Father charged with murdering daughter for not wearing hijab

[Talha777]

Although not the main subject of the topic but still part of, If he intended to just give her a beating, how did he end up stabbing or throttling her? This is getting muddled.

I think he was intended on giving her a really good beating. He may have used a knife for this reason, and due to his understandable anger wanted to just about kill her, but I don't think what ended up happening as unfortunate as it was was his actual intention. I think he should not be given a life sentence and the court should take into account his intention and the fact any muslim parent would be outraged if their daughter was acting like this girl aqsa parvez.

 

[Cognescenti]

My sister and a cousin of mine go to the same school, Applewood, as this unfortunate girl, and they knew her as well. However, my sister told me media is sensationalizing and oversimplifying the story. The father did not intend to murder his daughter, only give her a good beating, because she wasn't just refusing to wear hijab, she was being in the company of a dangerous crowd that is into drugs and bad things, and she was wearing very bad clothes as well.

She was indeed hanging around a "dangerous crowd"...her father.

Good thing he intended only to give her a "good beating". The young strumpet deserved it. Let's see if she tries any more of that hanging around with dangerous kuffar-types.

 

[extinction]

Wow this is utterly disgusting. I don't think its bad press its actually GOOD press cause they are telling us how extreme some people can get while following religion whether it is Islam or any other religion. The father obviously needs to rethink his priorities but he can do that in jail, and secondly I don't think the girl was entirely wrong for not wanting to wear the hijaab. It is common in Western cultures for kids to want to be rebellious and live like their peers. In these times or eras the parents should encourage and speak to their children with kindness and wisdom rather than FORCE it upon them to obey. Try to come to a compromise. This is the way my parents did it with my siblings and I and it worked.

 

[wilberhum]

My sister and a cousin of mine go to the same school, Applewood, as this unfortunate girl, and they knew her as well. However, my sister told me media is sensationalizing and oversimplifying the story. The father did not intend to murder his daughter, only give her a good beating, because she wasn't just refusing to wear hijab, she was being in the company of a dangerous crowd that is into drugs and bad things, and she was wearing very bad clothes as well.

Another example of Violence towards women in the name of god.

Misogynistic ism best.

 

[snakelegs]

I think he was intended on giving her a really good beating. He may have used a knife for this reason, and due to his understandable anger wanted to just about kill her, but I don't think what ended up happening as unfortunate as it was was his actual intention. I think he should not be given a life sentence and the court should take into account his intention and the fact any muslim parent would be outraged if their daughter was acting like this girl aqsa parvez.

would it really be considered ok islamically to beat the crap out of your daughter because she wasn't following islam?
in any case, it is not considered ok in (most?) western countries, and as a muslim, you must obey the laws of the land or emigrate.

 

[Intisar]

Wilberhum, You don't make any sense. Don't use words that you don't understand the meaning of.

Snakelegs, You're not allowed to beat your wife. If you are having troubles with your wife then you can stop sleeping in the same bed as her, talk to her parents, or talk it out. The LAST resort is beating her. And I believe the context in beating is hardly that. I believe (may Allaah forgive me if I'm wrong inshaa Allaah) that the prophet (SAWS) said that you can tap your wife lightly with a toothbrush. That hardly constitutes beating, but Allahu 'alim (Allaah knows best).

We as Muslims should not condone what he has done, it was horrible, and arguing will do us no good. Allaah subhana wa ta'ala knows best, and will judge her on Yomul Qiymah. Let's not speak ill about her or father, because we will be taking on their bad deeds and they will be taking our hasanat (good deeds).

Islam is not a misogynistic religion, perhaps you should read more into this beautiful deen instead of formulating your opinion based on what you see on FOX (hardly a good source).

Ameena.

 

[snakelegs]

sister-ameena,
i knew the answers to the questions - i was just challenging talha.
p.s. i have never seen fox news - don't even have tv.

 

[Intisar]

sister-ameena,
i knew the answers to the questions - i was just challenging talha.
p.s. i have never seen fox news - don't even have tv.

Lol the Fox News comment was not directed at you, but to wilberhum. Inshaa Allaah no one takes offence to any of my posts, just trying to clear things up and remind people of the adhab a Muslim must have at all times.

 

[barney]

I know this thread might dissolve into another wife-beating thread, but i'm curious, how many muslim men on forums have actually taken a toothbrush, given it a quick swill to get the Colgate 3-stripe minty freshness off it and gently tapped their wife in response to no result from a few weeks of self-enforced celibacy?

