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YahyaIbnSelam,

But how will we reach the hearts of the enemies? Those who attack the Prophet SAW is an enemy right? But many at Taif did that. Yet the Prophet SAW asked for their guidance..

I mean if we ONLY give dawah to the nice ones, what about those who are harsh against us? Shouldn't we try to give dawah to them?

So you are saying - if they are harsh, we are harsh. But how does harshness upon harshness bring them to Islam?
 
Defend the Syria people from Assad = Jihad.
Invade Jordan and capture the land = Jihad? I'm not so sure.​


We are not at the stage of invading Jordan, but Jordan is an ally of the USA and their intelligence agency works closely together with CIA.
Jordan was part of the Ottoman Empire, until it was invaded by the British (just like Egypt was invaded). And the law of Allah was being implemented.
Later they gave independence to Jordan, but the King of Jordan was on their side. And they also act how they want them to act. I think they are nothing else than a ''modern day colony'' or vassal state, just like Saudia Arabia, Egypt, etc.

 
There are people who take verses out of context and say "The Prophet SAW fought the kuffar on 12 fronts" some muslims make it sound not merciful.. Sorry to be blunt.

But I read a book on the Prophet SAW given by my relative, whom I trust, whom even when fighting the disbelievers just wanted them to believe.. Idk the authencity of the book.

Cuz my views are in conflict with the Quran.

What does the Quran say when you've been persecuted and after a tough battle, turn superior and victorious?
Do you mean the battle of the trench wich is what alot of non-muslims use to insult him and call him a warlord or not merciful (astagfirllah)
Where about 600 jews where executed ?
 
YahyaIbnSelam,

But how will we reach the hearts of the enemies? Those who attack the Prophet SAW is an enemy right? But many at Taif did that. Yet the Prophet SAW asked for their guidance..

I mean if we ONLY give dawah to the nice ones, what about those who are harsh against us? Shouldn't we try to give dawah to them?

So you are saying - if they are harsh, we are harsh. But how does harshness upon harshness bring them to Islam?

At the first stage you can also be kind to harsh people, but I think this ends somewhere. Prophet Muhammad (saw) later besieged Taif for example..
 
I don't know about guns, lol,....look at America, one thing that has really cost them is having such relaxed gun laws.

Altho, I think if we were allowed to carry pepper spray, that would be pretty good. I know it is allowed in Europe, like Spain and Switzerland.

Then how about a taser? I would shoot him with it and taser him mercilessly until the taser runs out of battery :D

If there's one thing that would really get me mad it is people invading my space. Who the hell do they think they are to touch or or put their rotten stinking breath and their yellow teeth in our faces :raging:

Or pepperspray! So many options hmmmmm :p
 
YahyaIbnSelam,

But how will we reach the hearts of the enemies? Those who attack the Prophet SAW is an enemy right? But many at Taif did that. Yet the Prophet SAW asked for their guidance..

I mean if we ONLY give dawah to the nice ones, what about those who are harsh against us? Shouldn't we try to give dawah to them?

So you are saying - if they are harsh, we are harsh. But how does harshness upon harshness bring them to Islam?

Like i said you have to asses the situation..
Some people insult as they dont know any better and are misguided from the media, and by telling them the truth then they understand and back-off or sometimes ask more questions...

Then there are those who just insult for the sake of insulting and just want to argue, and no matter how many times you tell them the truth they refuse to accept

Prophet mohammed s.a.w was a mercy to the whole of mankind not just muslims, we are meant to follow in his footsteps as best we can, even He had to fight wars to defend themselves.

There was a time where muslims where not allowed to wage war but could only use words to defend themselves i.e the Quran...
When the verses of war where sent down thats when they was allowed to use physicall force to defend themselves in wars.
(The verses of killing kuffar are all sent down during times of war but notice after every verse of killing them, there is always a verse of mercy after it showing that if they are to stop or want peace they must be shown mercy, even prisoners of war had to be fed waterd and looked after)
 
Do you mean the battle of the trench wich is what alot of non-muslims use to insult him and call him a warlord or not merciful (astagfirllah)
Where about 600 jews where executed ?

