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All Praise be to Allah. We praise Him, ask for His Help and repent to Him. We seek Allah’s protection from the evils of our souls and the bad of our deeds. Whomever Allah guides will never be misguided and whomever Allah misguides will never be guided. I testify that there is no deity but Allah, with Whom thee is no associate. I testify that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger. May Allah bless him, his family, his Companions and those who follow them until the Day of Resurrection.
Koran 45:3. Verily in the heavens and the earth, are Signs for those who believe. 4. And in the creation of yourselves and the fact that animals are scattered through the earth, are Signs for those of assured Faith.
Some people do not believe in the existence of a Creator. They think that the Evolution Theory is a fact and that science supports it, while in reality this is not the case. Hundreds of thousands scientists are against the Evolution Theory because its not proven and it goes against the scientific facts. That's why its called a theory. When we were, in kindergarten theytaught us that a frog, turning into a prince was a nurseryfairytale, but when we got to college they toldus that a, frog turning into a prince was science!' We will proof them with one singel cell, that there is a Almighty Creator Insha'Allah.
Your body contains more than 100.000.000.000.000 cells, some so small that 1.000.000 of them brought together would fit on the tip of a needle. Despite this tiny size, however, the cell is considered by the scientific community as the most complex structure man has ever come across. W. H. Thorpe, an evolutionist scientist, acknowledges that, 'The most elementary type of cell constitutes a 'mechanism' unimaginably more complex than any machine yet thought up, let alone constructed, by man'. [W. R. Bird, The Origin of Species Revisited, Thomas Nelson, p. 298 and 299].
Koran 13:16. Say, 'Allah is the Creator of all things, He is the One, the Supreme and Irresistible'.
Is it possible?
Robert Shapiro, a professor of chemistry at New York University and a DNA expert, calculated the probability of the coincidental formation of the 2000 types of proteins found in a single bacterium [There are 200,000 different types of proteins in a human cell]. The number that was found was 1 over 10/40000. [Robert Shapiro, Origins, A Sceptics Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, New York, Summit Books, 1986. p.127]. This is an incredible number obtained by putting 40,000 zeros after the 1!
So many attempts would fail to create a singel bacterium and only 1 attempt would succeed. A one followed by six zeros is a million, look at the numbers above! Subhan'Allah! This is nothing compared to what you will read now. Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist, gave a far more realistic 'Probability' for a single bacterium. He calculated the odds of a single bacterium emerging from the basic building blocks necessary were 1 chance in 10/100.000.000.000. [Cited in Mark Eastman, Chuck Missler, The Creator Beyond Time and Space, Costa Mesa, CATWFT, 1996, Page 61]. This is a 1 followed by 100.000.000.000 zeros! This number is so large it would require a library of approximately 100,000 books just to write it out! Allahu Akbar! Wallahie tell me, how can someone reject Allah after reading this?
Koran 7:40. To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle, Such is Our reward for those in sin.
Emile Borel said, 'If anything is ten to the 50th power [A 1 followed by 50 Zeros] or less chance, it will never happen, even cosmically, in the whole universe'. [Emile Borel, Nobel Prize Winner, Probabilities and Life. New York Dover 1962. Ch. 1 to 3]. So what about 100.000.000.000 zeros? And again, this whas nothing compared to what you are going to read now.
The science of probability has not been favorable to evolutionary theory, even with the theory's loose time restraints. Dr. James Coppedge, of the Center for Probability Research in Biology in California, made some amazing calculations. Dr. Coppedge applied all the laws of probability studies to the possibility of a single cell coming into existence by chance. He considered in the same way a single protein molecule, and even a single gene. His discoveries are revolutionary. He computed a world in which the entire crust of the earth - all the oceans, all the atoms, and the whole crust were available. He then had these amino acids bind at a rate one and one half trillion times faster than they do in nature. In computing the possibilities, he found that to provide a single protein molecule by chance combination would take 10, to the 262nd power, years'. That is, the number 1 followed by 262 zeros.
