Holocaust cartoon fair opens in Iran

[therebbe]

so the danish Pm have no say on the matter?

No I do not think you understand very clearly. Denmark is a democracy. Listen, unlike many of the countries you support, in Denmark the government does not run around silencing the press and does not restrict freedom of speech. Protest the newspaper company, not the government.

Nor does he said anythign when asked by 11(is that right) ambassodors from muslim coutnries?
He did not only try to say HIS STANDPOINT but rebuffed a meeting with them..

Why should he have to? It was not Denmarks government that published this cartoon.

If some newspaper in Saudi Arabia said made a cartoon about the prophet Moses, who should we blame? The Government of Saudi Arabia who has no ties to the paper, or the newspaper company and the editor who published it?

Try thinking.

As for SEP 11,now take a look at this,dont the US govermetn as a whole and the US citizens as a whole genrealize that since most of the "hijackers" are saudi ,then all saudi are wrong?

Wow! Thank you for making my point!

All the hijackers were Saudi's but that does not mean every person in Saudi Arabia is a hujacker or is evil.

All the cartoon artists were Danes, but that does not mean the goverment or all the peope are like the artists.

In Iran is was a GOVERNMENT controlled newspaper.

Does not the US gov and Isreal bomb civllion JUST EBCASEU THEY ARE THERE?

The US and Israeli governments do not bomb civilians because they are there. Does Hamas suicide bomb in civilian areas because the civilians are there though? Please awnser that.

And as for aliyah,pray tell,how can it be illegal IF YOU ARE NEVER GOIDN BACK TO IRAN?News has been reported many times that Jews in iran can travel anywhere they like and that Jews are given direct citizenship when they touch on Israel..

:giggling:

Why just lie about something?

Jews have passport restrictions in Iran that make it so you have to go through a 1 year interview process before you leave the country if your Jewish. How about reading there laws before speaking!!!! :uhwhat

Iranian citizens are also not aloud to travel to Israel! If a Jew wanted to go to Israel from Iran, he would have to sneak out of the country and somehow get there with a restricted passport. If they are caught they are executed. Please go read Iranian law before you start posting about this again. Your lack of knwoledge on this subject is apparent. :thankyou:

Of course that is not the case with most Jews who hold dual citenship,most dotn ever relinquish their other citizenship..right...

It is against the law in Iran for a Jew to hold dual citizenship.

these are not propaganda but unbased truth,you do not know how many have died...1 million,2 million,,,500 000 thousand?...any number is given...and any number is accepted becasue NO ONE KNOWS..

Actually. There is evidence. And anyone who looks at this evidence knows. The Germans kept very good records of EVERYONE they killed and why they killed them. Its sad when one has such a hatred for a people that they go at all lengths to try and discredit them, when in fact they make themselves look so ignorant.

Here is how you should look at.

Everytime you try and revision the numbers of the Holocaust off the top of your head to any sane person it is like you try to prove to us that cows in reality fly around and have wings that are invisible.

There is so much proof that the Holocaust occured and 6 million Jews died that it is utterly ridiculous that anyone would try and deny it. the only people who really deny it are supports of Hitler and Socialists who are apologists for the Nazi's in general.

When you revision the numbers your downplaying the amount of Muslims who might have died in it as well.

Your case is very sad.

Go read. :giggling:

I cannot take this טמבל :thankyou:

 

[Geronimo]

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. They may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.

The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support Zionism and the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers celebrated the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press. Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.


Former president Khatami visits a Tehran Jewish center.With some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Iranian government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Iranian government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since working or attending school on the Sabbath violates Jewish law, this requirement has made it impossible for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion.

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.

In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with 2 Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally. Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community. During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.

Contacts with Jews outside Iran
Jews in Iran are not allowed to communicate with Jewish groups outside of Iran unless the group is opposed to the existence of Israel, such as Neturei Karta. Limited cultural contacts are also allowed, such as the March 2006 Jewish folk dance festival in Russia, in which a female team from Iran participated.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. They may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.

The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support Zionism and the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers celebrated the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press. Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.