Idk about that. But I do remember an incident where a Jew did something and The Prophet SAW killed the whole tribe? May Allah SWT forgive me if I am wrong. I want that explained too.
At the first stage you can also be kind to harsh people, but I think this ends somewhere. Prophet Muhammad (saw) later besieged Taif for example..

Prophet SAW did that? bring proof. Cuz I mean, he SAW made dua for their offspring to become pious Muslims. If The Prophet SAW killed the Taif, there would be no off spring. Thus no pious people there. But there are. So pls explain.
 
Idk about that. But I do remember an incident where a Jew did something and The Prophet SAW killed the whole tribe? May Allah SWT forgive me if I am wrong. I want that explained too.


Prophet SAW did that? bring proof. Cuz I mean, he SAW made dua for their offspring to become pious Muslims. If The Prophet SAW killed the Taif, there would be no off spring. Thus no pious people there. But there are. So pls explain.
Yes that was the battle of the trench, i coverd this in my Quran class, im going to type out my notes of the tasfir i was taught... pls give me about 5 mins as its quite a lengthy story in sha Allah
 
YahyaIbnSelam,

But how will we reach the hearts of the enemies? Those who attack the Prophet SAW is an enemy right? But many at Taif did that. Yet the Prophet SAW asked for their guidance..

I mean if we ONLY give dawah to the nice ones, what about those who are harsh against us? Shouldn't we try to give dawah to them?

So you are saying - if they are harsh, we are harsh. But how does harshness upon harshness bring them to Islam?

Brother, we cannot guide anyone. It is Allah who guides!

These people are destined for the hellfire so let them be, let them talk trash, let them be kufr, for they will surely regret it when they meet their maker.

Concentrate or showing Islam to people who are open to listening. I think [MENTION=38843]Misbah0411[/MENTION] is a revert? Correct me if I am wrong. I am sure he did not revert because someone put a gun in his face or treated him harshly... no. I suspect his heart was open to Islam and Allah saw this and guided him.

Let the ignorant kufr be kufr... it's ok, let them. Focus on the kufr who have open minds. It is Allah that guides whom he wills and not everyone will be guided for their hearts are evil.
 
Assalamu Alaikum

Islam is simple.

Don't harm anyone that doesn't harm you. Don't fight anyone that's not fighting you.
Help individuals that need to be helped (regardless of religion).
Be kind to everyone, but don't be so close to a disbeliever that they are able to sway you and influence you away from your deen, or take enemies of Islam as friends.

Concentrate on jihadul nafs more because this is what will benefit you right now. You're not in a state where you have to fight anyone physically so you can learn about that for the sake of expanding your knowledge, but otherwise it's not something you will need right now. The different types of jihad have different rulings, so you'll have to learn about each of those separately.
 
Assalamu Alaikum

Islam is simple.

Don't harm anyone that doesn't harm you. Don't fight anyone that's not fighting you.
Help individuals that need to be helped (regardless of religion).
Be kind to everyone, but don't be so close to a disbeliever that they are able to sway you and influence you away from your deen, or take enemies of Islam as friends.

Concentrate on jihadul nafs more because this is what will benefit you right now. You're not in a state where you have to fight anyone physically so you can learn about that for the sake of expanding your knowledge, but otherwise it's not something you will need right now. The different types of jihad have different rulings, so you'll have to learn about each of those separately.

best advice
 
I see. Islam is very simple. But what do I do when I come across ayats that seem to suggest fighting etc. And invading other countries in Jihad?

Cuz I read an ayat once that to go in Jihad for the sake of Allah SWT is a righteous, pious deed. So I thought "so is killing people a praiseworthy deed?" Which is wrong, perhaps, the ayat meant in Jihad......

Astaghfirgullah if I said any wrong. There are just some disturbing thoughts I get when I read Quran. Like very negative, etc. I really want to love Allah SWT more, but when I read the Quran.. I am probably a munaafiq. :/

Some muslims say "All kafirs are Enemies!'' and quote 60:4 for Al wala wal bara.

There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination. 60:4

I try to be as bold as possible.
 
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Assalamu alaykum

That term, al wala wal bara, loving and hating for the sake of Allah swt, is an extremely broad term. It applies to practically everything, we should hold fast to all that that is pleasing to Allah swt, and withdrawing from all that which is displeasing to Him.

