Father charged with murdering daughter for not wearing hijab

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Wilberhum, You don't make any sense. Don't use words that you don't understand the meaning of. :)
Why do you assume that I don't know the definition?
What ever the reason, you are totally incorrect.

Islam is not a misogynistic religion,
I never said Islam was misogynistic. But the poster is.
perhaps you should read more into this beautiful deen instead of formulating your opinion based on what you see on FOX
I never witch FOX, got another excuse? But still why do you seam to think I said Islam is misogynistic? :-\
(hardly a good source).
Hardly a good excuse.
Ameena.
You seam to jump to conclusions really fast.

Slow down and read.
 
If the other prescriptions do not cause the wife to come back in line, than yes the husband may beat the wife with a stick but gently, it is more of a symbolic act to tell wife situation is serious so you better straighten out for your own good. The "beating" is not meant to physically injure wife or leave a mark on her body.

But all this is irrelevant because it was the man's daughter, not wife, whom he only intended to give a good beating, which unfortunately led to her unexpected death. Its not even manslaughter. Its like if your wrestling for fun and by accident someone gets hurt. Its called an accident, and that's what happened in this case.
Would it be OK if the other prescriptions do not cause the husband to come back in line, than yes the wife may beat the husband with a stick but gently, it is more of a symbolic act to tell husband situation is serious so you better straighten out for his own good. The "beating" is not meant to physically injure husband or leave a mark on his body.

If not, then what is all this equality stuff we keep hearing about.
 


And why does this happen? Is it not because the woman committed adultery? You see anyone can show a video or picture a someone being killed or beaten but if the reason and whole story behind it is not explained than it leads to concealing the truth and propoganda. And if a man commits adultery he too is stoned to death, so your last line "women are punished in Islam simply for being women" is totally false. Women and men are punished in Islam rightfully if they commit adultery.
But it sure is easier to catch the woman. :uuh:
 
Wife is never allowed to hit her husband. Best analogy i can give is parents spank their kids to discipline them, but who ever heard of children spanking their parents ?
As I thought. Equality ya, da.
 
This is another sad example of what happens when Muslim children are left to associate with kuffaar company and society.

I don't think it's possible to avoid this kind of company when you're in a western country - isn't there another solution other than isolating children? with other muslims is a good idea but if you're in a place where there are no other muslims around?
No it is another sad example of what happens when people have no Tolerance .
 
Would it be OK if the other prescriptions do not cause the husband to come back in line, than yes the wife may beat the husband with a stick but gently, it is more of a symbolic act to tell husband situation is serious so you better straighten out for his own good.
Symbolic act:
stick = broom
5 days without cooking for him
:giggling: i think in the end he will get the message
 


I graduated from a catholic school where there wasnt a single Muslim, but alhamdulillah I never compromised my religious obligations. Many people tempted me to drink alcohol and eat pork but masha Allah I never succumbed to their satanic temptations.

However, I think for girls it is harder, they tend to have weaker iman than boys, this is why I think especially in west parents should not send them to school.
I never succumbed to their satanic temptations?

You hate Catholics too.

Is there any thing non-Islamic that you don't hate?
 
You obviously have a deeply ingrained hatred of Islam and Muslims in your heart.

I have a deeply ingrained hatred of murderers and abusers of women in my heart. If that includes Islam as you seem to be saying it does, then so be it. But other muslims here seem to disagree with you and speak of Islam as if it was a religion of peace. So which is it folks?

That he meant only to "give her a good beating" is a ridiculus excuse. Beating your daughter within an inch of her life (never mind finishing the job and killing her) is NEVER excusable. It is disgusting and frankly I hope he rots in jail for a very long time.

And you also wrote here about the wonderfulness of stoning people to death because they've committed *gasp* adultery. So some lady has sex with some man other than her husband... why is this any of your or anybody elses business? I mean other than her's and her husbands? And why is her husband entitled to anything other than a divorce?

Let me tell you my friend, we Muslims don't care about "human rights"

Um... I'm half thinking you're not really a muslim at all but a right wing muslim hater who is trying to make muslims look like scum and fuel islamophobia.

Islam can never be reconciled with the west, so dont even try.

So what are you doing in Canada? You do realize that Canada is part of "the west" right? Canada is a liberal country, even more so than the USA. Perhaps you'd fit in more in some backwards middle east country where they chop peoples' heads off for praying to the wrong deity.

I tell you, when I read posts like yours I feel more and more like we should ban Islam outright. But I couldn't support that because I'm a liberal and believe in freedom of religion and freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, and sadly that by neccesity includes yours.
 
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I graduated from a catholic school where there wasnt a single Muslim, but alhamdulillah I never compromised my religious obligations. Many people tempted me to drink alcohol and eat pork but masha Allah I never succumbed to their satanic temptations.


Anybody else find this to be the height of irony? This person makes excuses for beating a young girl to death and then speaks of the evils of alcohol and pig meat.
 