(The toothbrush here of course is a swilik and therefore a stick, but the historically accepted ruling is a stick no thicker than a swilik)

I'm just imagining all these frustrated toothbrush weilding males tapping away lightly saying " Right ho! NOW youve done it! Now you really have me at the end of my tether, so feel my anger and start freaking obaying!Or I'll tap you lightly with this toothbrush again"

 

[Intisar]

I know this thread might dissolve into another wife-beating thread, but i'm curious, how many muslim men on forums have actually taken a toothbrush, given it a quick swill to get the Colgate 3-stripe minty freshness off it and gently tapped their wife in response to no result from a few weeks of self-enforced celibacy?

(The toothbrush here of course is a swilik and therefore a stick, but the historically accepted ruling is a stick no thicker than a swilik)

I'm just imagining all these frustrated toothbrush weilding males tapping away lightly saying " Right ho! NOW youve done it! Now you really have me at the end of my tether, so feel my anger and start freaking obaying!Or I'll tap you lightly with this toothbrush again"

A failed attempt at humour.

Had you actually comprehended the message that I was trying to convey in my reply, you would've understood that that is the last resort meaning you go through other methods and if there are no solutions left, then tap her lightly.

Nothing works with you kufaars, Muslims beat their wives: they're misogynistic. Muslims don't beat their wives, but lightly tap them: they're ridiculous.

 

[Talha777]

If the other prescriptions do not cause the wife to come back in line, than yes the husband may beat the wife with a stick but gently, it is more of a symbolic act to tell wife situation is serious so you better straighten out for your own good. The "beating" is not meant to physically injure wife or leave a mark on her body.

But all this is irrelevant because it was the man's daughter, not wife, whom he only intended to give a good beating, which unfortunately led to her unexpected death. Its not even manslaughter. Its like if your wrestling for fun and by accident someone gets hurt. Its called an accident, and that's what happened in this case.

 

[Resigned]

If the other prescriptions do not cause the wife to come back in line, than yes the husband may beat the wife with a stick but gently, it is more of a symbolic act to tell wife situation is serious so you better straighten out for your own good. The "beating" is not meant to physically injure wife or leave a mark on her body.

But all this is irrelevant because it was the man's daughter, not wife, whom he only intended to give a good beating, which unfortunately led to her unexpected death. Its not even manslaughter. Its like if your wrestling for fun and by accident someone gets hurt. Its called an accident, and that's what happened in this case.

I never will understand the deep hatred and revulsion that is expressed by people like this towards women.

The next time anyone thinks about how cool their Mom, sister, or wife is, and how grateful you are to have her in their life, please don't forget that girls and women are the same all over the world. They deserve respect and freedom, and they certainly deserve to live.

I think women are special. I think they hold societies together. They remind us men that there is beauty and hope not to be overlooked. They are the mothers and wives and lovers that every good man can be a boy, around. And the wise, patient—if occasionally exasperated!—strength of women is one of the most special and essential phenomena in humanity. A woman should be cherished as the invaluable member of mankind she is, and respected as the sovereign and dignified person she is. A woman should not be buried up to her breast and pummeled with stones of a prescribed size (not so small as to not cause pain, not so large as to kill with one blow—maximum suffering), as a gathered crowd yells Allahu akbar!, until she perishes in a bloody, mangled heap. And all because she had the audacity to treat her body as if it were her own. Women are punished in Islam simply for being women.

 

[Talha777]

A woman should not be buried up to her breast and pummeled with stones of a prescribed size (not so small as to not cause pain, not so large as to kill with one blow—maximum suffering), as a gathered crowd yells Allahu akbar!, until she perishes in a bloody, mangled heap. And all because she had the audacity to treat her body as if it were her own. Women are punished in Islam simply for being women.

And why does this happen? Is it not because the woman committed adultery? You see anyone can show a video or picture a someone being killed or beaten but if the reason and whole story behind it is not explained than it leads to concealing the truth and propoganda. And if a man commits adultery he too is stoned to death, so your last line "women are punished in Islam simply for being women" is totally false. Women and men are punished in Islam rightfully if they commit adultery.

 

[Cognescenti]

If the other prescriptions do not cause the wife to come back in line, than yes the husband may beat the wife with a stick but gently, it is more of a symbolic act to tell wife situation is serious so you better straighten out for your own good. The "beating" is not meant to physically injure wife or leave a mark on her body.

But all this is irrelevant because it was the man's daughter, not wife, whom he only intended to give a good beating, which unfortunately led to her unexpected death. Its not even manslaughter. Its like if your wrestling for fun and by accident someone gets hurt. Its called an accident, and that's what happened in this case.