Former president Khatami visits a Tehran Jewish center.With some exceptions, there is little restriction of or interference with the Jewish religious practice; however, education of Jewish children has become more difficult in recent years. The Iranian government reportedly allows Hebrew instruction, recognizing that it is necessary for Jewish religious practice. However, it strongly discourages the distribution of Hebrew texts, in practice making it difficult to teach the language. Moreover, the Iranian government has required that several Jewish schools remain open on Saturdays, the Jewish Sabbath, in conformity with the schedule of other schools in the school system. Since working or attending school on the Sabbath violates Jewish law, this requirement has made it impossible for observant Jews both to attend school and adhere to a fundamental tenet of their religion.

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.

In 2000, 10 of 13 Jews arrested in 1999 were convicted on charges of illegal contact with Israel, conspiracy to form an illegal organization, and recruiting agents. Along with 2 Muslim defendants, the 10 Jews received prison sentences ranging from 4 to 13 years. An appeals court subsequently overturned the convictions for forming an illegal organization and recruiting agents, but it upheld the convictions for illegal contacts with Israel with reduced sentences. One of the 10 was released in February 2001 and another in January 2002, both upon completion of their prison terms. Three additional prisoners were released before the end of their sentences in October 2002. In April 2003, it was announced that the last five were to be released. It is not clear if the eight who were released before the completion of their sentences were fully pardoned or were released provisionally. Even though anti-Semitic acts are rare in Iran, the trial led to the rising of tensions against the Jewish community. During and shortly after the trial, Jewish businesses in Tehran and Shiraz were targets of vandalism and boycotts, and Jewish persons reportedly have suffered personal harassment and intimidation.

Contacts with Jews outside Iran
Jews in Iran are not allowed to communicate with Jewish groups outside of Iran unless the group is opposed to the existence of Israel, such as Neturei Karta. Limited cultural contacts are also allowed, such as the March 2006 Jewish folk dance festival in Russia, in which a female team from Iran participated.

Salaam,

all this begs the question,if the jews are not "happy" then why dont they just leave?

If the jews are allowed instant citizenship in Isreal once they step on the land why dotn they go there?

can Iran monitor each and every jews who leaves Iran?

your article speak much about the harm but speak not about the action by the jews.the more it seems that the jews either tolerate the abuse or your artcile is a basic forgery or a lie.

so which is it?

If Iran is so anti judaic,then why dont the jews leave iran?
Unless you are saying Iran is forcing the jews to stay in Iran?

 

[Geronimo]

Salaam,

all this begs the question,if the jews are not "happy" then why dont they just leave?

If the jews are allowed instant citizenship in Isreal once they step on the land why dotn they go there?

can Iran monitor each and every jews who leaves Iran?

your article speak much about the harm but speak not about the action by the jews.the more it seems that the jews either tolerate the abuse or your artcile is a basic forgery or a lie.

so which is it?

If Iran is so anti judaic,then why dont the jews leave iran?
Unless you are saying Iran is forcing the jews to stay in Iran?

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time

So essentially they make it virtually impossible to leave. So now you know and knowing is half the battle GI JOE!

 

[Zulkiflim]

No I do not think you understand very clearly. Denmark is a democracy. Listen, unlike many of the countries you support, in Denmark the government does not run around silencing the press and does not restrict freedom of speech. Protest the newspaper company, not the government.

[PIE]Salaam,

Umm,so denamrk is a democracy,so why does it practise self censorship?no article on the holocasut or caricatures of other religon?
as for you,may i ask,when the 2 isrealis sodleirs were taken hostage,why kill all lebanese when they are not at fault why the mass killing?
[/PIE]

Why should he have to? It was not Denmarks government that published this cartoon.

If some newspaper in Saudi Arabia said made a cartoon about the prophet Moses, who should we blame? The Government of Saudi Arabia who has no ties to the paper, or the newspaper company and the editor who published it?

Try thinking.

[PIE]Ohh my,the sauid govermetn make a picture of a propeht,do you understand that is idolatry and haram?we wont do it,but the danes did knowing it is taboo..so what do you say??
the denamrk goverment did not print the caricature but when approached by his own people and by 11 ambassodors he rejected both council?
Why?
dont the people matter?

[/PIE]





Wow! Thank you for making my point!

All the hijackers were Saudi's but that does not mean every person in Saudi Arabia is a hujacker or is evil.

All the cartoon artists were Danes, but that does not mean the goverment or all the peope are like the artists.


[PIE]yopur point?? was? i think you should read my word again.
[/PIE]


In Iran is was a GOVERNMENT controlled newspaper.

