Father charged with murdering daughter for not wearing hijab

[noorseeker]

Can some one tell me please , in islam what happens to someone who gets murdered, what happens in terms of in the next life , does that girl get her sins get wiped or does will she be judged on wheter she was good or bad. I know allah takes our souls when he likes , but in this case her father took her life.

 

[crayon]

Shame on the Father! It's wrong to kill like that!

Um, ya think?!
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About the pressures of living in a non islamic society: that's the main reason my family decided to leave Canada and come to a muslim country. They were afraid that I would be influenced by my friends, and slowly turn into someone just like them. And we left really early as well, I was in the second grade.

 

[Resigned]

This is another sad example of what happens when Muslim children are left to associate with kuffaar company and society. The girl was wrong, very wrong but i blame it on the parents that she was left to go this way. They left her to mix with kuffaar and bad society especially if it was Muslims that were the bad influence.
However killing her is definitely very wrong! How can he?! He is to blame for her going this way in the first place but even if he wasnt, killing is not to be accepted. This is totally wrong. Further more a 'devote' Muslim will never behave in such a manner.

A target rich environment. Anybody want it?

 

[Bittersteel]

I said kuffaar company. Meaning that their influence affects the children. The likes and dislikes of the kuffar kids rub off onto the Muslim's as well as peer pressure, in her case fashion was one of them. She didnt want to dress in her own cultural way but that of which those around her dressed in, believing that she looked better in that.

hey how much are there Muslims in predominantly Non-Muslim nations anyways?she/he is bound to be mixed with the NMs and get influenced by them.It's only natural.

Like Aaron and I previously mentioned Muslims better stop migrating if they are having too many problems.

 

[Tania]

I can't understand whats the point in killing your own children :? What did he accomplish killing her.

 

[~Taalibah~]

hey how much are there Muslims in predominantly Non-Muslim nations anyways?she/he is bound to be mixed with the NMs and get influenced by them.It's only natural.

Like Aaron and I previously mentioned Muslims better stop migrating if they are having too many problems.

Perhaps so.

I live in an Unislamic country, how much have i been influenced? Lots of ppl live in Brits and other unislamic countries, how many still are strong Muslims?

 

[Pygoscelis]

I work in Mississauga, the city where this happened, so this strikes rather close to home for me.

To me this underlines the need for Canadian immigration to get stricter and stop admitting people from cultural backgrounds that would include an "honour killing" concept.

Multiculturalism is good, but only if those cultures are able to co-exist peacefully with each other and are not isolationist.

I see little sense in letting immigrants into the country if they intend on keeping entirely to themselves, viewing the rest of us as people to be avoided or hated or "kaffir" (whatever that means) and simply forming a subculture to create tension we really don't want or need here.

If one can not cope with free society (which includes women having the right to wear clothing one may find trashy) then that one simply should stay away from free society.

 

[The_Prince]

If one can not cope with free society (which includes women having the right to wear clothing one may find trashy) then that one simply should stay away from free society.

actually you just show your society is PERV society, not free society. cause notice what you said, you said we have to deal with women who wear trashy clothes or what we think is trashy, basically in your society your saying women can wear whatever they want. yes, as long as its trashy its ok, but hijab is being banned, so no no its not FREE society, its PERV society and you just proved it. you can wear very very revealing clothes, but when you were the hijab BANNED GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Evil:

 

[Keltoi]

I think we (non-Muslims) should be careful about painting all Muslim immigrants with this broad brush. Obviously the majority of Muslims living in the U.K. or North America do not believe in honor killings or any killing for that matter. There is plenty of horrible non-Muslim violence going on out there, and I dare say it is a far greater threat to all of us than this one horrible incident involving one particular father.

 

[Pk_#2]

I think we (non-Muslims) should be careful about painting all Muslim immigrants with this broad brush. Obviously the majority of Muslims living in the U.K. or North America do not believe in honor killings or any killing for that matter. There is plenty of horrible non-Muslim violence going on out there, and I dare say it is a far greater threat to all of us than this one horrible incident involving one particular father.

Tis sad, hmm

It's not like she would have been rewarded if she was forced to wear one! Astaghfirullah,

Allahu Alim (Allah knows best)

If you have problems with mulims mixing with kufaars tell them not to come to non muslim countries.If you want to live only in muslim community, you should stay where you already are.

