al-Qaida in Iraq

[islamirama]

what is your point?? What should the US have done in response to the 9/11 tragedy? Should we leave ourselves open, no reaction, let people keep bombing our embassies and cities? What about OBL, should he have to face war crimes? What about all of the insurgent groups, they too then should face war crimes... The thing is the US is not at war in iraq right now, our objectives in iraq are complete, we are just trying to provide security now, which cant be done because of the mongrels and heathens that insist on the deaths of more muslims to get people like you to believe it is all the US's fault. Face it, the Muslim world (in the middle east) today is in shambles and probably wont recover. It isnt the US's fault you cant be civilized and get along because of ridiculous religious differences. But hey, I think we will be leaving relatively soon anyways, so we will see who is blowing up mosques and setting off car bombs and killing officials, police, women, children and other innocent civilians. You should be ashamed

One question for you, when an inquiry was ordered and more investigations into 9-11, WHY did Bush and his cronies stopped it? why did they say its "waste" of time and lets hurry and go to war? what do they have to hide?

say what you want, 25 muslim countries polled and majority in all of them said they dont' know who did 9-11 and they believe it's a war on islam (not terror). Today your george the retard monkey does as he pleases, tomorrow americans will pay for his war crimes.

 

[Amadeus85]

As i know muslim extremists began to attack USA long before George W.Bush became a president.
Those attacks like- first attack on WTC, attack on american embassy in Lebanon, hostages taken in Iran in american embassy, it all hapenned long before Bush was elected.

 

[MTAFFI]

One question for you, when an inquiry was ordered and more investigations into 9-11, WHY did Bush and his cronies stopped it? why did they say its "waste" of time and lets hurry and go to war? what do they have to hide?

say what you want, 25 muslim countries polled and majority in all of them said they dont' know who did 9-11 and they believe it's a war on islam (not terror). Today your george the retard monkey does as he pleases, tomorrow americans will pay for his war crimes.

OK lets see some proof over these claims... 9/11 is still in "an investigative state" to this day. And please dont give me claims from prisonplanet or infowars or any other ridiculous conspiracy party that is not allowed access to files. I mean even the people that called their husbands and wives, said the plane was under attack from mid eastern terrorist, all who were found to have met with OBL, all who admitted in video tape what there cause was, their religion that was behind it and who they met with. You are ridiculous, there are no war crimes accept those committed by your people. At least when there is a claim an american does something wrong it is investigated and the soldier(s) are brought to trial. I wonder what will happen to those who executed Nick Berg, an innocent civilian contractor, when will those people go on trial. Oh yeah that was done by Muslims so that is OK with you right. The more I meet and talk to people like you the more I lose respect for your people as a whole. It seems that except for a handful of Muslims share this uncivilized, uneducated, fall behind every conspiracy theory out there sort of mindset. I mean if someone said Bush was actually Saddam Hussein, and he staged his own execution only so he could keep war in his own country AND run the US and terrorize its citizens I wouldnt be suprised to see you jump on that wagon as well. Get a grip man, they dont call it conspiracy THEORY for nothing. I am sure it is easy to post on a Muslim site about this type of garbage, why dont you go to a pro US site and post it and get a hands on idea of what americans really think. Open both eyes and you might see a little clearer.

 

[islamirama]

As i know muslim extremists began to attack USA long before George W.Bush became a president.
Those attacks like- first attack on WTC, attack on american embassy in Lebanon, hostages taken in Iran in american embassy, it all hapenned long before Bush was elected.

Lebanon, US full support (financial, weaponry, political, moral) to israel since it's existance. Israel invades and occupies south lebanon. Israel and it's allies that provide it weapons are legitimate targets.

iran, let's not even go there with what US had been doing with shah and regime changes and what not.

want to talk about other embasies? US had been at war with Muslims thru out history, positiong military bases in Muslim lands, supporting tyrants ruling muslim lands, engaged in operative regime changes, and then that dam foriegn policey. Go look at history and every honest expert on these conflicts and they will agree its the foreign policy AGAINST Muslims that is making the animosity grow. Muslim don't attack, the REact. What you see is what was made possibly by US meddling in Muslim world for it's "national interests of oil" and for israel.

Mtaffi,

two words for you ....

False Flags

 

[MTAFFI]

Mtaffi,

two words for you ....

islamirama

two words for you

hopeless fool

 

[Zman]

The article is about 2007, not 2002. Anybody that has been paying attention the past few years knows that Al-Qaeda, or at least something calling itself Al-Qaeda, has been in Iraq for awhile now. Remember that guy Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader? The point of the article is that this Al-Qaeda affiliated group is claiming responsibility for some suicide bombings. It doesn't really say anything new, just a bit of news about who is claiming responsibility for suicide attacks.

