al-Qaida in Iraq

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Keltoi said:
This is in direct contrast to the enemy there, who routinely tortures and beheads civilians, dumping their bodies all over Baghdad and the rest of the country. People have to go out in the morning and look in the rivers to find other headless corpses floating in it. This is the kind of savagery that takes most people, who aren't even over there, for a loop. Imagine the soldiers and others over there who see what the insurgency is doing to the people of Iraq.
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I think you should differentiate between the parties involved in that bloodbath and not group them all under the insurgency umbrella.

The Muslim Factor:

1. The real Iraqi Resistance: I haven't heard of them targeting Iraqi civilians with car bombs, nor beaheadings.

Their MO against the occupation is direct battles, and car bombings against occupation and Iraqi government troops (which they see as being puppets & collaborators).

They have also entered into a direct alliance with the Sunni tribes of Al Anbar province (in Western Iraq, next to the Syrian border) to battle Al Qaeda/Iraq.

In the past 3 months, they have managed to severely disrupt AQ/Iraq. Which is a feat the US was unable to accomplish in the past 3 years.

And indirectly, they're in a so-called temporary alliance with the US against AQ/Iraq (former Ambassador Khalilizad was in direct negotiations for the past year, with the Sunni Resistance).

2. The Al Qaeda/Iraq: they're involved in targeting civilians with car bombings and some beheadings. They are also targeting the real Iraqi Resistance, the Sunni politicians in the Iraqi government and the Shia.

3. The death squads, who are involved in sectarian cleansing and torture and mutilation, in Baghdad.

4. A splinter group from the real Iraqi Insurgency has taken up the task in defending the Sunni neighborhoods of Iraq. and are involved in reprisal killings and some sectarian cleansing of the Shia. (They don't torture or mutilate, Just a bullet in the head).

The Occupation Forces:

1. The CIA/U.S. special forces/SAS and "Contractors/Mercenaries" are involved in the killings.

2. The current "Surge" is taking a toll on Iraqi civilians and housing. There has been an increased use of artillery and arial bombardment, in Baghdad. So you can't discount the continuation of civilian death at the hands of the US, also.

The Iranians (Revolutionary Guards/Intelligence)


Others:

a) The Israeli Mossad/Also, there are Israeli Mossad & Commando's training the Kurds in the north, and are actively aiding the US/Uk in infiltrating special forces into Iran.

So, it wouldn't be hard to deduce that they're operating in Baghdad, also).

b) various Arab intelligence services, in the new US/Sunni Arab states alliance (Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel & the US) against the Shia bloc (Iran, Iraqi Shia, the Syrian government)
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This doesn't include the groups in the so-called Iraqi-Kurdistan or Southern Iraq, around Basra, where the Shia Militia's dominate, but there is a newly formed alliance between Sunni & Shia tribes, resisting the British occupation troops, in the south...
 
zman

I am not sure if you were just trying to reach your 50 posts or if you actually meant something in any of your posts, however the constant mockery, twists on words, and basic waste of thread space is redundant and boring. Perhaps if you could come with some facts or really any sort of intelligent reponses I will take a little more time to respond to your posts. Otherwise I will write you off as an immature young buck who took the day off school to try and get an otherwise productive thread closed. :D
 
MTAFFI said:
zman

I am not sure if you were just trying to reach your 50 posts or if you actually meant something in any of your posts, however the constant mockery, twists on words, and basic waste of thread space is redundant and boring. Perhaps if you could come with some facts or really any sort of intelligent reponses I will take a little more time to respond to your posts. Otherwise I will write you off as an immature young buck who took the day off school to try and get an otherwise productive thread closed. :D
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so typical of you. any comments on this or will you deny this like that of your pretty little sodliers?

