Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?

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A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

we have a better prayer:

Qul Huwa Allāhu 'Aĥadun

translation:
Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)): "He is Allāh, (the) One. (Al-Ikhlas 112:1)

Allāhu Aş-Şamadu

translation:
"Allāh-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). (Al-Ikhlas 112:2)

Lam Yalid Wa Lam Yūlad

translation:
"He begets not, nor was He begotten; (Al-Ikhlas 112:3)

Walam Yakun Lahu Kufūan 'Aĥadun

translation:
"And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (Al-Ikhlas 112:4)

by the way, over 1,000,000,000 people know that prayer in it's original language! :thumbs_up

that being the case, that makes your post:
Now, I could see how thinking that Jesus is an angel or just a prophet can be an insult when He is according to Scripture in the very nature God!
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an anethema to Muslims. also, you post is incorrect, we have Scriptures and no where in them do they relate to Jesus/Isa(as) being anything but a Prophet. so unless you say "according to the "Christian Scriptures[as they now exisit]", that statement will never be accepted here.

listen to Uncle Woodrow! nice post, btw! :D

Very good points. I feel you are very close to seeing the truth. You have come a long ways in the past few days and I believe you do have a strong desire to serve Allah(swt) and submit to His will.Perhaps without even understanding why. You were attracted to this forum because as a moth is attracted to a candle, your own inner search has guided you to the light.

all that remains is for you to shed the shackles and chains that hold you captive, and come foreward to serve and submit to the will of Allah(swt) alone.

You have read and heard the truth, now the choice is yours alone
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:)

:w:
 
Your sincerity is not doubted. I do not believe you came to insult Muslims. But, I do believe that you came with little knowledge as to what a Muslim believes and who it is we Worship.

Yes, I can understand why a Christian would have a strong desire to win somebody over to his/her beliefs. I do accept it is out of love.

Yes, as Muslims we do desire to see all people to earn the rewards of jannah. we do desire to see them serve Allah(swt) and to serve Allah(swt) alone.

However, I do not believe there are many Muslims that want to convert anybody. We know that as humans we can not convert a single person. That has to be though Allah(swt) alone. We have no desire to have any person to revert to Islam without knowledge of what Islam is and for them to revert only because in their heart they know it is the only way to serve Allah(swt) as he has commanded us to.

We also know that some people will always be deaf and blind to the word of Allah(swt) and we accept the fact that is all in accordance with the will of Allah(swt). We know that those who recognise they are Muslim will revert to what they were born as. Those that do not revert we know will be rewarded and or punished in accordance to the will of Allah(swt) Inshallah

These are my own opinions and come from my limited understanding. Astagfirullah
 
A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

here's the real bottom line:

Jews have a religion founded by Moses(as), yet hey don't follow the sunnah of him; they follow the sunnah of Ezra.

"Christians have a religion founded(allegedly) by Jesus/Isa(as), yet they don't follow the sunnah of him(as); the follow the sunnah of Saul/Paul of Tarsus.

Muslims have a religion "revived" by and perfected for us by Allah(SWT) and given to Muhammad ibn Abdullah(saws) AND they follow his(saws) Sunnah!

see the difference??

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Woodrow said:
Very good points. I feel you are very close to seeing the truth. You have come a long ways in the past few days and I believe you do have a strong desire to serve Allah(swt) and submit to His will.

I have no trouble in agreeing to your prayer.



Perhaps without even understanding why. You were attracted to this forum because as a moth is attracted to a candle, your own inner search has guided you to the light.

all that remains is for you to shed the shackles and chains that hold you captive, and come foreward to serve and submit to the will of Allah(swt) alone.

You have read and heard the truth, now the choice is yours alone.
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If that is the way God would have me go, I would have no problem with it, but I am rooted and grounded in Christ much deeper that you can probably ever imagine at this point in time. I am sure you can say the same about Islam; however, I do appreciate the encouragement you gave me about how I have come along in these past few days and especially that we have a prayer to agree on. I will hold fast to this prayer even try to do it on a daily basis, because no matter how deep the deception is, there is no hole we can fall into that is deeper than God's love for us. Personally, I have liked you from the day I place my first post.
Sincerely,
aj
 
I have a major problem with some people stating that a Christian who describes his or her beliefs are "spouting obscenities". If you don't share my faith, that is your right and between you and God. Some of the things Muslims "spout" about Jesus Christ disturb me, as they aren't my beliefs, but I would never characterize them as "obscenities". I find that to be awfully disrespectful and fairly venomous in the context of having a worthwhile discussion.
 