Err England? Ok then, But i much prefer Indonesia, One day inshaAllah (God willing)

 

[Pygoscelis]

actually you just show your society is PERV society, not free society. cause notice what you said, you said we have to deal with women who wear trashy clothes or what we think is trashy, basically in your society your saying women can wear whatever they want. yes, as long as its trashy its ok, but hijab is being banned, so no no its not FREE society, its PERV society and you just proved it. you can wear very very revealing clothes, but when you were the hijab BANNED GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Evil:

Please show me where Ontario society (the free society I spoke of) has banned women from wearing hajib? The only news I'm heard of regarding muslim head coverings in Canada was the case in Quebec where women were not allowed to vote wearing the full head covering that covered the whole face. That was an identity issue (you need to know the person voting is registered to vote and not voting twice etc). Other concerns over head coverings may stem from security concerns (covering ones face to conceal their identity). These are all valid concerns in keeping a free society secure. Anywhere I can wear a ski mask and cover my face you should be allowed to wear the islamic full face covering. If either one of these cases gets special treatment then we have a legitimate cause for concern. Meanwhile, a woman in a bikini or topless could not pose such a threat. Its clear who she is and she can't be hiding anything in her non-clothing.

Nowhere in Canada has the normal hajib (the one where you can still see her face) been banned or discouraged. We may mock you for being prudes but that is just free speech. If we ever actually BAN women from wearing those things then it would be cause for concern for all of us (because who says it'd stop there).

 

[Pygoscelis]

I think we (non-Muslims) should be careful about painting all Muslim immigrants with this broad brush. Obviously the majority of Muslims living in the U.K. or North America do not believe in honor killings or any killing for that matter. There is plenty of horrible non-Muslim violence going on out there, and I dare say it is a far greater threat to all of us than this one horrible incident involving one particular father.

Taking a dispassionate look at it, if some religions CAUSE people to be threats to society, I see no problem with putting roadblocks up to stop adherents of that religion from entering my country. So the real question becomes whether or not their religion is the cause or if the cause is more based on regional culture from where they came (which I think may be the case, and if so we should shift away from focus on the religion and move to focus on the regional culturre) or if this is just a unique case of insanity (in which case there isn't much we can do other than hope our screening of all immigrants from everywhere does better next time)

 

[Intisar]

What would the shariatic(is there such a word ? lol) punishment be for such a case?

Under the Shariah law, the punishment would be death.

This happened in my city, Toronto (Missisauga) and what she did was no surprise. I know so many girls that are just like her subhanallah (May Allah forgive both her and the father, allahuma ameen). What she did was wrong, but what he did not was not the solution subhanallah!! Killing her? She used to put on her hijab when she left home, and take it off when she was on the bus and vice versa when she was coming home from school.

Yesterday the khatib at the Jumucaa was talking about this. Soooo many ppl were saying how she deserved this, and who knows whether we've commited more grave sins than she did! And the father, the father was probably in just an utter state of shock because he was the one who called the police.

 

[Resigned]

Under the Shariah law, the punishment would be death.

This happened in my city, Toronto (Missisauga) and what she did was no surprise. I know so many girls that are just like her subhanallah (May Allah forgive both her and the father, allahuma ameen). What she did was wrong, but what he did not was not the solution subhanallah!! Killing her? She used to put on her hijab when she left home, and take it off when she was on the bus and vice versa when she was coming home from school.

Yesterday the khatib at the Jumucaa was talking about this. Soooo many ppl were saying how she deserved this, and who knows whether we've commited more grave sins than she did! And the father, the father was probably in just an utter state of shock because he was the one who called the police.

For as long as women think it is a sin for not dressing in a way mandated by a male dominated and controlled society, there will be a continuation of this madness of ‘honor” killings.

But hey, why argue theological/cultural issues when you can just settle your doctrinal disputes with a split second of emotionally explosive conflict resolution?

 

[Belief_is_Power]

If a women does not want to waer hijab, then that is her choice, no need for violence.

 

[Intisar]

For as long as women think it is a sin for not dressing in a way mandated by a male dominated and controlled society, there will be a continuation of this madness of ‘honor” killings.

But hey, why argue theological/cultural issues when you can just settle your doctrinal disputes with a split second of emotionally explosive conflict resolution?

We don't know whether this was indeed an "honour" killing.

And I don't understand what you mean by your first sentence, are you trying to insinuate that Islam and all other religions are controlled by men? :?:mmokay:

 

[Resigned]

We don't know whether this was indeed an "honour" killing.

Oh, please. The circumstances are all too familiar.

And I don't understand what you mean by your first sentence, are you trying to insinuate that Islam and all other religions are controlled by men? :?:mmokay:

Islam, yes. Others, no.

 

[Intisar]

Oh, please. The circumstances are all too familiar.


Islam, yes. Others, no.

If it's an ''honour killing'' then it completely goes against Islam and is merely cultural. So there goes your whole ridiculous argument.

 

[Belief_is_Power]

the above post is right, your argument is lame and typical of critics of Islam.

 

[Pygoscelis]

the above post is right, your argument is lame and typical of critics of Islam.

Well that is the crux of the matter. Is it the religion or the regional culture that caused this "honour killing" mentality. Whichever it is, address it directly and clamp down on its entry into our country.