Anybody else find this to be the height of irony? This person makes excuses for beating a young girl to death and then speaks of the evils of alcohol and pig meat.
Me.
I Just had to remark on
I never succumbed to their satanic temptations.
Catholic's satanic temptations?

I bet he was a real hit at school. Bet not a friend.

I'm still trying to figure out why Muslim parents would send there child to a Catholic school.

That had to be tough. Maybe that is the source of all the hate.
 
What this thread desperatly needs is the mainstream muslims to get into it, tell talha77 how mistaken, cruel, bigoted, sexist and backward he is being, back it with quaranic verses to show that his veiw is a warped veiw of Islam.

C'mon Muslims, we know your out there.

Oh and to the sister who was saying Beating is a last resort, My whole point was , yes i know its a last resort, and so how many Muslim males actually in practice chase their beloved around with a toothbrush when all else fails.
 
"Oh and to the sister who was saying Beating is a last resort, My whole point was , yes i know its a last resort, and so how many Muslim males actually in practice chase their beloved around with a toothbrush when all else fails."

barney- Not very many muslim males actually do this. Does that make what they do correct, does that make it acceptable in islam? Of course not. People like these combine their culture and own opinions/views and package it all under the label of islam.
 
Crayon, do you know anyone who has ever been so incenced with their wife that they have tapped them lightly with a toothbrush as some kind of last resort?

Personally I dont.

I do know two muslim women who have in the past received beatings from their family over "cultural" issues.
 
Wow. It is just like I mentioned in Taliban thread no. 234-A. Opposition to Miscogeny can unite unite Westerners like nothing else.

Christians, atheists, agnostics, druids, peaceniks, hyper-hawks, Lefties, Conseravtives, Commies, Free-marketeers, America-haters, super-patriots. All it takes is some neanderthal to justify violence toward women to make them all jump into bed together.

It is a laugh riot.
 
Muslims are not applying their religion correctly. It is not the religion's fault, but those muslims.

And I personally don't know ANY muslim woman that has been beaten at all. And not to sound presumptuous or anything, because that's not my intention, but I'm pretty sure I'm in contact with lots more muslim woman than you. Again, nothing meant by that, but my point is that husbands beating their wives isn't as common as you think, and even though it isn't, it's still not right.
 
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Muslims are not applying their religion correctly. It is not the religion's fault, but those muslims.

And I personally don't know ANY muslim woman that has been beaten at all. And not to sound presumptuous or anything, because that's not my intention, but I'm pretty sure I'm in contact with lots more muslim woman than you. Again, nothing meant by that, but my point is that husbands beating their wives isn't as common as you think, and even though it isn't, it's still not right.

Just an observation, but I find it remarkable that in all cases, these occurrences of “honor” killings and the generally brutal treatment of women under a sharia are somehow always divorced from islam, even though the Koran contains verses regarding the allowance of striking women.

I find that simply... uncanny.
 
Resigned, the Bible is full, well not full, but has its proportion of verses condoning stoning of women.
This is not religions fault.
It's peoples fault for beleiving it as some sort of "high moral code", when it's so obvious humanity has outgrown it.
 
The Story of Man and His Truck PDF Print E-mail
Written by Sister Zabrina
Sunday, 02 December 2007
The Story of A Man and His Truck


My mobile rang late that evening. ‘As Salaamu ‘alaykum’ I answered as I picked up the phone. The next thing I heard was a sobbing sound on the other line. I immediately recognized that voice.

A dear friend was in tears after being yelled by her boss over some administrative mistakes which she admitted done accidentally. She knew that she was wrong and deserved to be corrected. As a professional, she could admit and accept her wrongs gracefully, and had no qualms correcting them. However, according to her, that was not why she was crying.


What hurt her was more of the way it was handled. The yelling and shouting by the boss, plus the throwing of the document file towards her direction. That was what shattered her that day. And who could blame her? Anyone would be shaken if treated in such a way. I know I would. Calming her down took some time but the pep talk to build up her self esteem and motivation again took longer, much longer.

As I sat there, thinking sadly of my friend’s experience that day, I could not help but to ponder on why some people took pleasure in being harsh when getting their points across. Why people choose aggressiveness over a simple advice?



Did they enjoy watching the other person squirm? What was in their mind during the yelling and shouting? Is the mistake worthy of the humiliation they received? Would they, themselves, accept being embarrassed and disgraced that way? Couldn’t a simple discussion, done in a civilized manner do the job for them? Couldn’t the advice be given privately instead of making sure that his voice was heard through the four walls of his office?

