yes
make do with an ebook for now
http://www.islamicboard.com/682557-post1.html
free to order
http://freequran.org/
some info
http://allahsquran.com/
Did Jesus die and rise from the dead?
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http://www.islamicboard.com/682557-post1.html
free to order
http://freequran.org/
some info
http://allahsquran.com/
Islamic Bookstores sell Qur'ans. i can provide links.
however, you can find translations online easilly. i use this site for Hadeeths:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
there are also a few hardcovers that i recommend.
also, take a visit to any mosque/masjid in your area, just take your shoes of before you go inside, and ask them if they will give an english translation. i try to caveat that a Qur'an without Tafseer will leave you puzzled; and without Seerah (life of the Prophet[pbuh]), it's not easy either.
i can provide links to both, if you wish.
May Allah(SWT) reward you for your interest and may He(SWT) grant you guidance. Ameen!
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there are a number of sites that offer them. Keep in mind though is most of the sites are owned by individuals and with no financial backing from any organized groups. As Muslims we are not permitted to sell a Qur'an for profit and if at all possible we are to give them away freely. This includes translations. Some operate on very low income and can only handle a few each month. But, if they accepted your request, you can be certain you will get it eventually.
You may also try a few more sites. It is always best to have several translations as by comparing the translations you will get a closer understanding of what the Arabic connontation is.
Here are a few more sites to try.
http://www.freequran.org/
http://islamtomorrow.com/everything/freequran.asp
This next link has several links about half way down the page. where you may obtain one
http://godlas.myweb.uga.edu/primsourcisl.html
This next one is a heavy hard bound edition that sells in Books stores for $55. CAIRN offers it for the shipping cost of $7.95
https://www.cair.com/explorethequran/request.asp
i love that one and was going to recommend it! :thumbs_up
and maybe, Insha' Allah, i'll pass on that link to some people!!!
JazakAllah Khair, Unlce!
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You said, "you posted this of your own free will, NOW, i'm asking you for contemperaneous evidence for what you posted! is there any? i'm relatively certain that you'll post some "faith" issues other than facts or evidence, BUT, YOUR Bilbe says in 1 Thessalonians 5:21:
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
so, in order to be in agreement with YOUR Bible, please PROVE you statement. if you have no contemperaneous evidence, WHATSOEVER, then ACCORDING to YOUR BIBLE, we must dismiss the fable that you wrote!
do you understand this?"
Do you realize what your saying here? You saying if I use the Bible as my source we must dismiss my comments as fables. That is saying that the Book that is sacred to us Christians is just a bunch of fables, but if I imply such a thing about the Qur'an you will have my head for it. I have a problem with that senario. Maybe we should show a little more respect for the books that have started to two greatest relighions in the world. When Jesus comes back, it will be one great religion, beause we will all know the truth. Am sure you will agree.
They told Jesus to prove himself, but He remained silent! SELAH
Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life, No MAN COMES UNTO THE FATHER (Allah, GOD, THE Lord) BUT BY ME."
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
so, in order to be in agreement with YOUR Bible, please PROVE you statement. if you have no contemperaneous evidence, WHATSOEVER, then ACCORDING to YOUR BIBLE, we must dismiss the fable that you wrote!
do you understand this?"
Do you realize what your saying here? You saying if I use the Bible as my source we must dismiss my comments as fables. That is saying that the Book that is sacred to us Christians is just a bunch of fables, but if I imply such a thing about the Qur'an you will have my head for it. I have a problem with that senario. Maybe we should show a little more respect for the books that have started to two greatest relighions in the world. When Jesus comes back, it will be one great religion, beause we will all know the truth. Am sure you will agree.
They told Jesus to prove himself, but He remained silent! SELAH
Jesus said, I am the way the truth and the life, No MAN COMES UNTO THE FATHER (Allah, GOD, THE Lord) BUT BY ME."
Salaam,
i'm just asking you to provide contemperaneous evidence for your story. that's all. and this is in regards to the Christian stories, i haven't asked anything about the Torah or Tanakh. besides there's some evidence that Moses(as) and Joshua wrote a good deal of the Torah! we have no such evidence with the "New" Testament.
you MAY make such remarks regarding the Qur'an, but not a single Ayat was included that was not written down in the prescence of the Rasulullah(pbuh)! so you might make the remark, but it would be false...
as far as being disrespectful, you should consider that from a Muslim perpective you are accusing Jesus/Isa(as) of LYING! of claiming that he(as) said that he(as) was God!! you did this on a Muslim website, so you've got know that we aren't going to buy it! if i was to go a Christian website and call you all liars and fools, THAT would be disrespectful; but you came here to preach YOUR religion! some of us, might consider THAT disrespectful. so, if you want to post something that is, in our opinion, blatantly false, you can see why we would ask you to prove it.
so, to recap: can you provide any evidence from eyewitnesses to the original post that you made?