Contractors killing innocent people in Iraq
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...2860214&q=irak
 
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MTAFFI said:
however the constant mockery, twists on words, and basic waste of thread space is redundant and boring. Perhaps if you could come with some facts or really any sort of intelligent reponses I will take a little more time to respond to your posts. Otherwise I will write you off as an immature young buck who took the day off school to try and get an otherwise productive thread closed. :D
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Like I said before TAFFI, practice what you preach to others. Because, you Just keep coming off as a rude hypocrite...
 
islamirama said:
movie? whose talking about a movie? it's a video clip taken by the contractors as they are driving on the road, having some fun shooting at civilians

they must've removed the video, how typical...


here's some new ones

http://youtube.com/watch?v=o0HFkLoJm7Q

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2nNSovh3hYs
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DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO COMMENT ON THIS?!?!? LOL
It is laughable to say the least, you have an unidentified person in an old ratty looking car (judging only from the rear windshield which is all that is shown) supposedly shooting at people going down the road. If someone labeled this "Insurgency shooting at random people" would you believe it? How about "Bugs Bunny randomly shooting at people", would you believe that too? Come on man get a grip here you are really stretching with this blatant propaganda
 
Zman said:

Like I said before TAFFI, practice what you preach to others. Because, you Just keep coming off as a rude hypocrite...
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really, how is that? (by the way this thread is about Al-Qaeda not me, so please stay on topic and PM me if you are concerned about my personal opinions or reactions in a thread)
 
MTAFFI said:
DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO COMMENT ON THIS?!?!? LOL
It is laughable to say the least, you have an unidentified person in an old ratty looking car (judging only from the rear windshield which is all that is shown) supposedly shooting at people going down the road. If someone labeled this "Insurgency shooting at random people" would you believe it? How about "Bugs Bunny randomly shooting at people", would you believe that too? Come on man get a grip here you are really stretching with this blatant propaganda
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yea thats why they have american music on. And like insurgents feel the need to drive on road so openly and shooting cars. Btw, didn't you see one car smach into another and people run out of the car,and didn't you see bullets kickign of the dirt on the road like rain, and yet you say "supposedly" shot? keep talking, you only are proving to us how much you support injustice, you're doing great service being a representative of your average american joe :thumbs_up
 
islamirama said:
yea thats why they have american music on. And like insurgents feel the need to drive on road so openly and shooting cars. Btw, didn't you see one car smach into another and people run out of the car,and didn't you see bullets kickign of the dirt on the road like rain, and yet you say "supposedly" shot? keep talking, you only are proving to us how much you support injustice, you're doing great service being a representative of your average american joe :thumbs_up
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I actually didnt see bullets throwing dust and just because a car crashed into another has nothing to do with these people shooting. As far as the american music, that is the funny thing about the whole movie, the music is louder and clearer than the guns shots....lol.. anyone with half a brain can tell that why that was taped over the video, not only that but take a look at the barrel of that gun, that is the tip of an AK 47 rifle, americans do not use that gun, so what does that tell you
 
MTAFFI said:
I actually didnt see bullets throwing dust and just because a car crashed into another has nothing to do with these people shooting. As far as the american music, that is the funny thing about the whole movie, the music is louder and clearer than the guns shots....lol.. anyone with half a brain can tell that why that was taped over the video, not only that but take a look at the barrel of that gun, that is the tip of an AK 47 rifle, americans do not use that gun, so what does that tell you
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Contractors don't use Ak-47s either, mainy more compact urban assault rifles, or SMG's.
 
Keltoi said:
Contractors don't use Ak-47s either, mainy more compact urban assault rifles, or SMG's.
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exactly, or the m-14 or a variety of other but the ak is out of date is is only used by one group in Iraq, and they arent wearing tan camo uniforms
 
MTAFFI said:
exactly, or the m-14 or a variety of other but the ak is out of date is is only used by one group in Iraq, and they arent wearing tan camo uniforms
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Plus, the job of a security contractor is to not bring attention to yourself.
 