'To get a single cell - the single smallest living cell known to mankind - which is called the mycroplasm hominis H39, would take 10, to the 119,841st power, years. That means that if you took thin pieces of paper and wrote 1 and then wrote zeros after it, you would fill up the entire known universe with paper before you could ever even write that number. That is how many years it would take to make one living cell, smaller than any human cell!' Subhan Allah! Look at how clear Islam is and how dark the way is that the atheists follow.
The reason they reject Allah is not because they don't know. They do known, and the reason is that they don't want to believe. They don't want to believe in God, and they take the devils as their friends. Those devils misguid them and still they think that they are on the truth. Look at those numbers, how can someone reject the Almighty Creator? Allah has allways been there and He is not created. Allah made the truth like the day and falsehood like the dark night. Even a blind man can see the straight path of Islam.
Koran 6:39. Those who reject our sings are deaf and dumb, in the midst of darkness profound. Whom Allah willeth, He leaveth to wander. Whom He willeth, He placeth on the way that is straight. Koran 8:23. If Allah had found in them any good, He would indeed have made them listen. As it is, if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined Faith.
According to Emile Borel, an expert in the area of probability, an event on the cosmic level with a probability of less than 1 out of 10, to the 50th power, will not happen. The probability of producing one human cell by chance is 10, to the 119,000 power. Sir Fred Hoyle, a mathematician and astronomer, was quoted in Nature magazine, November 12, 1981, as saying, 'The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way (Evolution) is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein'.
Some people reading these lines who have so far accepted the theory of evolution as a scientific explanation may suspect that these numbers are exaggerated and do not reflect the true facts. That is not the case, these are definite and concrete facts. No evolutionist can object to these numbers. They accept that the probability of the coincidental formation of a single protein is as unlikely as the possibility of a monkey writing the history of humanity on a typewriter without making any mistakes'. [Inheritance and Evolution, Meteksan Publishing 1984, p. 64].
Hugh Ross estimates that the chances of ONE planet in the universe developing life is one in ten to the 282nd power (million trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion).
Now let us look at molecules. A single drop of blood has 35,000,000 red blood cells. A single red blood cell has 280,000,000 hemoglobin molecules, each molecule having 10,000 atoms. Molecules are so small that ¼ teaspoon of water has 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 of them. De Nouy provides another illustration for arriving at a single molecule of high dissymmetry through chance action and normal thermic agitation. He assumes 500 trillion shakings per second plus a liquid material volume equal to the size of the earth. For one molecule it would require '10/243 billions of years'. [A 1 followed by 243 zeros]. Even if this molecule did somehow arise by chance, it is still only one single molecule. Hundreds of millions are needed, requiring compound probability calculations for each successive molecule. His logical conclusion is that 'It is totally impossible to account scientifically for all phenomena pertaining to life'. [Cited in Evan Shute, Flaws in the Theory of Evolution Nutley, NJ Craig Press, 1971, Page 23].
This was only a bacterium, what about the Great Creation of the heavens and the earth? This means that it is not possible for the cell to have come into being by coincidence, and therefore it must definitely have been created. In the Creation of God are Signs, for people of understanding. Look at your eyes, nose, fingers, ears, lips etc. Who created this? You cannot live more than a few minuts, without your nose. This is enough proof, to bury Darwin with his monkey theory under the ground.
Conclusion
This is suficient prove that God does exist, because not even an atom can come into being by chance. So who Created it? The only answer is Allah, the Almighty Creator of the heavens and the earth. There is no doubt about this. Since God cannot be a monkey, an idol made of sand, a blue elephant flying on a carpet with 9 hands, a prophet who used to eat and go to toilet, a ghost etc (Astagfirullah) therefore Allah must be the Creator of everything. All books who claimed to be a revelation from God, are full of errors and contradictions today, except the Qur'an. This is enoug proof that it must be a revelation from God. The Bible for example is full of errors and contradictions.
The Christians don't even know who wrote those books. There are hundreds of versions of the Bible, each one is different. So how do we know which ons is the right one? Secondly they don't even know their God. Some of them say that Jesus was God, others reject that. Some of them say Maria was the mother of God, and other Christians reject that. Some say the Holy Ghost is God, and others reject it. Some say Jesus died on the cross, other say on a tree etc. So how do we know who is speaking the truth? Each one of them has his own proofs because each one has a different Bible. The book of the Muslims is one and our God is one and our prophet was one.