[PIE]Of course it is supported by the Iranian goverment and they answer for it unlike some goverment that say yes it is their citizens and their people and they cant do anything or make any comment to actually alleviate the situation.[/PIE]




The US and Israeli governments do not bomb civilians because they are there. Does Hamas suicide bomb in civilian areas because the civilians are there though? Please awnser that.

[PIE]gee i guess the iraq war and the afghan was has by passed you huh.But wait,have you ehard of the rect lebanese war?
where Isreal bombed civillian with WMD ,illegal WMD and then send leaflets to tell them to elave then bomb bridges and raod and then shoot at anyone trying to elave?

hyprocrisy,or are you practising selective amnesia?
[/PIE]



:giggling:

Why just lie about something?

Jews have passport restrictions in Iran that make it so you have to go through a 1 year interview process before you leave the country if your Jewish. How about reading there laws before speaking!!!! :uhwhat

Iranian citizens are also not aloud to travel to Israel! If a Jew wanted to go to Israel from Iran, he would have to sneak out of the country and somehow get there with a restricted passport. If they are caught they are executed. Please go read Iranian law before you start posting about this again. Your lack of knwoledge on this subject is apparent. :thankyou:



It is against the law in Iran for a Jew to hold dual citizenship.

[PIE]again you mock yourself and know it not,you say that jews are barred from travelling for one year,but ehy are allwoed to travel..so why dont elave iran for good?
if you claim israel as a holy land for jews the promised land,why arent the iranian jews leaving for your "promised land"?

they need not ever retrun to Iran do they?
isnt Israel a coutnry for jews by jews with all thing jews better for jews..unless god forbid you are actually admitting that Iran is better than israel?

[/PIE]



Actually. There is evidence. And anyone who looks at this evidence knows. The Germans kept very good records of EVERYONE they killed and why they killed them. Its sad when one has such a hatred for a people that they go at all lengths to try and discredit them, when in fact they make themselves look so ignorant.

Here is how you should look at.

Everytime you try and revision the numbers of the Holocaust off the top of your head to any sane person it is like you try to prove to us that cows in reality fly around and have wings that are invisible.

There is so much proof that the Holocaust occured and 6 million Jews died that it is utterly ridiculous that anyone would try and deny it. the only people who really deny it are supports of Hitler and Socialists who are apologists for the Nazi's in general.

When you revision the numbers your downplaying the amount of Muslims who might have died in it as well.

[PIE]Word dont make the truth and you say the geramn have wel documented record when it is also clear by historians that the german did not keep record of their prisoners,not good record anyway,why keep them if they are to be killed..as they say then..
So why dont you post us a link with all the detail and i can provide you toehr data to show how much of the jews are killed.

[/PIE]

Your case is very sad.

Go read. :giggling:

I cannot take this טמבל :thankyou:

read my reply in PIE..

 

[Geronimo]

Ohh my,the sauid govermetn make a picture of a propeht,do you understand that is idolatry and haram?we wont do it,but the danes did knowing it is taboo..so what do you say??
the denamrk goverment did not print the caricature but when approached by his own people and by 11 ambassodors he rejected both council?
Why?
dont the people matter?

And yet the very same Iman that brought those cartoons to the Islamic world attention admitted that he added 3 of those pictures. That they were never printed. Where is your condemnation of him?

 

[Zulkiflim]

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jewish persons to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Iranian government is concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time

So essentially they make it virtually impossible to leave. So now you know and knowing is half the battle GI JOE!

Salaam

so let us make it into point form yes..

1) Permitted to obtain passport
2) denied multiple exit permits except for business traveller
3) Jews are to obtain additional clearance and pay extra
4) GENERALLY jewish family are not allowed to travel,but they are sometimes allwoed to.


so given it in point form yeah,,,does it really make it very IMPOSSIBLE?
you can get a passport,pay extra for clearance,and you cna "generally " bring you family out.

so the point is that the jews of iran are ALLOWED to leave,,,but they dont wish to enter Israel..

WHY?

Once they come to israel they are CITIZENS where they are free not mocked by as you say extremist and so on..
so pray tell,why wont they leave?

 

[Zulkiflim]

And yet the very same Iman that brought those cartoons to the Islamic world attention admitted that he added 3 of those pictures. That they were never printed. Where is your condemnation of him?

salaam,

wow a fib,the Imam did not MAKE the pcitures and the pictures are additional from OTHER DRAWERS..

