Guru Nanak Dev Ji a Muslim....?

The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said that all the children of Adam commit sin, but the best of sinners are those that repent.

Part of the repentance process is to feel regret for the sin the person has commited, and the more one learns and applies islaam into their life - the more stronger they get in faith, the more one turns away and disobeys their Creator and His Messenger, the more they get weaker in faith.


Those who do good to please their Creator by obeying the Messenger have their reward with Him, whereas those who do good to please others besides or along with God - that is rejected because it isn't sincere. This might be known among many people who give in charity etc, but there is no good in that if it isn't for the sake of pleasing their Creator so that they may be rewarded by Him.

That's why on the Day of Judgement, man will be told to get his/her reward from the one they did the act to please - so if the person did an act to please Jesus son of Mary (peace be upon him) for example, they'll have to get their reward from him, which they won't be able to because all good belongs to Allaah. Those who did good to please their stone idol will be asked to get their reward from that stone idol, and what can a stone idol do?


If a person strived in this world for their own personal desires, i.e. for respect in the sight of others, or for wealth etc. and it wasn't done for the sake of Allaah - then Allaah may give this to them in this world, but if they never did nothing for the sake of Allaah, and they rejected His Messengers - then they won't have a share of any good in the hereafter. Because they never believed in it, infact they only thought about this life.


This shows Allaah's Justness.


Certainly, your efforts and deeds are diverse (different in aims and purposes);

 As for him who gives (in charity) and keeps his duty to Allah and fears Him,

 And believes in the best [reward],

 We will make smooth for him the path of ease (goodness).


But he who is greedy miser and thinks himself self-sufficient.

And denies the best [reward],

We will make smooth for him the path for evil;



 And what will his wealth benefit him when he goes down (in destruction).

 Verily We take upon Ourselves to guide,

 And truly, unto Us (belong) the last (Hereafter) and the first (this world).

 Therefore I have warned you of a Fire blazing fiercely (Hell);

 None will [enter to] burn therein except the most wretched one.

 He who denieth and turneth away.


 But the righteous one will avoid it -

 He who spends his wealth for increase in self-purification,

 And have in his mind no favour from anyone for which a reward is expected in return,

 Except only the desire to seek the Countenance of his Lord, the Most High;

 He surely will be pleased (when he will enter Paradise).
[Qur'an Al-Layl [The Night] 92: 4-21]
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PurestAmbrosia said:
How do you know the word Allah didn't exist?--- what if ,what if what-- if... if "they" want to submit to "waheguru"-- then it is "their" cross to bear.. each soul is hostage for its own deeds...

peace!
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Some call him Ram, some Khuda. Some say Gosain, some Allah some Waheguru....Is the one and same!
 
Yup, and there is none worthy of worship (i.e. Prayers, obedience, worthy of love, fear, hope etc. except Him.) :)
 
Fi_Sabilillah said:
The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said that all the children of Adam commit sin, but the best of sinners are those that repent.
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How do you think you commit sins and how often? How often do you repent? Do you repent everyday, every hour or five times a day or every time you do something wrong?

Fi_Sabilillah said:

Part of the repentance process is to feel regret for the sin the person has commited, and the more one learns and applies islaam into their life - the more stronger they get in faith, the more one turns away and disobeys their Creator and His Messenger, the more they get weaker in faith.
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Are you saying that if you do what Mohammad did, you will not be committing sins anymore? What is that you do to follow Mohammad footsteps that will help you stay away from committing sins?​
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
Some call him Ram, some Khuda. Some say Gosain, some Allah some Waheguru....Is the one and same!
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Please read this shabad carefully. It starts with koyi bolay raam raam, koyi khudaaye, koyi sevay gusaniya, koyi alaahe and at the end of this shabad, it says kaho Nanak jinh hukam pachhata, prabh sahib ka tinh bhed jaata meaning people call Him with all kinds of different names but the one who recognizes His Hukam (will) is the only one who finds out the secret.

So this shabad is not about saying that they are all the same. Instead it's saying that even though people call Him by many different names, it doesn't mean much unless one recognizes His Hukam...
 
cali dude said:
How do you think you commit sins and how often? How often do you repent? Do you repent everyday, every hour or five times a day or every time you do something wrong?
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Every person differs, and the best way to repent is to continue seeking Allaah's forgiveness for our wrongdoings. Whenever we get the chance.


Are you saying that if you do what Mohammad did, you will not be committing sins anymore? What is that you do to follow Mohammad footsteps that will help you stay away from committing sins?
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Yeah, nearly any permissible action a person performs in life can be a form of worship. According to a prophetic saying, even the morsel of food a husband places in his wife's mouth. And obviously things like prayer, fasting are also good acts of worship. Some which are prescribed, others optional.

The best example is the Prophetic example, what he orders us to do is encouraged, and in some cases even obligatory. What he forbids us from is also a source of law since he is the Messenger of God. So yeah, by obeying him is obeying Allaah, peace and blessings be upon him.
 
We don't mention our sins, their between us and Allaah. And it should remain that way. :) Some people actually feel proud of it, whereas its something to be ashamed about, because the person transgressed the boundaries set by Allaah. And part of the repentance process is to feel regret, and by actually mentioning the sin to others is showing that you're not really regretful.
 