There can be only one God, because God is the strongest. There cannot be 2 or 3 strongest. So if another being is stronger than you, then you cannot be God. This is what Islam teaches, and this is the truth, accept Islam and all your sins will fall away from the day you accept Islam. You will be born again like a baby, without sins. Don't die, except as a Muslim.
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Interesting thoughts. But, that we were monkeys is not proven is so true, no one who understands evolution would suggest that we were monkeys. But there is a lot of evidence to indicate that we evolved from earlier primates. You know the fossils that are found, not a single one proofs the evolution theory, but there is no other logical, not theist explanation. Why would god provide millions of misleading pieces of evidence? If we could prove the existence of god, that would render no proof of Adam and Eve. In fact Adam and Eve could have existed even if god doesn’t.
Battle_4_Peace, Interesting thoughts. But, that we were monkeys is not proven is so true, no one who understands evolution would suggest that we were monkeys. But there is a lot of evidence to indicate that we evolved from earlier primates. You know the fossils that are found, not a single one proofs the evolution theory, but there is no other logical, not theist explanation. Why would god provide millions of misleading pieces of evidence? If we could prove the existence of god, that would render no proof of Adam and Eve. In fact Adam and Eve could have existed even if god doesn’t.
Why Allah provided misleading pieces of evidence, i don't know. You have to ask Allah about that hehe. Maybe to test the people? Actualy, its not misleading. If they could use it, they would surely have done it. Till today, Evolution is called a theory. We Muslims do not follow theories, we follow facts Alhamdolillah. But nobody can say to us anymore, that we are on earth by chance. Somebody must have created all this. This website of Harun Yahya, may Allah guide him, refutes Darwinism completely: http://www.living-fossils.com/
Why Allah provided misleading pieces of evidence, i don't know. You have to ask Allah about that hehe. Maybe to test the people? Actualy, its not misleading. If they could use it, they would surely have done it. Till today, Evolution is called a theory. We Muslims do not follow theories, we follow facts Alhamdolillah. But nobody can say to us anymore, that we are on earth by chance. Somebody must have created all this. This website of Harun Yahya, may Allah guide him, refutes Darwinism completely: http://www.living-fossils.com/
are you sure the shaytaan didnt provide the misleading evidences which Allah allowed?
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Are you sure the shaytaan didnt provide the misleading evidences which Allah allowed?
Koran 39:62.God is the creator of all things, and He is the guarantor of all things.
Allah created all things, Shajtan cannot create primates or humans. So how can Shajtan provide false evidence? The Shajtaan can mislead those poeple and he can let them think that we were monkeys, but Shajtaan cannot create primates to mislead them
Koran 39:62.God is the creator of all things, and He is the guarantor of all things.
Allah created all things, Shajtan cannot create primates or humans. So how can Shajtan provide false evidence? The Shajtaan can mislead those poeple and he can let them think that we were monkeys, but Shajtaan cannot create primates to mislead them
jazakAllah khair barakallah feekum wise akhee
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My tears testify that i have a heart
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Some people do not believe in the existence of a Creator.
True - e.g. me!
They think that the Evolution Theory is a fact and that science supports it, while in reality this is not the case. Hundreds of thousands scientists are against the Evolution Theory because its not proven and it goes against the scientific facts. That's why its called a theory.
Well, how scientific! The author clearly doesn't know what a theory is, and probably doesn't know very much about science either.
Despite this tiny size, however, the cell is considered by the scientific community as the most complex structure man has ever come across.
No, that would be the human brain.
Is it possible?
Robert Shapiro, a professor of chemistry at New York University and a DNA expert, calculated the probability of the coincidental formation of the 2000 types of proteins found in a single bacterium [There are 200,000 different types of proteins in a human cell]. The number that was found was 1 over 10/40000. [Robert Shapiro, Origins, A Sceptics Guide to the Creation of Life on Earth, New York, Summit Books, 1986. p.127]. This is an incredible number obtained by putting 40,000 zeros after the 1!
Right, and it's a figure that ultimately says nothing about the nature of reality. It's an estimate, one man's guess.