VERY simple question. of course the logical answer isn't what you want to admit to, but i'm asking you to try.
if you can't, then we'll just have to assume that your original post was false as there is no contemperaneous evidence to back it up.
and yes, you can await the return of Jesus/Isa(as) for clarification; i'll wait along with you...
[but of course, you don't need to wait for his(as) return to become a Muslim. you can start with La Ilaha IllAllah; there is no God, but Allah!]
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Brother YusufNoor brought up a very good point.
This is one reason it is difficult to keep a debate between Muslims and Christians from becoming an argument. those of us that are Reverts are usually aware of the Christian perspective and it does not come as a shock.
But, for Muslims who have had limited conversations with Christians the words of the NT come across as being very blasphemous and very degrading of the Prophet Isa(as). It is seen as calling Isa(as) a liar and accusing him of shirk in the highest level possible. also some of the statements that Christians say about Isa(as) are not only Blasphemous. They are vulgar to the point of being profanity.
So the immediate reaction a Muslim has when a Christian begins speaking about Isa(as)in the Christian context, is that the Christian is blaspheming Isa(as) Calling Isa(as) a liar and doing all of this with extreme profanity.
The Muslim connotation of hearing the NT is very repulsive and very insulting to Allah(swt) and to Isa(as). So, it is difficult for anger to be controlled.
I think many Christians would be upset if a Muslim went to a Christian site and suddenly began spouting obscenities about Isa(as). Of course a Muslim would never deliberately do that as we do love Isa(as) and he is a very beloved Prophet(PBUH)
But, in essence that is what a Muslim sees a Christian doing when a Christian begins quoting from the NT.
This is one reason it is difficult to keep a debate between Muslims and Christians from becoming an argument. those of us that are Reverts are usually aware of the Christian perspective and it does not come as a shock.
But, for Muslims who have had limited conversations with Christians the words of the NT come across as being very blasphemous and very degrading of the Prophet Isa(as). It is seen as calling Isa(as) a liar and accusing him of shirk in the highest level possible. also some of the statements that Christians say about Isa(as) are not only Blasphemous. They are vulgar to the point of being profanity.
So the immediate reaction a Muslim has when a Christian begins speaking about Isa(as)in the Christian context, is that the Christian is blaspheming Isa(as) Calling Isa(as) a liar and doing all of this with extreme profanity.
The Muslim connotation of hearing the NT is very repulsive and very insulting to Allah(swt) and to Isa(as). So, it is difficult for anger to be controlled.
I think many Christians would be upset if a Muslim went to a Christian site and suddenly began spouting obscenities about Isa(as). Of course a Muslim would never deliberately do that as we do love Isa(as) and he is a very beloved Prophet(PBUH)
But, in essence that is what a Muslim sees a Christian doing when a Christian begins quoting from the NT.
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The reverse is also true. I find the Muslim perspective on Christ to be quite blasphemous, since it rejects His divinity and denies His suffering on the cross. However, I am able listen and explore Islam's version of Christ without being offended, because I know it is a sincere belief. While I may not accept it, neither do I attack it.
beg to differ, If I may, for the reason highlighted in quote below
Originally Posted by Woodrow
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I think many Christians would be upset if a Muslim went to a Christian site and suddenly began spouting obscenities about Isa(as). Of course a Muslim would never deliberately do that as we do love Isa(as) and he is a very beloved Prophet(PBUH)
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beg to differ, If I may, for the reason highlighted in quote below
Are you suggesting that a Christian has come here spouting obscenities about Jesus Christ? The fact that your faith isn't my faith doesn't mean one is "spouting obscenities" about Christ. We as Christians hold Jesus Christ much higher in esteem than Muslims, as a consequence of our faith. Calling our beliefs "obscenities" might be your right, but is hardly constructive in the context of comparative religion.
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Yes, that is true, but my head is hanging by a thread right now.LOL
Good night
peace to you brother of humanity
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And here in lies a difficulty that we all need to circumvent. Those of us who are Muslim need to recognize that Christians do not necessarily intend to offend us. Those who are Christian need to understand that we as Muslims do not intend to offend them.
But, the fact is each of us has beliefs that are alien to the other.
We need to be aware that because somebody says something we disagree with does not mean they are trying to start an argument.
We need to be aware that the things we say will touch sensitive spots in other people and what they say will touch sensitive spots in us.
This does not mean we should be afraid to speak what we believe, but it does mean we should be aware of how others will interpret it.
By making a small step to understand how our words affect others, we may learn to avoid personal attacks and what we see as wrong may not be a deliberate offence against us.
I should add that Keltoi has put forth effort to respect our differences peacefully.