In terms of jihad, if you read through the conditions of jihad which are closely regulated by Shariah law, then we are only allowed to attack others when we are being attacked or in fear of it. Islam is an extremely merciful religion, to kill anyone for no reason is a grave sin, however it is also a practical deen so pacifism wouldn't do, so we are only allowed to take part in war through self-defence. And even then, we are forbidden from killing non-combatants, or monks, or women, children and the elderly...there are so many strict guidelines regarding jihad subhanAllah.

As for how we should be with non-Muslims, the Qur'an uses the term awliya when cautioning us, this word has many levels of meanings and in this context I read some scholars say means a very, very close friend or teacher or guardian, whom we would take spiritual advice from - which should obviously only be from a Muslim. The Prophet (pbuh) was very polite and merciful when with non-Muslims - if we had no contact with them then how on earth would we be able to give dawah for our beautiful religion?

The Qur'anic ayats need to be taken into context - context is very important. Islam is a religion of mercy and compassion, we must be compassionate to even birds and creatures let alone other humans, unfortunately it is portrayed often as a religion of jihad and warfare. We should be focusing more in the greater Jihad inshaAllah, any desires and flaws we see within ourselves.

I'm not a scholar obviously, just a lay person, but I remember reading an article on this - inshaAllah I'll try and find it to give a more scholarly review.

you got a point, I think. Yes there is Jihad by the sword, but that doesn't mean I go and take an AK-47 and kill kuffar around the block In the name of Islam - not Islamic.

Cuz you can't just kill people. Many seem to kill people and label it Jihad. Killing civilians or taking Jihad under your control, as laymen, ain't our job. Afaik.


Serinity my bro,
I understand the pain in having Islam slandered
but you also must remember that this has been going on since the life of the Prophet SAW.
And during his SAW's life, the Quraysh's insults were not enough to warrant a war, or any killing.
The Muslims at the time went to battle when we were attacked, or provoked to war.
Even after as the Islamic Empire expanded, we did not kill the nonbelievers on the basis of theirnon-belief or whether their words were insulting or not, but rather whether they accepted rule under the Muslims with Jizya or not.
The nonbelievers were allowed to retain their religions and even allowed to retain their laws as long as they complied to their alliance under Muslim rule.
Even when Muhammad SAW, conquered Makkah, the pagans of Makkah who had treated the Muslims so terribly and Muhammad SAW so mercilessly were worried about how the Muslims would act. Muhammad SAW, never considered their past offensive words or actions, and treated them with mercy, and they accepted Islam by the drives thereafter.
However when we are in battle, in the midst of a war, then we have to be steadfast and go through with all the necessary actions, and there are verses and Hadith addressing that, but even then the Muslims treated their enemies with fairness and respect.
We are not the ones to judge hearts.
Our purpose is to worship Allah alone, invite to Islam, and defend Islam through our behaviour deeds and actions, but we have no right to go about killing with vigilante justice without any governing body and scholarly analysis.

Whenever we feel confused we must seek Guidance from Allah, and look to the life, actions, and character of Muhammad SAW.
 
I wish guns were allowed in the UK. If they put their hands on us we could gun en down, but not to kill them. Just shoot them where it hurts and watch as they roll around screaming in pain :raging: ;D That will teach you for messing with the muslimahs!

lol there's America for that.

only problem is everyone has guns,
and you have to pay obscene amounts for medical.

Not that UK medicine is cheap, it's taken out of taxes
 
I see. Islam is very simple. But what do I do when I come across ayats that seem to suggest fighting etc. And invading other countries in Jihad?

Cuz I read an ayat once that to go in Jihad for the sake of Allah SWT is a righteous, pious deed. So I thought "so is killing people a praiseworthy deed?" Which is wrong, perhaps, the ayat meant in Jihad......

Astaghfirgullah if I said any wrong. There are just some disturbing thoughts I get when I read Quran. Like very negative, etc. I really want to love Allah SWT more, but when I read the Quran.. I am probably a munaafiq. :/

Some muslims say "All kafirs are Enemies!'' and quote 60:4 for Al wala wal bara.

There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination. 60:4

I try to be as bold as possible.