OK let me ask you this. Whatever those sins are/were, following Mohammad's message, have you quit committing those sins or are you still committing them? Do you think you will ever be able to quit committing those sins?
 
Quit, and obviously we still have to work on commiting as less as possible, if it wasn't for the boundaries set by Allaah and the consequences of obeying/disobeying [i.e. paradise/hellfire] - we wouldn't really know what's right or wrong, so praise be to Allaah who sent down to us the criterion [the Furqaan i.e. Qur'aan.]


About commiting sins in the future, the stronger the level of faith - the more likely the person is to commit less because they are more aware of God and that He is watching over them etc. [i.e. taqwa] - but the more sins the person commits leads to a loss of sincerety, hence the weaker the faith becomes, and therefore the person can go astray. We seek refuge in Allaah from that.

I don't know my future, so i hope to strive and gain more taqwa [God consciessness] in order to be more sincere, and to strive to do good to please Him, and the results of that are that the person has more faith - which means the person is likely to commit less sins, and therefore have a more good ending of this life, and good in the hereafter, inshaa Allaah.
 
Well this is where we stand.

One can only be united with God only one condition and that is to purify her/himself so that s/he is worthy of being united with God.

In Sikhi, it has been proven that the first step in this process is to completely eliminate all vices as we discussed before.

But in Chrisitianity, as I understand and heard, they believe that Jesus works as a mediator between a person's soul and God as person could never be pure and worthy of being united with God on its own.

Now you fall in the middle somewhere. So if you believe that only a pure soul like Jesus' can help one unite with God, then you guys should be Christians. But if you think a person can gain ability to avoid committing sins, then you basically believe what has been proven in Sikhi.

But if you keep repenting all your life and yet don't learn how to avoid committing sins, I don't know how useful it can be. You will just keep committing sins, keep repenting and still keep committing sins.

You may think that your perception of Islam is the best way to live your life. But I can guarantee you that there is even a better way than your way of life.
 
Thanks for the offer, but i can't grasp the concept of 'becoming united with God because that just doesn't befit His Majesty. I believe that we don't need no mediators between us and God, and i believe in God's Messengers' and Prophets (peace be upon them), and i believe they all called to the obedience of God, and they came with clear proofs. They all called to the worship of God Alone, and they came with God's law.

Muhammad, peace be upon him was His final messenger and there will be no more prophets after him. He came with a clear proofs also, which is a miracle in of itself - the Qur'an. If you want, we can discuss this. I.e. we know of many scientific proofs stated in the Qur'an which have only been discovered within this century, yet Muhammad peace be upon him was an illiterate man. We also know that it hasn't ever been distorted since 14 centuries ago, and a copy written by his companions is still preserved till today in the Museum of Turkey.


All the prophets said that those who believe and do good will be rewarded for their good by God, and they said that if you disobey you will be punished by God. That was the same message of all the previous prophets, thats why even jews and christians believe in that concept of paradise and the hellfire. Even though they went astray in claiming that God has children, because again - that doesn't befit God's Majesty. Therefore i also believe that God doesn't 'unite' with His creation because that doesn't befit Him, the Almighty, Self Sufficient. :)
 
cali dude said:
Please read this shabad carefully. It starts with koyi bolay raam raam, koyi khudaaye, koyi sevay gusaniya, koyi alaahe and at the end of this shabad, it says kaho Nanak jinh hukam pachhata, prabh sahib ka tinh bhed jaata meaning people call Him with all kinds of different names but the one who recognizes His Hukam (will) is the only one who finds out the secret.

So this shabad is not about saying that they are all the same. Instead it's saying that even though people call Him by many different names, it doesn't mean much unless one recognizes His Hukam...
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If it's mentioned the above names are used to refer to God, is that not self explantory of the meaning of the Shabad?

You need to be a Khalsa to fathom the true meaning veer.

Gur Fateh!
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
If it's mentioned the above names are used to refer to God, is that not self explantory of the meaning of the Shabad?

You need to be a Khalsa to fathom the true meaning veer.

Gur Fateh!
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No it's not. We need to look at the reason behind writing this shabad. We shouldn't be interpreting shabads as per our perception, instead, we should try to see what gurus were trying to say...

By the way, I have yet to see a Khalsa :)
 
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AvarAllahNoor said:
Until you become one the search will continue brother....:statisfie

Also Khalas are those that do not ridicule other peoples faiths, to make their own look appealing. :wink:
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When I say I have not seen a Khalsa, I mean in real life or on the Net, even on this site. I hope you understand whom I am talking about.

Nobody needs to ridicule any faith. but truth is above all, including all religions. If unveiling the truth about a religion is considered ridiculing that religion, then that religion must be ridiculous. But you must not hide the truth just because the truth offends some people.

Telling the truth must be the one of the first principles in any true faith.

Also a Khalsa does not change the interpretation of Gurbani just to fit in with some people. You remember Ram Rai who changed Gurbani to please Aurangzeb? He was excommunicated and he was Har Rai Ji's son.

I understand that you feel the need to please people here because of your Khalistani views but do not ridicule Gurbani...
 
lol you can do all this through PM inshaa Allaah. it's like a msn convo, except longer :p
 

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