved him a false prophet.

I asked this question to many Jews ( including Rabbis ) & Christians --what is the minimum age of marriage for women regarding their holy books ? Ans was --no minimum age is mentioned.

So , after puberty , if a marriage of a woman takes place with the permission of her & her parents , it's a legal marriage regarding all major holy books.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Salaam/peace;

did not read the whole post ...this line came in to attention.

You should have at least read the whole sentence.

Now, I have been asked why do I continually seek clarification and feedback to ascertain if I have understood an answer correctly. It is because if I critique Islam, I want to be sure it is actually Islam I am critiquing. I have no desire to critique some distorted view of Islam that no Muslims actually believe. Yet, it seems that many Muslims do in fact like to get out their cut and paste machines finding some lecture that purports to destory the Christian faith with a 101 questions of the Bible or a treatise on why so many versions, as if they have found something really damaging. In reality they [those Muslims who distort the Christian scripture or theology prior to critiquing them] are attacking strawmen as surely as if I was to attack Islam on the grounds that Jihad is all about flying airplanes into buildings or that Muhammad slept with a 9 year old girl I've proved him a false prophet.

Of course ignorant people of all backgrounds will continue to pursue such red herrings and ad hominum arguments, but why would others who are not so ignorant?