If you travelled to Syria and fought Assad with FSA surely this can only be legitimate jihad. He is slaughtering our people for heavens sake! Invading a country which does the muslims no harm is not legitimate.

The Palestinians stabbing jewish [soldiers] would be legitimate jihad in my eyes because they're being persecuted and harmed. One needs to distinguish between legitimate jihad and illegitimate jihad. For this it's best to consult knowledgable scholars. Not Anwar al-Awlak or these other uneducated Muslims who because they lead a jihadist group they think they actually know anything.


Please watch brother Serinity

 
I see. Islam is very simple. But what do I do when I come across ayats that seem to suggest fighting etc. And invading other countries in Jihad?

Cuz I read an ayat once that to go in Jihad for the sake of Allah SWT is a righteous, pious deed. So I thought "so is killing people a praiseworthy deed?" Which is wrong, perhaps, the ayat meant in Jihad......

Astaghfirgullah if I said any wrong. There are just some disturbing thoughts I get when I read Quran. Like very negative, etc. I really want to love Allah SWT more, but when I read the Quran.. I am probably a munaafiq. :/

Some muslims say "All kafirs are Enemies!'' and quote 60:4 for Al wala wal bara.

There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone" except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allah . Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination. 60:4

I try to be as bold as possible.

When you come across an ayah that you don't fully understand, continue reading the Quran because sometimes other ayahs clear it up, and sometimes certain ayahs are there for a very specific reason. I also highly recommend you read the tafsir of the Quran so you can understand some of the background of why the ayah was sent down or it's significance. In the Quran it also may have what seems to be opposing ayahs. For example you mentioned the ayah where it says "to kill them wherever you find them" but there's also an ayah that says "if you kill one person unjustly than it is as if you have killed all of mankind" so you have to be aware that Allah is most just and no one is allowed to kill anyone unjustly even if they are a nonbeliever. If you are being fought against and people are being killed around you, THEN as a way to defend yourself and protect the innocent, you may fight back. No one likes to fight or kill, in fact you may even hate it, you may even not want to do it when people are being unjustly slayed in front of you..but you have to do what you hate sometimes for the greater good. To put ourselves in a position to help someone is actually difficult (ever heard of the bystander effect?) so to do it for the sake of Allah when we don't want to do it because we are afraid or whatever reason... is considered a type of jihad, but be aware that there are rules for this type of jihad so this doesn't mean you go and kill anyone that looks like they are doing something wrong.

Do you know the story of Ibrahim (as)? I think if you look into that you may understand the ayah more. Also if you do a search you might find some insightful posts by members with greater knowledge inshallah.
 
I also want to mention that when you read the quran, your mind is going to be critical because this is your religion, your pride, and you want it to be perfect. The quran is meant to get your mind working and asking question, but it also answers those questions as you continue along. People who have not read the Quran will pick these ayahs and say the most vile things because they are seeing it from the perspective already disbelieving and hating Islam, and you're seeing it from the perspective of someone who wants to discover islam...so inshallah you will get the benefit. You will get even more benefit from it when you learn Arabic inshallah because the way the words are put together and how they're used is incredibly powerful and amazing. May Allah give us all the chance to learn and implement the Quran the way it's meant to be learned and implemented ameen.
 
battle of the trench




when prophet Mohammed s.a.w arrived in Medina the jews there welcomed him, there was 3 tribes (Banu Qainuka’a, Banu nazir & Banu Qurayza)
They lived in harmony for some time, recognised Prophet Mohammed s.a.w as their leader & agreed to help fight with them if the enemies (Quraysh) tried to attack again. (the jews where allowed to practise their religion freely and had their rights)
The friendliness between them started to brake down as some of the jews had reservations towards the muslims and prophet Mohammed s.a.w, which they ended causing trouble in the lands, they where given many warnings to stop but they continued to make trouble, so they where exiled from the land. (Banu nazir plotted to kill prophet Mohammed s.a.w, but where found out)
The jewish tribe that was allowed to stay was the Banu Qurayza and a new agreement was formed with them.


once exiled banu Nazir carried on their plots to kill prophet Mohammed s.a.w and the muslims, so some of the leaders went to inlist the help of others, they also went to Mecca to enlist the help of the mushrikeen (Quraysh) who where more than happy to aid them against the muslims, between all the enemies they had between 10-12 thousand soldiers in the army, which would have been the biggest army against the 3000 or so muslims.