>What on Earth was the point of all those 9s? Was that some sort of lame effort to make the article look vaguely scientific?<
So many attempts would fail to create a singel bacterium and only 1 attempt would succeed. A one followed by six zeros is a million, look at the numbers above! Subhan'Allah!
These are numbers plucked from the air, to which I would say "so what?"
This is nothing compared to what you will read now. Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist, gave a far more realistic 'Probability' for a single bacterium. He calculated the odds of a single bacterium emerging from the basic building blocks necessary were 1 chance in 10/100.000.000.000. [Cited in Mark Eastman, Chuck Missler, The Creator Beyond Time and Space, Costa Mesa, CATWFT, 1996, Page 61]. This is a 1 followed by 100.000.000.000 zeros! This number is so large it would require a library of approximately 100,000 books just to write it out! Allahu Akbar! Wallahie tell me, how can someone reject Allah after reading this?
Someone who understands elementary mathematics could do it quite easily. Again, we're talking about an estimate, as the Professor who made it would tell you if he were given the chance to speak for himself.
'To get a single cell - the single smallest living cell known to mankind - which is called the mycroplasm hominis H39, would take 10, to the 119,841st power, years. That means that if you took thin pieces of paper and wrote 1 and then wrote zeros after it, you would fill up the entire known universe with paper before you could ever even write that number. That is how many years it would take to make one living cell, smaller than any human cell!' Subhan Allah! Look at how clear Islam is and how dark the way is that the atheists follow.
What is the connection between the last two sentences of that paragraph and what precedes them?
The reason they reject Allah is not because they don't know. They do known, and the reason is that they don't want to believe.
Now we get to the interesting stuff. So far, the author has used quotes from scientists in ways that they most likely wouldn't approve of; now the author is actually giving us his own "arguments".
I wonder what he's talking about though. What is it that atheists "known"?
They don't want to believe in God, and they take the devils as their friends. Those devils misguid them and still they think that they are on the truth.
I can assure you, I do not fraternise with devils. What planet is this guy on?
Look at those numbers, how can someone reject the Almighty Creator?
I'm not sure whether it's funny or pathetic that this writer thinks he's found a mathematical proof for the existence of god.
Some people reading these lines who have so far accepted the theory of evolution as a scientific explanation may suspect that these numbers are exaggerated and do not reflect the true facts. That is not the case, these are definite and concrete facts.
That's the funniest part so far!
As any of the scientists quoted would tell you, these estimates are not facts, by any stretch of the imagination.
No evolutionist can object to these numbers.
I'd be amazed to find an evolutionist reading this article who didn't laugh at it and call it utterly worthless.
'It is totally impossible to account scientifically for all phenomena pertaining to life'. [Cited in Evan Shute, Flaws in the Theory of Evolution Nutley, NJ Craig Press, 1971, Page 23].
This is true, but it's taken completely out of context and made to serve a purpose which its original author wouldn't have intended.
By the end of the article, the author is just gibbering inanities, which are hardly worth repeating. I'd be amazed if any non-Muslim was convinced by this unbelievably witless piece of writing.
Thanks for posting it, though. I haven't laughed so much in ages!
Let me show you some signs of a perfect disign, that cannot come by chance.
Don't those pictures actually give great examples of how well-adapted those creatures are? A process, incidentally, which has little to do with chance.
Evalution has been proven wrong by scientist who wanted to prove it right. Czgibson tell me what you think of this movie, cuz i really want your answer.
This man is an atheist. Let us debate him and let me show you how logical he is. firstly, the odds i gave you are facts. Non of your Darwinists can say anything about it. They have accepted it. Fill the state of Texas with silver dollars two feet deep (wonder how that feels?). Having only one dollar marked with the letter X, ask a blind man to find the marked dollar with one try. He would have one chance out of 10^17 chances to find it, (one with 17 zeros behind it). Now imagine the odds for forming a simple cell, one with 40,000 zeros? You would have to fill an area the size of our sun with quarters and find one with the mark while being blindfolded, and on just the first try! This is what he believes haha
Well, how scientific! The author clearly doesn't know what a theory is, and probably doesn't know very much about science either.