Oh dear. Talha...I suspect you may have difficulty integrating into mainstream Canadian society with ideas like that....or perhaps you have no intention of doing so.

BTW....what "prescriptions" does a wife have to cause her husband "to come back in line". Is she permitted to hit him...symbolically of course?

 

[Talha777]

Wife is never allowed to hit her husband. Best analogy i can give is parents spank their kids to discipline them, but who ever heard of children spanking their parents ?

 

[Resigned]

And why does this happen? Is it not because the woman committed adultery? You see anyone can show a video or picture a someone being killed or beaten but if the reason and whole story behind it is not explained than it leads to concealing the truth and propoganda. And if a man commits adultery he too is stoned to death, so your last line "women are punished in Islam simply for being women" is totally false. Women and men are punished in Islam rightfully if they commit adultery.

So, in a bizarre search for disappointment and despair, I decided to read yet another of the musings of one who is making a hateful outcry about those jezebels who would dare disrupt the 7th social order because it clashes with your shallow politico-religious views.

Note to peaceful religionists worldwide who have permanently dropped anchor in seventh century Arabia, and who are now looking to sublimate a love affair with the fascistic infliction of suffering and mass murder in the name of a deity; it's your delusion—have at it.

It’s interesting to be surfing on Arab/Muslim sites in an effort to find the outrage over the brutal treatment of women that self-proclaimed “real muslims”™ would happily engage in. I was just looking for some indignation from other "real Muslims" who represent the true Religion of Peace. I figured this would be a great opportunity to put together some sort of outcry to show how much they despise these "extremists" who "hijack" their religion--right now, while the written image of that poor girl dying as the result of being beaten to a pulp is still seared on my retinas, would really be an ideal time. I even checked at CAIR! No howls of indignation yet. Maybe they just haven't heard the news. Yeah, that must be it.

 

[Talha777]

You obviously have a deeply ingrained hatred of Islam and Muslims in your heart. My question is why are you on this forum, are you here to do anything constructive or just bash our religion to your heart's content and than leave having done your duty to humanity? Let me tell you my friend, we Muslims don't care about "human rights" or "geneva convention". We believe in human responsibilities to Allah, this is our idealogy. We believe in submission not liberty. Islam can never be reconciled with the west, so dont even try.

 

[Resigned]

You obviously have a deeply ingrained hatred of Islam and Muslims in your heart. My question is why are you on this forum, are you here to do anything constructive or just bash our religion to your heart's content and than leave having done your duty to humanity? Let me tell you my friend, we Muslims don't care about "human rights" or "geneva convention". We believe in human responsibilities to Allah, this is our idealogy. We believe in submission not liberty. Islam can never be reconciled with the west, so dont even try.

At times, you remind me of an insurgent. You pop up, spew a load of grief and then disappear into a safe zone when the incoming gets started.

If you had bothered to actually read what your posts contain, you would see that your attitudes and worldview are appropriate for a time not of this millenium. So, if we just throw our culture and institutions to the hateful, ravenous wolves that prowl the West, and if we stopped challenging terrorists and despots who endanger us, everything would be all date palms and camel's milk, and the Arab/muslim world would finally be at peace.

Sorry guys, but the evil Amerisraeli empire wouldn't make very much progress that way, now would it? And we know how you love your weird conspiracy theories, so we'll just proceed with whatever bizarre, byzantine schemes you've made up for us.


Wallowing in self pity will help you not. The debasement was brought on by the impotence which you exhibit. Employ introspection and you shall understand why you serve others. Fix that which makes you slaves and you shall be slaves no more…

Do you understand that the non-believing infidels only hope that you silly wanabe holy warriors learn how to get along? We only start to care about your beliefs when they begin to impact us. Use your holy books to improve your lives…but don’t use them to mess with us…that just gets us angry…

 

[sapphirine]

This is another sad example of what happens when Muslim children are left to associate with kuffaar company and society.

I don't think it's possible to avoid this kind of company when you're in a western country - isn't there another solution other than isolating children? with other muslims is a good idea but if you're in a place where there are no other muslims around?

 

[Talha777]

This is another sad example of what happens when Muslim children are left to associate with kuffaar company and society.

I don't think it's possible to avoid this kind of company when you're in a western country - isn't there another solution other than isolating children? with other muslims is a good idea but if you're in a place where there are no other muslims around?

I graduated from a catholic school where there wasnt a single Muslim, but alhamdulillah I never compromised my religious obligations. Many people tempted me to drink alcohol and eat pork but masha Allah I never succumbed to their satanic temptations.

However, I think for girls it is harder, they tend to have weaker iman than boys, this is why I think especially in west parents should not send them to school.