The muslims learned of the impending attack, and a meeting was called as to what to do or how to handle the attack, as they where greatly outnumbered, a suggestion was made to build a trench around them using the mountains and houses as natural barriers (Salman made the suggestion ?) they only had a week to prepare for the arrival of the invading forces, they worked day and night during the harshness of winter with little food or water.
The muslims where worried Banu qurayza would break their treaty with them, but Banu Qurayza explained they would not betray the muslims will stand by them to fight.


After 6 days the enemies arrived, but couldn't get over the trench nor could their horses jump over, anytime they got close the muslims would push them back, during this time an enemy was able to sneak in and convinced Banu Qurayza to break their treaty with the muslims and attack them from inside and block their way to food and water and let troops in through their side of the fortress to capture women children and the while the men guarded the trench
…Prophet Mohammed heard of this news and sent someone to clarify if this was true, he then sent men to defend the city on that side, (one in Banu qurayza reverted to islam without them knowing and told the Quraysh that the Banu qurayza wanted to keep some of their leaders as collateral incase the attack was not successful) (this was done to cause dispute among the enemies which worked) during this time Banu qurayza & the Quraysh where disputing due to this and had not attacked.


As many people heard this, some muslims left the war in fear as they where even more outnumbered than before and wondered when Allah's help would come,(near the end of the siege) Prophet Mohammed made dua to Allah and that very night a heavy wind/sandstorm that overturned enemies tents, blew away their supplies, blew out their fires etc, The muslims where not touched at all in anyway.& sent angels to help
Prophet Mohammed sent one of his men on a mission to find out what the enemy where up to and found out the men wanted to leave as they couldn't get past the trench, their supplies had been swept away by the wind, their animals where dying, they lost their never and heart and began to withdraw (the Quraysh and their allies)


Banu Qurayza stayed in their fortress, while the muslims where rejoicing from their victory, Jibreel a.s told prophet Mohammed to march upon banu Qurayza as they had broken their treaty and should be punished.
A sahabi went to go and speak to them & tell them their options, he accidentally indicated that if they surrendered they would be executed for committing treason
(1. they turn to islam 2. kill their women and children 3.attack (it was the sabbath for them)
Banu Qurayza chose to be punished by what the Torah says for their actions, they choose to be executed upon their own jewish laws, their women and children where taken as captives
the siege lasted for 25-30 days all together

May Allah forgive me if i had made any mistakes or written anything wrong..
(this is from Surah Al Ahzab)

(please note that the punishment for treason in every country is death, even use, uk etc )

(sorry for the loooong read LOL)
 
Greetings and peace be with you EgyptPrincess;

I wish guns were allowed in the UK. If they put their hands on us we could gun en down, but not to kill them.

If you have guns, they will have guns, this would not be a good place to live.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people,

Eric
 
on another note, this is why it is upon every muslim to seek knowledge so that we laymen may understand our religion and not think bad or wrong things of islam.
maybe take up a tasfir course in sha Allah as they go through every single verse and explain, why this verse was sent and give the context in which it can be used and the misconceptions that come with certain verses.

as i said the verses of war and killing where send down during times of war only, not general day to day verses.
before the verses about drinking alcohol came down, they used to drink heavily some people where drunks, as soon as the verse was revealed they immediately destroyed all alcohol and got rid of it..

we cannot use verses meant for times of war on our day to day basis, this is why i re-iterate the importance of learning or even taking online courses which cover tasfir, verses will always be used out of context while people have no knowledge of the time it was sent down, as some where sent down for specific reasons for specific times which can not be used in other times..... i.e verses on war

prophet Mohammed himself lived in peace with christians, jews, non believers, he gave them rights and protection and treated them fairly and honourably, and they also lived peacefully (well some of them)
we cannot paint every kaffir as an enemy, maybe some of them will become muslim and have a higher status than you in the sight of Allah, only Allah knows, we are meant to be inviting and kind and peaceful, but with every absolute right to defend ourselves and not transgress the limits of Allah set out for us.
 

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