A difference,unless you are saying that the pictures are drawn by the Imam himself...

what condemnation,he is showing trully what the brother/sister there face with an onsluaght of such deragatory pictures.

 

[Geronimo]

Salaam

so let us make it into point form yes..

1) Permitted to obtain passport
2) denied multiple exit permits except for business traveller
3) Jews are to obtain additional clearance and pay extra
4) GENERALLY jewish family are not allowed to travel,but they are sometimes allwoed to.


so given it in point form yeah,,,does it really make it very IMPOSSIBLE?
you can get a passport,pay extra for clearance,and you cna "generally " bring you family out.

so the point is that the jews of iran are ALLOWED to leave,,,but they dont wish to enter Israel..

WHY?

Once they come to israel they are CITIZENS where they are free not mocked by as you say extremist and so on..
so pray tell,why wont they leave?

They can leave but can't take their family with them. Think about it. Would you flee a country and leave your wife and kids behind knowing if you don't return all kind of horrible things can possibly be done to them because you can be considered a traitor and an enemy?

 

[therebbe]

Umm,so denamrk is a democracy,so why does it practise self censorship?no article on the holocasut or caricatures of other religon?

Actually they make pictures of many religions, and you ARE aloud to deny the Holocaust there, so that basicaly ruins your whole argument. To bad. Wrong again.

as for you,may i ask,when the 2 isrealis sodleirs were taken hostage,why kill all lebanese when they are not at fault why the mass killing?

When did I ever say Israel wasn't wrong. Israel was wrong for killing civilians and I condemn them for doing so as well. How about you condemn Muslims around the world in violent protests where people died.

Ohh my,the sauid govermetn make a picture of a propeht,do you understand that is idolatry and haram?we wont do it,but the danes did knowing it is taboo..so what do you say??

So instead of making cartoons about a prophet you get back at the Danes by making fun of a genoicide/mass murder of Jews? That makes sense! Where did that idea come from? The mental house?!? Who was the braniac who thought of that idea?

yopur point?? was? i think you should read my word again.

Read your 'word' again??? I'm still trying to decipher what your trying to say with that A+ grammar your throwing at me. :rollseyes

Of course it is supported by the Iranian goverment and they answer for it unlike some goverment that say yes it is their citizens and their people and they cant do anything or make any comment to actually alleviate the situation.

How is Iran awnsering for it again? Half the people on this forum are condoning it!

so why dont elave iran for good?
if you claim israel as a holy land for jews the promised land,why arent the iranian jews leaving for your "promised land"?

Alright. I will take it slow because you are obviously having a difficult time processing this...

• Jews in Iran are not allowed to travel to Israel
• Jews in Iran must go through in interview process for 1 year so the gov of Iran knows exactly where they will be.
• Jews in Iran are often not allowed to travel after that 1 year.
• Over 100,000 Jews have already fled Iran by foot and by sneaking out to go to Israel, and many were caught and have died by torture for just trying to leave the country!

isnt Israel a coutnry for jews by jews with all thing jews better for jews..unless god forbid you are actually admitting that Iran is better than israel?

Would you try to sneak out of Iran and leave your family behind knowing they might be killed if you refuse to come back, and knowing you will be killed if they catch you? There doing it to protect there loved ones, yet the situation is so bad Jews are still trying to get out every day!

Word dont make the truth and you say the geramn have wel documented record when it is also clear by historians that the german did not keep record of their prisoners

You are not serious are you?

The Germans documented all of there prisoners! Historians claim that the Germans might have kept the most oraginzed records ever kept! They kept papers, pictures, video everything! Your basicaly lieing right to everyones face. How patheticaly embarassing. How about stating facts if you actually want to make a point in this discussion.

So why dont you post us a link with all the detail and i can provide you toehr data to show how much of the jews are killed.

One moment...

Read all of it. If you have the courage to. The don't respond with any less. There are over thousands of web sites that have taken every argument of Holocaust deniers and proved it wrong with PROOF so do not come here and copy paster anything expecting not to get utterly embarassed.


