Are Muslims obligated to read the Bible?

[Walter]

Hi MustafaMc:

You wanted me to provide you with verses that showed where the Koran encouraged Muslims to study those Books that were previously sent to the Israelites and Christians. Please see the following verses.

4:136 - O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

So Muslims are not only to believe the Koran, but the Books sent to Israelites and Christians. You cannot igronantly say “I believe” without actually reading or listening to the Books. Mohammed was not a lunatic. He would not tell Muslims to believe something that they simply had no way of accessing. Here is another verse.

6:155-156 - And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy: Lest ye should say: "The Book was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study:"

So Muslims are not only instructed to read and believe the Books but to follow them as well. Here is another verse.

10:94 - If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

So Muslims are encouraged to seek instruction from those to whom God sent the Books previously, further confirming that acceptable copies were available at the time of Mohammed. Now Muslime are obviously not to seek instruction from those who would “hide the truth knowingly”, but from those described below.

113-115: Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

Best regards,
Grenville

 

[Walter]

Hi All:

I apologise for the two spelling errors in my last post: "ignorant" and "Muslims". Unfortunately I am not able to edit my posts.

Regards,
Grenville

 

[Balthasar21]

Since Torah was given to Kaleemullah Hazrat Musa AlaiSalaam By The Creator of this universe, why would it not concur with or be similar to Quraan since that is also kalamullah?

BTW If you dont mind me asking;are you an Iranian Jew or Shia? or have I got it wrong and you are a trouble making copt?

Why do SOME muslims resort to name calling and throwing temper tantrums instead of discussing the facts ?

I think you should ask al habeshi because he claim it didn't happen
To answer your question No ... Anyway there no such thing as a Jew .

 

[Umar001]

So Muslims are not only to believe the Koran, but the Books sent to Israelites and Christians. You cannot igronantly say “I believe” without actually reading or listening to the Books. Mohammed was not a lunatic. He would not tell Muslims to believe something that they simply had no way of accessing. Here is another verse.

That is not true. If God says to you, believe that I have created a two headed being which is hidden on Mars, do you have to see it or investigate it? No.

A perfect example is the claim of the Bible, if you are a Christian Jesus is reported to have said

blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.​

If God tells us believe that he sent a book then we don't have to have the book there for us to believe that He sent it.

6:155-156 - And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy: Lest ye should say: "The Book was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study:"

So Muslims are not only instructed to read and believe the Books but to follow them as well.

Well it say This is a Book and then it says follow IT, not them, I dont see where you can derive follow them and believe them, plural.

And the verse is clear, it is giving the Arabs the book lest they should say 'oh a book wasnt given to us' and make them escuses.

10:94 - If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

So Muslims are encouraged to seek instruction from those to whom God sent the Books previously, further confirming that acceptable copies were available at the time of Mohammed. Now Muslime are obviously not to seek instruction from those who would “hide the truth knowingly”, but from those described below.

So the passage is talking about Muhammad being in doubt as to what was given to him, it is talking here about a specific matter, being in doubt about what God revealed, ask the people about this.

None of those verses state to learn, read, or claim the preservation of the Bible.

 

[NoName55]

Why do SOME muslims resort to name calling and throwing temper tantrums instead of discussing the facts ?

I think you should ask al habeshi because he claim it didn't happen
To answer your question No ... Anyway there no such thing as a Jew .

al habeshi is forthright and upfront about his convictions so I don't need to ask who he is, all I need to know is that he is my brother in Islaam as well as brother in humanity.

on the other hand argumentative liars who don't declare themselves and make false claim after claim, I have no time for and I would much rather have them removed for sake of peace and devote more time to those who actually do want to compare and learn for whatever purpose

 

[Balthasar21]

Firsa

Hi MustafaMc:

You wanted me to provide you with verses that showed where the Koran encouraged Muslims to study those Books that were previously sent to the Israelites and Christians. Please see the following verses.

4:136 - O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.

So Muslims are not only to believe the Koran, but the Books sent to Israelites and Christians. You cannot igronantly say “I believe” without actually reading or listening to the Books. Mohammed was not a lunatic. He would not tell Muslims to believe something that they simply had no way of accessing. Here is another verse.

6:155-156 - And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy: Lest ye should say: "The Book was sent down to two Peoples before us, and for our part, we remained unacquainted with all that they learned by assiduous study:"

So Muslims are not only instructed to read and believe the Books but to follow them as well. Here is another verse.

10:94 - If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.

So Muslims are encouraged to seek instruction from those to whom God sent the Books previously, further confirming that acceptable copies were available at the time of Mohammed. Now Muslime are obviously not to seek instruction from those who would “hide the truth knowingly”, but from those described below.

113-115: Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.

Best regards,
Grenville

First let me say I love conformation , And thank you very much , I try to tell
al habeshi ... But he try to flip the script , Like the El's Holy Quraan Say ; 17 ; 81 , And I Quote And tell them this ,( Muhammad ) ; The facts ( BEYOND ANY DOUBT ) HAVE COME AND FALSE WAYS WERE TO VANISH . SURELY , THE FALSE WAYS WERE TO VANISH IN TIME .

Truth Always Find Away :thumbs_up

 

[Balthasar21]

That is not true. If God says to you, believe that I have created a two headed being which is hidden on Mars, do you have to see it or investigate it? No.