MTAFFI said:
I actually didnt see bullets throwing dust and just because a car crashed into another has nothing to do with these people shooting. As far as the american music, that is the funny thing about the whole movie, the music is louder and clearer than the guns shots....lol.. anyone with half a brain can tell that why that was taped over the video, not only that but take a look at the barrel of that gun, that is the tip of an AK 47 rifle, americans do not use that gun, so what does that tell you
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I said contractors not US soldiers, and if you can't see the bullets bouncing of the ground then you need help. but then again i don't expect much from you anyways...

maybe you can find some way to dispute this as well

http://www.youtube.com/v/uXzpUawlEGQ

And you wonder why iraqis and Muslim world hates US, it's troops and leaders....
 
islamirama said:
I said contractors not US soldiers, and if you can't see the bullets bouncing of the ground then you need help. but then again i don't expect much from you anyways...

maybe you can find some way to dispute this as well

http://www.youtube.com/v/uXzpUawlEGQ

And you wonder why iraqis and Muslim world hates US, it's troops and leaders....
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CONTRACTORS DONT USE AK-47 EITHER SO THE FIRST VIDEO IS DEBUNKED

as for this video with the water bottle, it is utterly disgusting. Again I will tell you that I have no doubt that there are bad things happening on both sides of this war. It is a shame that these soldiers did this and it saddens me for those innocent children.

Now lets see you post a video of what the insurgents do to these children and women. Just so that way we can all see that you arent completely one sided and you sure seem to be. This is my whole point, you have spent hours here trying to convince me that US soldiers are the problem and the one thing you bring is kids chasing a water bottle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2QSoJpnpUs
there is a video of terrorist video taping one of their suicide bombers

your turn, I am sure we could do this all day, but I can tell you now I will find more videos like this that are far more deadly to the common civilian that what you will find on the americans. And dont bother responding with another video, because truly it will be redundant
 
iTS GOOD THAT aL-qAIDA ARE IN Iraq!

I dont see many muslims sacrificing themsleves to help the muslims being toutred in Iraq by the Americans & Alies.

No 1 is standing up to the americans,

May Allah reward them all, and inshallah we join them.

Allah hu akbar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
MTAFFI said:
CONTRACTORS DONT USE AK-47 EITHER SO THE FIRST VIDEO IS DEBUNKED.
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Wrong. The word "contractors" is an umbrella term that includes private "security" personnel and "bounty hunters"... and yes, they cause more damage than soldiers... mainly because they aren't regulated by governments. I ran across this issue when I was researching the dispute over the number of fatalities. The insurgent groups accused the government of lying about the number of soldiers killed in Iraq. As it turned out, the military didn't lie about the numbers. They simply didn't include the number of 'hired guns' because those are not military personnel even if their job description was roughly the same.

There was an interesting expose on this subject which contained interviews with former military personnel who didn't renew their military contracts and went private because the pay was better.

The Ninth Scribe
 
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Ninth_Scribe said:
Wrong. The word "contractors" is an umbrella term that includes private "security" personnel... and yes, they cause more damage than soldiers... mainly because they aren't regulated by governments. I ran across this issue when I was researching the dispute over the number of fatalities. The insurgent groups accused the government of lying about the number of soldiers killed in Iraq. As it turned out, the military didn't lie about the numbers. They simply didn't include the number of 'hired guns' because those are not military personnel even if their job description was roughly the same.

There was an interesting expose on this subject which contained interviews with former military personnel who didn't renew their military contracts and went private because the pay was better.

The Ninth Scribe
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Why should the U.S. include contractor death statistics as their own? Most of these contractors aren't even American, although quite a few are. The job of the contractors are to protect VIPs and protect convoys mainly, although they do some other stuff if the money is right. I know that the largest American security contracting company is called Blackwood..or Blackwater, and they do alot of convoy stuff. However, the company tells them to not get involved in the "war". Like that is even possible. Most U.S. soldiers don't like them on the battlefield because it requires U.S. soldiers to bail them out of tight situations often times, but there have been episodes when contractors and U.S. soldiers fought fairly well together when necessary.
 
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Ameen
 
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