Ok, AQ/Iraq claimed responsibility, what point are you trying to make?

 

[Keltoi]

Ok, AQ/Iraq claimed responsibility, what point are you trying to make?

That post was in response to people who threw out accusations without actually reading the article or understanding the context.

 

[Zman]

The article is about 2007, not 2002. Anybody that has been paying attention the past few years knows that Al-Qaeda, or at least something calling itself Al-Qaeda, has been in Iraq for awhile now.

Remember that guy Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader? The point of the article is that this Al-Qaeda affiliated group is claiming responsibility for some suicide bombings. It doesn't really say anything new, just a bit of news about who is claiming responsibility for suicide attacks.

That's true. But, you failed to mention that "Al Qaeda" wouldn't even be in Iraq, at the moment, if it weren't for the US/UK invasion of that defenseless nation.

And, AQ is responsible for some of the suicide attacks. Don't forget to mention the US/UK's occupation forces' complicity...
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[Zman]

The article is about 2007, not 2002. Anybody that has been paying attention the past few years knows that Al-Qaeda, or at least something calling itself Al-Qaeda, has been in Iraq for awhile now.

Remember that guy Zarqawi, the Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader? The point of the article is that this Al-Qaeda affiliated group is claiming responsibility for some suicide bombings. It doesn't really say anything new, just a bit of news about who is claiming responsibility for suicide attacks.

That's true. But, you failed to mention that "Al Qaeda" wouldn't even be in Iraq, at the moment, if it weren't for the US/UK invasion of that defenseless nation.

And, AQ is responsible for some of the suicide attacks. Don't forget to mention the US/UK's occupation forces' complicity...

 

[Zman]

I heard Americans intentionally go to dangerous towns and give out candy to kids so they can become human sheild for them...

US Army Uses Iraqi Children As Human Shields Again

Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Twenty-four Iraqi children were killed Wednesday by a suicide car bomber targeting American soldiers handing out sweets after entering their Baghdad neighborhood precisely to warn of a possible attack.

Some 20 more children were wounded in the blast, while a US soldier died and three were injured, hospital and US sources said. "A driver approached one of the US Humvees and then detonated his car," said Sergeant David Abrams.

[...]

"Children gathered round the Americans who were handing out sweets. Suddenly a suicide car bomber drove round from a side street and blew himself up," Hassan Mohammed added.

The last such attack involved a triple car bombing against US troops inaugurating a water treatment plant in western Baghdad on September 30. Forty-three people were killed, including 37 children who had gathered to take candy from the soldiers

Who is more to blame? The Iraqi resistance targeting occupation military soldiers or the coward US army hiding behind Iraqi kids?

The attacks that target Iraqi civilians should be condemned whether they're carried out by the US army (like the daily attacks) or by others (like some ethnic attacks against mosques and individuals). Yet, the attacks targeting military convoys that kills Iraqi civilians gathering around them is another story, or at least a more controversial one. Civilians shouldn't be put in danger by sending military troops close to their homes.

Niki linked to a US soldier's blog some months ago quoting him saying: "I'm going to probably buy alot of candy when I goto the PX in the camp. That way, I can hand it out to the kids. They'll be more likely to help us avoid things we wouldn't otherwise be able to avoid if not for them". Maybe some of these quotes were the reason why A 3 star General approved an "order" that all milbloggers have to tell their chain of command about their blog . It seems we won't be enjoying some new smart quotes any more...

Using kids as human shields is such a shameful US Army policy. It's one of the worst policies in the illegal occupation that caused the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis till now.

Source:
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2005/07/us-army-uses-iraqi-children-as-human.html

 

[MTAFFI]

US Army Uses Iraqi Children As Human Shields Again

Wednesday, July 13, 2005

Twenty-four Iraqi children were killed Wednesday by a suicide car bomber targeting American soldiers handing out sweets after entering their Baghdad neighborhood precisely to warn of a possible attack.

Some 20 more children were wounded in the blast, while a US soldier died and three were injured, hospital and US sources said. "A driver approached one of the US Humvees and then detonated his car," said Sergeant David Abrams.