A perfect example is the claim of the Bible, if you are a Christian Jesus is reported to have said

blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.​

If God tells us believe that he sent a book then we don't have to have the book there for us to believe that He sent it.



Well it say This is a Book and then it says follow IT, not them, I dont see where you can derive follow them and believe them, plural.

And the verse is clear, it is giving the Arabs the book lest they should say 'oh a book wasnt given to us' and make them escuses.




So the passage is talking about Muhammad being in doubt as to what was given to him, it is talking here about a specific matter, being in doubt about what God revealed, ask the people about this.

None of those verses state to learn, read, or claim the preservation of the Bible.

Still trying to flip the script this is sad

 

[Umar001]

Still here though can't reply to simple questions?

 

[Balthasar21]

Please, I think a thread will be made soon 'schooling' me about the source of the Qur'an, lets leave alternative theories to that thread.

Eesa

Once the truth starts coming their no stoping it . I told you in my post everyone doesn't agree with you even some muslim . Shame on you trying to Hide the truth .

 

[NoName55]

Once the truth starts coming their no stoping it . I told you in my post everyone doesn't agree with you even some muslim . Shame on you trying to Hide the truth .

Listen here!

There is no need for us to read the older Scripture for all we need to know has been sent to us again in form of Qura'an

Shame on you trying to Hide the truth

I think the shame is all yours for trying to re-invent the truth and being such a pest and pain in in the neck

 

[Umar001]

Once the truth starts coming their no stoping it . I told you in my post everyone doesn't agree with you even some muslim . Shame on you trying to Hide the truth .

You still have not shown any actions towards the points, truth is clear for everyone, you finding it hard to answer and having this chit chat makes it even clearer.

All the post you have made you could have proved your 'truth' yet you talk about hiding things and laugh about questions without answering them.

Still waiting on the thread.

They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).​

 

[Balthasar21]

al habeshi is forthright and upfront about his convictions so I don't need to ask who he is, all I need to know is that he is my brother in Islaam as well as brother in humanity.

on the other hand argumentative liars who don't declare themselves and make false claim after claim, I have no time for and I would much rather have them removed for sake of peace and devote more time to those who actually do want to compare and learn for whatever purpose

That because your both cut from the same cloth trying to keep the truth Hidden . You or him can't change what have been written already no matter how hard you both try to hide the truth . You should read Quraan 17 ; 81

 

[Umar001]

I don't claim to have the whole truth and to posses everything in my mind.

All I ask for is evidences. When someone claims a word means something, then I ask how did you derive to such a conclusion. And if I hold a position I except the same to be done of me.

I do not see how in any way that is hiding truth. Rather to me that seems to be something useful to uncover the truth. But I guess some might not want that.

 

[Balthasar21]

You still have not shown any actions towards the points, truth is clear for everyone, you finding it hard to answer and having this chit chat makes it even clearer.

All the post you have made you could have proved your 'truth' yet you talk about hiding things and laugh about questions without answering them.

Still waiting on the thread.

They are deaf, dumb, and blind, so they return not (to the Right Path).​

Only fool duck when the truth is throw at them . I laugh because you really think keyword think your slik but your not . LOLOLOLOLOLOL By the way the truth I have given at the beginning of my post HAVE BEEN shown in the above post so it matter not what you believe or accept LOLOLOLOLOLOL . Twist the words of the quraan like you being doing not working is - it .

 

[Umar001]

Okey dokes, I guess there is no getting through to you.

So there is not much point in me posting off topic nor you nor anyone else.

Posts shall be on topic, i.e. whether the Qur'an obligates Muslism to read the Bible.

Anything other than that, like my previous statements to Balthasar21 which have not been on topic will be deleted.

Not to hide the truth as some might claim, because any new threads made on other such topics can be opened

 

[Balthasar21]

Okey dokes, I guess there is no getting through to you.

So there is not much point in me posting off topic nor you nor anyone else.

Posts shall be on topic, i.e. whether the Qur'an obligates Muslism to read the Bible.

Anything other than that, like my previous statements to Balthasar21 which have not been on topic will be deleted.

Not to hide the truth as some might claim, because any new threads made on other such topics can be opened

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Why did I Know you were going to do this Hummmm ego wasn't feed ...

 

[Umar001]

I'll just leave that one to show exactly the reason why I will delete off topic ones thanks for the classic example.

 

[zoro]

What really bothers me about the following quotations is that he was right.

• If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things.

• All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprhension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach.

• No matter what amount of talent is employed in the organization of propaganda, it will have no result if due account is not taken of these fundamental principles. Propaganda must be limited to a few simple themes and these must be represented again and again. Here, as in innumerable other cases, perseverance is the first and most important condition of success.

• How fortunate for leaders than men do not think.

• If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.

• Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.

• The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.

• The broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

• Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward.

• The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others.

The author, of course, was Hitler.

 

[Balthasar21]

I'll just leave that one to show exactly the reason why I will delete off topic ones thanks for the classic example.

Every one was on the topic until you flip the subject to something else , And that was because you didn't want to accept the truth about the quraan telling muslim to read the scriptures before the quraan and thats the bible , So now your going to delete anything you don't like to keep the truth Hidden . But let's be real here if you can , What you really fear it that the christians here might use what's being post against you and that scare the hell out of you doesn't

 

[Umar001]

Just curious, could you please link that to the topic.

Thank you for your patience.