You don't even know the basics of science. Scientists and even the Evolutionists accepted that 1 cell is more complex than New York City. What are the odds of you winning the lottery every week for 80 years straight without missing once? The chances are 1 chance in 10^22,120, (a one followed by 29,120 zeros behind it). What are the chances of one thousand men putting the Rubic's cube together on the first try all at the same time? What about the classic analogy of six monkeys typing at a typewriter and producing a Sonnet of Shakespeare. Well, the odds for these are better that the odds for the evolutionists’ one "simple" cell being created by blind chance. All scientists know that the cell of an ameba is more complex than the Nassau’s space station. The chance that you win the lottery every week for the next 80 years is 2.420.796× greater than the chance that 1 cell comes into existance by chance!
Right, and it's a figure that ultimately says nothing about the nature of reality. It's an estimate, one man's guess. >What on Earth was the point of all those 9s? Was that some sort of lame effort to make the article look vaguely scientific?<
George Sim Johnson said, 'Human DNA contains more organized information than the Encyclopedia Britannica. If the full text of the encyclopedia were to arrive in computer code from outer space, most people would regard this as proof of the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence. But when seen in nature, it is explained as the workings of random forces'. (George Sim Johnson 'Did Darwin Get it Right?' October 1999).
I am asking you a question. Can that OK come into existence by chance? Yes or no? You would probably say no. If 2 letters cannot come into existence without a Creator then how can the complete Encyclopedia Britannica (DNA) come into exitstence by chance? Use your logic. Is it possible?
Someone who understands elementary mathematics could do it quite easily. Again, we're talking about an estimate, as the Professor who made it would tell you if he were given the chance to speak for himself.
Why is the right one created and the left one not? Answer me? The left one can walk, laugh, love, play, talk and the right one cannot. How can the left one come into existence without a Creator and the right one cannot? That's why Ambrose Flemming said, 'The evolution theory is purely the product of the imagination'. (Dr. Ambrose Flemming, Pres. Philosophical Society of UK). Its just a theory, not proven.
Now we get to the interesting stuff. So far, the author has used quotes from scientists in ways that they most likely wouldn't approve of; now the author is actually giving us his own "arguments". I wonder what he's talking about though. What is it that atheists "known"?
You don't know anything about how complicated a cell is. Its accepted by scientists that a cell is more complicated than New York City. If this
Cannot come into existence without a creator, then how can a cell come into existence without a creator? See, this is logic. We Muslims are logical people. Which scientists do you know that don't agree with the numbers i gave you? They accept that the probability of the coincidental formation of a single protein is "as unlikely as the possibility of a monkey writing the history of humanity on a typewriter without making any mistakes". (Ali Demirsoy, Kalýtým ve Evrim (Inheritance and Evolution), Ankara: Meteksan Publishing Co., 1984, p. 64). Dr. Ethredge said, '90% of the talk of evolution is sheer nonsense not founded on observation and wholly unsupported by fact. This Museum is full of proof of the utter falsity of their view'. (Dr. Ethredge, British Museum of Science.)
I'm not sure whether it's funny or pathetic that this writer thinks he's found a mathematical proof for the existence of god.
Look at this fool. People tell him that his father was a frog and a monkey and he is smiling. We do not believe in that theorie, like thousands of other scientists. Dr. David Berlinsky said, 'There are gaps in the fossil graveyard, places where there should be intermediate forms, but where there is nothing whatsoever instead. No paleontologist, denies that this is so. It is simply a fact, Darwin's theory and the fossil record are in conflict'.
I'd be amazed to find an evolutionist reading this article who didn't laugh at it and call it utterly worthless.
They will laugh at you, because you don't know about this things. They know this and they accept it. Show me who is wrong. Show me which calculation is wrong. You did not answer any of my points, you are only showing how brainless you are. Show me, which calculation is wrong. You don't even know the scienists i quote. Why do you think no Evolutionist dares to debate an Creationist? hehe he will be humiliated in a few minutes. Louis Bounoure said, 'Evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless'. (Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research).
This is true, but it's taken completely out of context and made to serve a purpose which its original author wouldn't have intended. By the end of the article, the author is just gibbering inanities, which are hardly worth repeating. I'd be amazed if any non-Muslim was convinced by this unbelievably witless piece of writing. Thanks for posting it, though. I haven't laughed so much in ages!