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A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu
Greetings of Peace Brother Keltoi,
knowing that you began your involvement in this thread with this post, one can see that even you had concerns regarding it! one must assume that the Brother who started the thread is either proseletyzing or just insulting Muslims and/or Islam.
yes, one could easily assume that to be the case. as Muslims are advised against the use of swear words, an obscenity would actually be ascribing lies to Allah(SWT) and His(SWT) Messengers(as). perhaps you overlooked Unlcle Woodrow's post:
now, let me take issue with this statement:
not from our point of view you don't. attributing lies to him(as), as is our belief that you do, is not a very good way of showing you esteem for someone!
i WOULD grant you that you give him(as) HIGHER RANK than we do, ie, status of God, but that in no way implies that you hold in higher esteem that we do. in fact, as i already pointed out, in our opinion, it actually insults him(as)!
you may have you beliefs and opinions, but that doesn't mean that they are facts.
i can't see inside your heart, but i get the feeling that you rather "jumped back in" in this thread to assist a fellow Christian and that you may have responded just a bit more emphatically than you really felt called for. BUT that is not fact, just my belief and opinion!
i know you to be one of the most fairminded folks that post here and i'm just giving you my point of view. if i have offended you, please accept my sincere apologies
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A`udhu Billahi mina Shaytanir Rajeem,
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
Assalamu alaykum wa'rahma-tullahi, wa'barakatahu
Greetings of Peace Brother Keltoi,
knowing that you began your involvement in this thread with this post, one can see that even you had concerns regarding it! one must assume that the Brother who started the thread is either proseletyzing or just insulting Muslims and/or Islam.
yes, one could easily assume that to be the case. as Muslims are advised against the use of swear words, an obscenity would actually be ascribing lies to Allah(SWT) and His(SWT) Messengers(as). perhaps you overlooked Unlcle Woodrow's post:
now, let me take issue with this statement:
not from our point of view you don't. attributing lies to him(as), as is our belief that you do, is not a very good way of showing you esteem for someone!
i WOULD grant you that you give him(as) HIGHER RANK than we do, ie, status of God, but that in no way implies that you hold in higher esteem that we do. in fact, as i already pointed out, in our opinion, it actually insults him(as)!
you may have you beliefs and opinions, but that doesn't mean that they are facts.
i can't see inside your heart, but i get the feeling that you rather "jumped back in" in this thread to assist a fellow Christian and that you may have responded just a bit more emphatically than you really felt called for. BUT that is not fact, just my belief and opinion!
i know you to be one of the most fairminded folks that post here and i'm just giving you my point of view. if i have offended you, please accept my sincere apologies
If someone thought you were a god or God would you be insulted? People have thought that angels were gods and the apostles too, but they had just simply corrected them; they didn't get insulted. If you thought I was God I wouldn't get insulted; I would redirect you worship to the proper place. We Christians have been worshipping Jesus as God for a long time now and since Jesus is not dead and accordding to you He never died, why isn't he redirecting our focus? As I said, I have never mentioned the term trinity. It is not in the Bible. I believe that Jesus is the Word of God, which became flesh and that God is a Spirit and He is Holy; therefore, He is The Holy Spirit. We have one thing in common and that is we both believe there is only one God. How God chooses to manifest Himself is His business not mines or yours to judge. Even though we have monotheism in common, both of our religious beliefs are mutually exclusive and the adherents to one of them are going to fall into the hands of an angry God.
We write each other because we are both concerned for each other. You don't want me to fall into the hands of an angry God, and I don't want that to happen to you. Maybe you can agree with me on this prayer: I pray to you Lord of heaven and earth our Creator that you would expose the deception so that we can see the truth and all those that read this. You are our Creator the Creator of the Muslim and the Christian alike, and we know that one of these religions are an abomination to you. Almighty God we ask you to reveal light here, because we don't want to argue about who has the right theology. We just want to submit to your will in every area of our life.
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Very good points. I feel you are very close to seeing the truth. You have come a long ways in the past few days and I believe you do have a strong desire to serve Allah(swt) and submit to His will.
I have no trouble in agreeing to your prayer.
Perhaps without even understanding why. You were attracted to this forum because as a moth is attracted to a candle, your own inner search has guided you to the light.
all that remains is for you to shed the shackles and chains that hold you captive, and come foreward to serve and submit to the will of Allah(swt) alone.
You have read and heard the truth, now the choice is yours alone.
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The topic of this thread was not to insult Muslims as you may suppose; it was for the purpose of discussion and study. If a Muslim or Christian gets insulted or offended with what I write that is the choice they make. Maybe there are some Muslims that would like to prove that Jesus didn't die and rise again or some Christians to prove He did. We should think the best of each other. However, am I interested in winning someone to Christ? You can bet one that. If it would cost my life, I would hope to God that I wouldn't change my mind about delivering my soul. I would like to know if there is a Muslims out there that is not interested in me or anyone else for that matter becoming a Muslim, or is there a Christian out there that is not interested in winning someone to Christ? I am interested in what is true and right altogether and share that regardless of the cost. You can judge me for it. I am not concerned about what people think of me. I am just concerned about what God thinks.