These are my own opinions and come from my limited understanding
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:sl:

You are doing it so beautifully, many a time I hang my head in shame that I am not quite like you yet despite the fact that I was born into a family who already believed in the concept of tawheed.

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Keltoi said:
I have a major problem with some people stating that a Christian who describes his or her beliefs are "spouting obscenities". If you don't share my faith, that is your right and between you and God. Some of the things Muslims "spout" about Jesus Christ disturb me, as they aren't my beliefs, but I would never characterize them as "obscenities". I find that to be awfully disrespectful and fairly venomous in the context of having a worthwhile discussion.
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I can understand that Keltoi and I understand it was my words that you saw. However. In Arabic to say "Son of God" is very obscene and considered profanity by many if not most Arabic Speaking people. I realise that most non- Arab speakers are unaware of what it's connontation is in Arabic. But, honeslty it is not very nice and nothing that would be said in mixed company.
 
Keltoi said:
I have a major problem with some people stating that a Christian who describes his or her beliefs are "spouting obscenities". If you don't share my faith, that is your right and between you and God. Some of the things Muslims "spout" about Jesus Christ disturb me, as they aren't my beliefs, but I would never characterize them as "obscenities". I find that to be awfully disrespectful and fairly venomous in the context of having a worthwhile discussion.
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i thought that was resolved, brother keltoi, that we were going to bury the hatchet and all that.:cry:
 
Woodrow said:
Your sincerity is not doubted. I do not believe you came to insult Muslims. But, I do believe that you came with little knowledge as to what a Muslim believes and who it is we Worship.

Yes, I can understand why a Christian would have a strong desire to win somebody over to his/her beliefs. I do accept it is out of love.

Yes, as Muslims we do desire to see all people to earn the rewards of jannah. we do desire to see them serve Allah(swt) and to serve Allah(swt) alone.

However, I do not believe there are many Muslims that want to convert anybody. We know that as humans we can not convert a single person. That has to be though Allah(swt) alone. We have no desire to have any person to revert to Islam without knowledge of what Islam is and for them to revert only because in their heart they know it is the only way to serve Allah(swt) as he has commanded us to.

We also know that some people will always be deaf and blind to the word of Allah(swt) and we accept the fact that is all in accordance with the will of Allah(swt). We know that those who recognise they are Muslim will revert to what they were born as. Those that do not revert we know will be rewarded and or punished in accordance to the will of Allah(swt) Inshallah

These are my own opinions and come from my limited understanding. Astagfirullah
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I cannot believe that we so much in common. I believe the same that we cannot convert anyone. If you and I could, than that would beg the question: whose converts are they God’s or ours?? But maybe you can understand something about how Christianity is working in my life. Even though I know I cannot win someone to Christ as his or her Savior, it doesn't stop me from trying because that is what I believe that God wants me to do. It goes totally against my convictions not to try to share my faith with the hopes of God drawing that person to Christ. Woe unto me if I don't preach!!!! I have been asking God for wisdom on how I can share without hurting anyone; so, if there is anything good about me, it is the Lord's doing; if there is anything bad, it is my doing.
Peace
aj
 
NoName55 said:
i thought that was resolved, brother keltoi, that we were going to bury the hatchet and all that.:cry:
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Keltoi has a right to be upset. I did not explain clear enough to him as to what the connontation "Son of God" as when it is translated into Arabic.

Keltoi I do apologise for not making that clear. sadly many Christians do not understand Arabic connotations and how something that sounds harmless in English can be vulgar when it is translated into Arabic.
 