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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME?!?! You really think that the US used children as a human shield because a suicide bomber drove his truck into the kids and soldiers and killed some of them?? This is proposterous, you act as though the sick individual who did this didnt see the kids, or that he couldnt have simply turned around and come back another time. Some people are really disgusting. Keep living in your little world, keep thinking that Al_Qaeda has your best interest in mind, keep thinking that this nonsense propoganda that your perpetuate as fact is true. It only dims your intelligence and makes you even more vulnerable when the troops do finally pull out. What a totally ridiculous joke of a post that really is, you should be ashamed of your self for being that gullible and ignorant. Doesnt the Quran say something about those who wish to make you believe things that are simply not true?

 

[Joe98]

In this case we don’t know whether the suicide bomber was Sunni, Shiite or Al-queda. However the bomber had a goal.

The Americans were trying to be nice to the children. The suicide bomber hates that!

By killing the children, parents in the future will not allow their children to be friendly with US soldiers.

 

[vpb]

You guys like to talk in these kind of threads , dont you , lol

 

[E'jaazi]

It's because of the US the AQ is in Iraq! The US started all of this. As bad as Saddam might have been, things in Iraq were not this bad.

 

[Joe98]

It's because of the US the AQ is in Iraq!


As bad as Saddam might have been, things in Iraq were not this bad.

But who is making it bad?

The US soldiers have the task of protecting the workers who are trying to build infrastructure.

The Shiite and Sunni are killing the workers and killing each other.

It is the Sunni and Shiia who are making it bad.

 

[MTAFFI]

But who is making it bad?

The US soldiers have the task of protecting the workers who are trying to build infrastructure.

The Shiite and Sunni are killing the workers and killing each other.

It is the Sunni and Shiia who are making it bad.

That is the most accurate 4 sentence response I have seen on this forum

 

[islamirama]

But who is making it bad?

The US soldiers have the task of protecting the workers who are trying to build infrastructure.

The Shiite and Sunni are killing the workers and killing each other.

It is the Sunni and Shiia who are making it bad.

That is the most accurate 4 sentence response I have seen on this forum

Sunni Attacking shia?

Sunnis are too busy fighting the occupation forces to waste time, ammunition and precious lives in attacking Shia'ah civilians or destroying their holy sites.

To my knowledge, Sunnis have never persecuted the Siya'ah nor curse them or call for war with them. The scholars of Ahlu-Ssunnah wal-Jamaa'ah always seek open debate and dialog with Shiya'ah scholars to bring forth the truth and expose misguidance.

I do not see the Shiya'ah resisting or fighting against the occupation forces in Iraq! It is only Sunni m.u.j.a.h.i.d.e.e.n. that are doing the fighting while the Siya'ah stand by watching and many join the puppet Iraqi Army to fight along-side the occupation forces while others provide them information about the resistance.

Bombing of Shiya'ah masaajid and civilian gatherings in Iraq is the work of the Americans and Israeli agents. It is very easy for American troops to plant car bombs near markets and explosives inside masaajid then remotely detonate them. I believe the Israelis must be involved as well since they are behind the idea of invading and occupying Iraq . Also, the Israelis have been in constant contact with the Kurds in the north and are cooperating in various areas (supposedly) of interest to both. The U.S. wants to ignite civil war between Sunnis and Shiya'ah so that it can divert the Sunni resistance effort to fighting Shiya'ah militias and to drain their resources in that direction. Moreover, the civil war will enable the Americans to watch and pick the Sunni resistance fighters as they fight with the Shiya'ah.

It is so stupid to fall into this old and familiar "Divide-and-Conquer" trap used by the Europeans throughout history to conquer other nations . The Romans used it to establish their huge empire and the British, who came from an Island, used it to establish their own empire around the world. The French, then the Americans after them, have divided Vietnam into North and South. The Americans have divided Korea into North and South and the British have divided Pakistan into East and West Pakistan and sold Kashmir to a Hindu Maharaja as a time bomb to create regional division between India and Pakistan in the future.


Market Bombing & civilian deaths - Interesting Testimonies


"One young Iraqi man told us that he was trained by the Americans as a policeman in Baghdad and he spent 70 per cent of his time learning to drive and 30 per cent in weapons training. They said to him: 'Come back in a week.' When he went back, they gave him a mobile phone and told him to drive into a crowded area near a mosque and phone them. He waited in the car but couldn't get the right mobile signal. So he got out of the car to where he received a better signal. Then his car blew up.

"There was another man, trained by the Americans for the police. He too was given a mobile and told to drive to an area where there was a crowd - maybe a protest - and to call them and tell them what was happening. Again, his new mobile was not working. So he went to a landline phone and called the Americans and told them: 'Here I am, in the place you sent me and I can tell you what's happening here.' And at that moment there was a big explosion in his car."