HAHAHAHAHA this man is lauging at us hahahahhaa read above and tell me if you still laugh haha
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Evalution has been proven wrong by scientist who wanted to prove it right. Czgibson tell me what you think of this movie, cuz i really want your answer.
[COLOR="indigo"]firstly, the odds i gave you are facts.
No they aren't. They are estimates.
Non of your Darwinists can say anything about it. They have accepted it.
Nonsense.
Fill the state of Texas with silver dollars two feet deep (wonder how that feels?). Having only one dollar marked with the letter X, ask a blind man to find the marked dollar with one try. He would have one chance out of 10^17 chances to find it, (one with 17 zeros behind it). Now imagine the odds for forming a simple cell, one with 40,000 zeros? You would have to fill an area the size of our sun with quarters and find one with the mark while being blindfolded, and on just the first try! This is what he believes haha
What on Earth are you ranting about?
You don't even know the basics of science.
Thanks for telling me what I know and what I don't. You must be omniscient!
Well, the odds for these are better that the odds for the evolutionists’ one "simple" cell being created by blind chance.
Who says cells are created by blind chance?
All scientists know that the cell of an ameba is more complex than the Nassau’s space station.
Do you mean Nassau, the capital of the Bahamas? I didn't know they'd created a space station there.
I am asking you a question. Can that OK come into existence by chance? Yes or no?
Maybe.
If 2 letters cannot come into existence without a Creator then how can the complete Encyclopedia Britannica (DNA) come into exitstence by chance? Use your logic. Is it possible?
First of all, the Encyclopedia Britannica is not the same as DNA. Secondly, the Encyclopedia Britannica did not come into existence by chance, and no-one claims that it did. What point are you trying to make?
Why is the right one created and the left one not? Answer me? The left one can walk, laugh, love, play, talk and the right one cannot. How can the left one come into existence without a Creator and the right one cannot?
A baby is created by its parents. A sculpture of the serene primordial Buddha is created by a sculptor. That's simple enough, no?
You don't know anything about how complicated a cell is.
How do you know what I know and what I don't?
Cannot come into existence without a creator, then how can a cell come into existence without a creator? See, this is logic.
What exactly do you know about logic? Have you ever studied it?
Which scientists do you know that don't agree with the numbers i gave you?
It's not a question of agreeing with the numbers. It's whether or not scientists would agree with the use they've been put to in that article.
They accept that the probability of the coincidental formation of a single protein is "as unlikely as the possibility of a monkey writing the history of humanity on a typewriter without making any mistakes". (Ali Demirsoy, Kalýtým ve Evrim (Inheritance and Evolution), Ankara: Meteksan Publishing Co., 1984, p. 64).
You're asserting that all scientists accept this arbitrary comparison. How do you know this to be the case?
Look at this fool.
You're calling me a fool now? Charming. What excellent debating skills you have!
People tell him that his father was a frog and a monkey and he is smiling.
No-one's ever told me that.
We do not believe in that theorie, like thousands of other scientists.
Who are vastly outnumbered by those scientists who accept evolution as a reality.
Dr. David Berlinsky said, 'There are gaps in the fossil graveyard, places where there should be intermediate forms, but where there is nothing whatsoever instead. No paleontologist, denies that this is so. It is simply a fact, Darwin's theory and the fossil record are in conflict'.
Wrong. Lots of paleontologists would dispute this, given that transitional forms have been found.
They will laugh at you, because you don't know about this things.
I'm happy to be laughed at, but, again, please don't tell me what I know or don't know.
Show me who is wrong. Show me which calculation is wrong.
You're missing the point. These calculations are neither right nor wrong, because we don't know what criteria have been used.
You did not answer any of my points, you are only showing how brainless you are.
You're just great! Keep up with the insults - that's bound to convince me...
You don't even know the scienists i quote.
Right - most of them haven't made much impact on the scientific community, have they?
Why do you think no Evolutionist dares to debate an Creationist? hehe he will be humiliated in a few minutes.