Woodrow said:
I can understand that Keltoi and I understand it was my words that you saw. However. In Arabic to say "Son of God" is very obscene and considered profanity by many if not most Arabic Speaking people. I realise that most non- Arab speakers are unaware of what it's connontation is in Arabic. But, honeslty it is not very nice and nothing that would be said in mixed company.
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That is all well and good, but in the context of a religious discussion, which I hope is intended to foster more inter-faith understanding, is it really necessary to express that "outrage" at people who you know very well aren't using it in a negative way? The only thing one can take away from that is that you believe my faith is an obscenity. That is obviously your right, but hardly constructive. Perhaps I'm simply looking at things in the wrong way, but it struck me negatively.

*After Woodrow's more thorough explanation I understand more clearly the purpose of stating that, even if I do find it somewhat irrelevant for the purposes of discussion.
 
Keltoi said:
That is all well and good, but in the context of a religious discussion, which I hope is intended to foster more inter-faith understanding, is it really necessary to express that "outrage" at people who you know very well aren't using it in a negative way? The only thing one can take away from that is that you believe my faith is an obscenity. That is obviously your right, but hardly constructive. Perhaps I'm simply looking at things in the wrong way, but it struck me negatively.
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Of course it struck you negatively. You have very deep convictions about you faith.

It was not my intent to come across that strong. I was trying to get a point across as to how an Evangelical often is perceived by us Muslims. Their intent may be good, but that is not what we perceive.
 
Woodrow said:
Of course it struck you negatively. You have very deep convictions about you faith.

It was not my intent to come across that strong. I was trying to get a point across as to how an Evangelical often is perceived by us Muslims. Their intent may be good, but that is not what we perceive.
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Fair enough. I suppose when we get passed the polite back and forth, we are still miles apart in our faith. Both religions have deep convictions, and we both believe the other to be mistaken in their faith.

Just to clarify, I know Woodrow's intention wasn't to insult anyone. So I wasn't taking this as a personal attack or anything of the kind.
 
Fair enough.

Now let us return to our regularly scheduled broadcast. ie: Let this thread return back to topic.
 
YusufNoor said:
A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu

here's the real bottom line:

Jews have a religion founded by Moses(as), yet hey don't follow the sunnah of him; they follow the sunnah of Ezra.

"Christians have a religion founded(allegedly) by Jesus/Isa(as), yet they don't follow the sunnah of him(as); the follow the sunnah of Saul/Paul of Tarsus.

Muslims have a religion "revived" by and perfected for us by Allah(SWT) and given to Muhammad ibn Abdullah(saws) AND they follow his(saws) Sunnah!

see the difference??

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Yes, I do. The difference is huge.
 
In all seriousness though, both Christians and Muslims should take heart in the fact that two major religions point to the life of Jesus. Whether one believes Jesus to be divine or only a prophet, both faiths have benefited from His Word.

If only our Jewish brothers and sisters could have that same benefit.
 
So we all agree that Christ was not crucified and rose to heaven and is coming back?

*That was an attempt at being serious :)

Not only a prophet but also a messenger, His Word and Mesih
 
alapiana1 said:
Yes, I do. The difference is huge.
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Yes, it is. Perhaps the only thing most of us can hope to accomplish is to co-exist. Our ways to serve Allah(swt) will always be our own choice and we will all live with the result of our own choice.

The differences between Christian and Muslim will not come to Mutual agreement of passages in both the Bible and the Qur'an. The fact is one is in error.

For a long time I believed the bible was the true word of Allah(swt) I did commit shirk and worshiped Jesus(as) as the Son of God. I did believe the bible and the bible did verify that belief.

I have no need to disprove the Bible. I finally came to the understanding that the Qur'an is the True word of Allah(swt) and the writings of any other book are of no concern. I firmly believe in the truth of the Qur'an and I am very much relaxed and pleased to know that when I leave this earth it will be as a Muslim.

When I said the Shahdah, I knew I was finally free of the errors I had been taught and accepted as truth. I knew the chains were broken and I have grasped a firm grip on the rope of Allah(swt) I know the rope of Allah(swt) is stronger than the chains of slavery were and it will not break. I pray that Allah(swt) will continue to grant me the strength to hold fast to that rope and keep me from loosening my grip. Yet, I also know that as long as I have faith, that even if I start to slip he will make my grip firm Inshallah.
 
I posted before I finished.

With what I stated, I do not believe Christ(as) died on the Cross.
 

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