It was a heartbreaking moment for me when I was reminded of my Lord’s attribute…

'A'isha reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Allah is kind and loves kindness and gives for gentleness what he does not give for harshness nor for anything else." [Muslim]

Subhanallaah. Allaah is kind and gentle. Allaah, the AlMighty, the Creator and Owner of everything and everyone between the heaven and the earth, is kind and gentle. Who are we? The one who do not even own the cloth we wear, the eyes we use, the air we breathe, the smile we show, the eyelid we batter, the teeth we chew with, the water we drink. Who are we to act in such harsh manner as if we are the perfect one? As if we are the one who has never done and would never do any mistake? As if we are so great? Astaghfirullaah. My heart beats sadly for my friend…

I remembered a hadeeth of my Prophet (SAW) who said that…

Narrated Jarir: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: He who is deprived of gentleness is deprived of good. (Sunan Abudawud Book #41, Hadith #4791)

Ya Allaah, that is so scary. A person who is deprived of gentleness is deprived of good? Who in their right mind would want to be deprived of good, right?

I want to understand this better. Let me think, what does good mean here? Good if defined by the dictionary would mean high-quality, first class, first rate, superior, fine, excellent. Wow, this is really something. So, a harsh person would be deprived of excellent in his dealings?

I need to put it into a context here so that I can understand this better. Say, I am boarding on a plane and facing a problem with my seating. I have two ways to deal with this matter, right? One is to get angry and show my anger, and second is to stay calm and deal with the airline in a gentle and peaceful manner. Which behavior would give me superiority? If you are the person who is handling me, would you like me better if I am calm or if I am angry? That is one question.

Then, say, there is another person with similar problem as me. And he is angry and cursing, while I am calm and smiling. Then, you as the airline rep found 2 seats; one is the first class seat, while the other is at the economy class. Let us all honestly ask ourselves, who would we rather bumped into at the first class? Hmm…




He who is deprived of gentleness is deprived of good.. I got it now, alhamdulillaah…

I remembered reading the Quranic verse which has become one of my compasses in dealing with others

“And speak to him [i.e., Pharaoh] with gentle speech that perhaps he may be reminded or fear [Allaah].”” [Quran 20: 44]

Ya Allaah, when I first read this ayah, it surprised me.



What did Allaah tell us to do? Even to Pharaoh, we are asked to speak gently. You know Pharaoh? Yes, the Pharaoh who chased after our Prophet Moses (AS), who had wronged his people, killed babies. Yes, that one. And how should we conduct ourselves with him? With gentle speech! Can you believe that? Even to a person with such history like Pharaoh,we are asked to deal with gentle speech. Subhanallaah…

And why was the reason given? So that perhaps (no guarantee because it was still Pharoah’s choice), he could be reminded of Allaah through our gentle speech. Subhanallaah. What did that tell us? A person regardless of his current behaviour and action is entitled to be addressed gently. Allaah…

Maybe my friend’s boss should be reminded of this ayah. Maybe he should ask himself, was my friend worse than Pharaoh, because even Pharaoh who denied Allaah and His Prophet was asked by Allaah to be handled gently! Surely, my friend is nothing close to Pharaoh, right?

I reminded myself of this quote I read somewhere before…

Extract The Honey, But Do Not Break The Hive....

How true this quote is. To get to the honey, we should not break the beehive. Instead, we should carefully, systematically and gently approach the hive. Failure to do so would result in us getting bee stings all over, qualify us for a hospital admission and if severe, we might even land ourselves into the a new home 6 feet under! I knew it seems a little bit far fetched here, but these things do happen.

Let me share with you a story I read sometime ago about a man and his son…

A man came out of his home to admire his new truck. To his puzzlement, his three-year-old son was happily hammering dents into the shiny paint.

The man ran to his son, knocked him away, hammered the little boy's hands into a pulp as punishment. When the father calmed down, he rushed his son to the hospital.

Although the doctor tried desperately to save the crushed bones, he finally had to amputate the fingers from both the boy's hands. When the boy woke up from the surgery & saw his bandaged stubs, he innocently said, "Daddy, I'm sorry about your truck." Then he asked, "but when are my fingers going to grow back?"

Astaghfirullaah. When are my fingers growing back? I could not imagine the regret this father must have in his heart. Could you even imagine it? Was the satisfaction worth the pain after? Was the action during rage by the father justified? Could the finger ever grow back? How could the father answer his son?



As I sat there thinking of my friend and this poor boy, I asked myself this question. Have I ever hammered someone else’s fingers? If yes, why did I do it? If yes, whose fingers were they? Why do I have to get that hammer and hurt those fingers? What if their fingers were beyond repair and had to be amputated? Was it a finger or a few fingers? Astaghfirullaah…

I felt a heavy feeling in my heart and I pray to Allaah to forgive me if I have done something unthinkable as such. And to all my friends out there, forgive me if I have hammered your fingers. Please find somewhere in your heart to forgive me whenever you looked at your amputated your fingers, if any…




What about you my friends? Have you ever hammered anyone’s finger simply because you could not control your temper? Just to satisfy your anger? Think about it. Think hard because always, the doer forgets but the receiver does not. Just imagine that your fingers are amputated.. How would you feel? Do you want to make others feel that way too?

In the end, whenever you feel like showing your anger, remember this – pharaoh and finger. Yes, my friends. Pharaoh and fingers. May we all take heed. Ameen…

This reminds me of this story...

http://www.islamnewsroom.com/content/view/395/52/
 
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