Haven't you ever seen these debates? They happen all the time. There are many on this very forum. Here are two of them:
Louis Bounoure said, 'Evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless'. (Prof. Louis Bounoure, Director of Research, National Center of Scientific Research).
Presumably this guy thinks all of modern biology is useless too?
HAHAHAHAHA this man is lauging at us hahahahhaa read above and tell me if you still laugh haha
I'm laughing at the pathetic article you posted, and at anyone who takes it seriously. I'm sure the majority of Muslims would be far more sensible than that, though.
What will you then get if not believe in Allah? Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, "At every womb Allah appoints an angel who says, 'O Lord! A drop of semen, O Lord! A clot. O Lord! A little lump of flesh." Then if Allah wishes (to complete) its creation, the angel asks, (O Lord!) Will it be a male or female, a wretched or a blessed, and how much will his provision be? And what will his age be?' So all that is written while the child is still in the mother's womb."
Battle-4-peace don't waste your time on Czgibson. Those who strongly don't want to believe in Islam, Allah blinds them even more. you tried your best to show him the light, but the satan has clearly toke the best of him and fulfllied his mission, which is to make him a unbeliever. In the judgement day he will be one of the fools who would beg god for a 2nd chance. They will regret their foolish decisions.
Czgibson, why are you in this website. This website is for people who believe in god and specially for muslims. Go to an athiest website or something cuz i really think you dont belong here.
Battle-4-peace don't waste your time on Czgibson. Those who strongly don't want to believe in Islam, Allah blinds them even more. you tried your best to show him the light, but the satan has clearly toke the best of him and fulfllied his mission, which is to make him a unbeliever. In the judgement day he will be one of the fools who would beg god for a 2nd chance. They will regret their foolish decisions
And of course you have no way of proving this as your simply trying to prove God through faith and very little knowledge of the actual sciences you are trying to criticise. Battle-4-peace more specifically, does not really understand the context of what he has "Cut and pasted". To then try and defend what he clearly does not understand has lead him to look a little silly to say the least.
Czgibson, why are you in this website. This website is for people who believe in god and specially for muslims. Go to an athiest website or something cuz i really think you dont belong here.
I think your wrong and your making it quite a habit. Quite frankly I would question the value of your contribution here before that of czgibdon.
The day of judgement is beyound science. Allah is capable of anything, he created science and he can destroy it. He is beyound time, matter, and the whole univere. All he wants for humanity is to believe in him and his message. This world is a test, he wants us to believe what we don't understand and see. root, i encourage you to read the Qur'an, it contains scientific facts 1,400 years ago that were only recently discovered. And sciece back then was very Limited, so it is obvious that it is the word of god.
Evolution is a proven fact of this world and nearly every biologist or medical doctor understands it. If you deny evolution then you deny science. Everyone who walks knows gravity and yet we are still able to walk, drive, jump and even fly... so why should we deny and be threatened by evolution? It is a lifeless force. Thank Allah that we can overcome the usually destructive force of evolution... every single day. Things that naturally evolve the best are viruses, diseases, cancers, polution, evil ideas, sins, hatred, lies, retribution. Medicine often uses evolution to try to test drugs and operative procedures to help people, growing and destroying billions of mice and small animals. If you gamble and experiment enough you will eventually learn a pattern, but at what cost? Most engineers and programmers study and learn from their failures but rarely do they set out to build a thousand buildings or write a million programs just to see and learn which one is the best. You learn the laws and then design with them. Allah created the laws and designed with them... there is nothing to fear in evolution. It is a force that balances itself out.
If a person does not believe in creation, then just ask them what is responsible for, what chooses what they do in a day. The laws of the universe? The flip of a coin?
I am still waiting for he refutations. He did not refute anything of my posts. He only denied a few things, and he doesn't know that all his scientists accepted those numbers. Let me tell you what a few of the greatest scientists on earth said.
Richard Dawkins said, "The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially, the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer." (Professor Richard Dawkins, an atheist).