Source

Khadduri's report went like this: "A few days ago, an American manned check point confiscated the driver license of a driver and told him to report to an American military camp near Baghdad airport for interrogation and in order to retrieve his license… we have forwarded your papers and license to al-Kadhimia police station for processing. …The driver did leave in a hurry, but was soon alarmed with a feeling that his car was driving as if carrying a heavy load, and he also became suspicious of a low flying helicopter that kept hovering overhead, as if trailing him. He stopped the car and inspected it carefully. He found nearly 100 kilograms of explosives hidden in the back seat and along the two back doors.

(2) On May 13, 2005, a 64 years old Iraqi farmer, Haj Haidar Abu Sijjad, took his tomato load in his pickup truck from Hilla to Baghdad, accompanied by Ali, his 11 years old grandson. They were stopped at an American check point and were asked to dismount. ….A minute later, his grandson told him that he saw one of the American soldiers putting a grey melon size object in the back among the tomato containers. "They intended it to explode in Baghdad …'.


Source

 

[MTAFFI]

Sunni Attacking shia?

Sunnis are too busy fighting the occupation forces to waste time, ammunition and precious lives in attacking Shia'ah civilians or destroying their holy sites.
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If I ever need a good source of Al-Qaeda propoganda I will be sure to come to you. If these people are so busy fighting the "Occupation" then why do they continue to kill more of each other in a day than US forces in a month? Sunni and Shia have fought and waged war with each other for centuries, if the US were doing all these attacks why wouldnt we just fly over the country and use our military might? We could have been out of there years ago with limited casualites.. Your whole post is a waste of space, and by the way I notice you have posted it several times before, just so you know it holds no more weight now than it did then.

 

[islamirama]

If I ever need a good source of Al-Qaeda propoganda I will be sure to come to you. If these people are so busy fighting the "Occupation" then why do they continue to kill more of each other in a day than US forces in a month? Sunni and Shia have fought and waged war with each other for centuries, if the US were doing all these attacks why wouldnt we just fly over the country and use our military might? We could have been out of there years ago with limited casualites.. Your whole post is a waste of space, and by the way I notice you have posted it several times before, just so you know it holds no more weight now than it did then.

Do you think i care what you think? you have been brainwashed and spoon fed by your media to think the way you do. And dont' try turning that statement back on me. Nothing you say holds weigh as you are just a patriotic poor man trying to defend an idiot leader. 25 countries majority have stated the opinions in the polls as well as 1/2 the americans and yet you dismiss it so easily. Got news for you buddy, world doesn't evovle around you and you are not important enough to even listen to let alone give any weigh to what you say. Polls speaks for themselves what the world thinks of all of this.And despite how many different sources i bring, you will give me the same old speal so there is no point in talking to you. Enjoy your world in a glass and keep wondering "why do they hate us"

 

[MTAFFI]

Do you think i care what you think? you have been brainwashed and spoon fed by your media to think the way you do. And dont' try turning that statement back on me. Nothing you say holds weigh as you are just a patriotic poor man trying to defend an idiot leader. 25 countries majority have stated the opinions in the polls as well as 1/2 the americans and yet you dismiss it so easily. Got news for you buddy, world doesn't evovle around you and you are not important enough to even listen to let alone give any weigh to what you say. Polls speaks for themselves what the world thinks of all of this.And despite how many different sources i bring, you will give me the same old speal so there is no point in talking to you. Enjoy your world in a glass and keep wondering "why do they hate us"

okey dokey, whatever you say...lol.. I am brainwashed :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I never said I like Bush, in fact, I cant wait until the elections. I look at all sources of media, it seems froms your posts that you only look to one source, I remain objective and unbiased, while you consider no other belief or opinion other than what suits your needs. I do not rely on polls because they typically come from a small number of people and depending on the source they are typically biased. I could poll 1010 people at the university of charlotte about who is their favorite football team, and I bet over 90% would say the Carolina panthers, would that mean 90% of americans love the panthers? If I polled a black community in a poor neighborhood on whether or not they like Bush, do their views represent the US as a whole? I dont think so, unless everyone is polled a poll holds no weight, but that is only my opinion, which according to you holds no weight anyways... But then again what do your words hold? The same statements and articles from the same conspiracy theory sites or biased poll research. Wow.... I think your post directed at me is more like a direct reflection of yourself and your ignorance as to how the world works. If you would just look at things from two sides and try to see what is really happening, rather than what you wish was happening, I think your arguments could not only be more productive but more reliable and true as well.