Dr. George Wald said, 'I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution'. (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
George Gallup said, "I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity." (George Gallup, the famous statistician)
Professor Harold Morowitz said, "The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 to 10-340,000,000. This number is 1 to 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering, since there is only supposed to be approximately 10-80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!" (Professor Harold Morowitz)
Dr. Michael Denton said, "The complexity of the simplest known type cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle." (Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist)
Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson said, "A close inspection discovers an empirical impossibility to be inherent in the idea of evolution." (Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, Swedish botanist and geneticist, English Summary of Synthetische Artbildung, pg. 1142-43, 1186.)
What do they say? They accept the numbers i gave you. I challenge you to show me scientists who denie this calculations. We are still waiting for your refutations. So come on, we are waiting!
I am still waiting for he refutations. He did not refute anything of my posts.
Do you want to try reading my post?
He only denied a few things, and he doesn't know that all his scientists accepted those numbers.
I didn't know I possessed any scientists...
Richard Dawkins said, "The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less we can believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially, the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer." (Professor Richard Dawkins, an atheist).
Do you even understand what that quote means? Do you really think the world's most famous atheist actually believes in an intelligent designer?
Try reading the quote in context, to see what point Dawkins is actually making (it comes from an article entitled "The Necessity of Darwinism"):
The more statistically improbable a thing is, the less can we believe that it just happened by blind chance. Superficially the obvious alternative to chance is an intelligent Designer. But Charles Darwin showed how it is possible for blind physical forces to mimic the effects of conscious design, and, by operating as a cumulative filter of chance variations, to lead eventual to organized and adaptive complexity, to mosquitoes and mammoths, to humans and therefore, indirectly, to books and computers.
Darwin's theory is now supported by all the available relevant evidence, and its truth is not doubted by any serious modern biologist...
Dr. George Wald said, 'I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God, therefore I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution'. (Dr. George Wald, evolutionist, Professor Emeritus of Biology at the University at Harvard, Nobel Prize winner in Biology.)
He's talking about abiogenesis, which is essentially a mystery.
George Gallup said, "I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity." (George Gallup, the famous statistician)
Anyone who thinks god's existence can be proven has not thought about it for long enough.
Professor Harold Morowitz said, "The probability for the chance of formation of the smallest, simplest form of living organism known is 1 to 10-340,000,000. This number is 1 to 10 to the 340 millionth power! The size of this figure is truly staggering, since there is only supposed to be approximately 10-80 (10 to the 80th power) electrons in the whole universe!" (Professor Harold Morowitz)
More of these arbitrary figures you seem so impressed with. Even if this figure were accurate (and there's no way of determining whether that's the case or not), so what? The fact is, life has arisen on this planet. However unlikely it is, that does not prove there was a creator.
Imagine if you took part in a lottery. The chances of you buying the winning ticket are 50 million to one. Amazingly, you win. A friend comes up to you and says, "Ah, you must have rigged the lottery, because the chance of you winning was so small." According to your reasoning, the friend would definitely be right. What do you think?
Dr. Michael Denton said, "The complexity of the simplest known type cell is so great that it is impossible to accept that such an object could have been thrown together by some kind of freakish, vastly improbable event. Such an occurrence would be indistinguishable from a miracle." (Dr. Michael Denton, molecular biochemist)
The point is nobody knows how life arose to begin with. You've got an explanation that was formulated by primitive people thousands of years ago, and you're happy with that; the position that modern humanity, post-Enlightenment, finds itself in is that the god-hypothesis is truly past its sell-by date, but there is still no convincing explanation of abiogenesis.
Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson said, "A close inspection discovers an empirical impossibility to be inherent in the idea of evolution." (Dr. Nils Heribert-Nilsson, Swedish botanist and geneticist, English Summary of Synthetische Artbildung, pg. 1142-43, 1186.)
I wonder what he's talking about? It's a pity we've only got the quote out of context - perhaps we'll never know.
What do they say? They accept the numbers i gave you. I challenge you to show me scientists who denie this calculations. We are still waiting for your refutations. So come on, we are waiting!
I've already explained why it is irrelevant who accepts these arbitrary figures; most scientists have far more important things to do than discuss whether Professor X's estimate on the chance of a primitive cell developing is accurate or not.
I don't know if I can cope with this schoolboy level of debate. If you choose to ignore everything I've written, then what is the point of me writing it? Why don't you try reading some of the answers I've given to your questions, and how about answering a few of mine?
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