[SIZE=+1]Nazi Documents:[/SIZE]

documentary evidence from the past.
Documents on the beginnings of the gassing program:

October 25, 1941: "Gassing Devices". Letter from Wetzel to Lohse, recommending that the head of the euthanasia program should build "gassing devices" to eliminate the Jews.
March 26, 1942: "Special Vans...or Other Remedies". Letter from Rauff to the Criminal Technical Institute, stating that "special vans" are needed at the Mauthausen concentration camp. Until they arrive, bottled poison gas must be used.
April 11, 1942: "Delousing Van". Letter to Himmler's staff describing how a "delousing van" -

quote marks in the original - will be used to clear out a camp of Jewish women and children. June 5, 1942: "97,000 have been processed". Letter to Rauff, describing in detail how the "special vans" in the East have murdered 97,000 people.

Documents on the Auschwitz death camp:

August 21, 1942: "Bathing Installations for Special Action". Describes two ovens installed in Auschwitz gassing bunkers.
August 26, 1942: "Material for Special Treatment". Permission to send a truck to pick up Zyklon-B.
September 1-5, 1942: Diary of Johann Paul Kremer. Dr. Kremer witnessed gassings in Auschwitz and wrote about them in his diary.
September 8, 1942: "Cremation capacity of 2,650 a day is not enough". A note to file by Topf engineer Karl Prüfer.

January 29, 1943: "Cremation with Simultaneous Special Treatment". It was important to conduct gassing and cremation at the same time.
January 29, 1943: "Vergasungskeller". The gas chamber room's purpose is revealed ("gassing cellar").
March 31, 1943: Krema II Inventory. Mentions the devices by which the Zyklon-B was poured into the gas chamber.

June 24, 1943: Krema III Inventory. Lists the fourteen (fake) showerheads and "one gas-tight door" installed in the gas chamber.
May 24, 1944: "Unconditional Secrecy". An SS man is sworn to secrecy "to carry out the Jewish evacuation." June/July 1944: "Revealing a State Secret". A woman is executed for having revealed Auschwitz's secrets.

Documents on the Operation Reinhard extermination camps:

July 18, 1942: "the obligation to maintain secrecy continues even after I have left the Service" A secrecy undertaking of Operation Reinhard participants.

Other Documents:

Cremation at Gusen: A Timesheet. Shows the cremation of 94 corpses in less than 20 hours on November 7, 1941.


Leuchter Consent Agreement. Holocaust Denier Fred Leuchter admits he is not an engineer and nevertheless represented himself as such.

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Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers by Jean-Claude Pressac. By permission of the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation. The seminal and still timely book on the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

IMT Volume I (370 pages). The Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, Volume I. Covering October 18 to November 13, 1945. The text has been faithfully reproduced page-by-page. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.

IMT Volume II (500 pages). Covering November 14 to November 30, 1945. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.

IMT Volume III (600 pages). Covering December 1 to December 14, 1945. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.
IMT Volume IV (570 pages). Covering December 17, 1945 to January 8, 1946. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.

The Jaeger Report (9 pages), Written by SS-Standartenfuehrer (Colonel) Karl Jaeger, commander of one of the "Einsatzkommandos" (EK 3), it provides a very detailed account of the murderous rampage of this "special squad" in Nazi-occupied USSR, and proudly documents 137,346 murders.

The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide by Dr. Robert Jay Lifton. "An agonizing account of what doctors can do when they are transformed by their culture. To read of the medical experiments at Auschwitz - 'They took us because they didn’t have rabbits' - will make it harder for us physicians ever again to be corrupted." Howard M. Spiro, M.D. Professor of Medicine, Yale Medical School.

The Stroop Report (125 pages), Major General Jürgen Stroop, 1943. The thorough Nazi record proudly documenting the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto. See also Stroop on Treblinka. Thanks to Jürgen Langowski. See introduction for notes on the English translation.</I>

Blausäure zur Schädlingsbekämpfung (70 pages), Gerhard Peters, 1933. "Prussic Acid in Pest Control." An important work for understanding the characteristics of Zyklon-B. Text transcription and translation are not yet available. Thanks to Daniel Keren.

Die Einsatzfähigkeit der Blausäure-Durchgasung bei tiefen Temperaturen (5 pages), Gerhard Peters and W. Rasch, 1941. "The Efficiency of Prussic Acid Fumigation at Low Temperatures." Addresses behavior of Zyklon-B at low temperatures.



Nochmals: Die Einsatzfähigkeit der Blausäure-Durchgasung bei tiefen Temperaturen (3 pages), R. Irmscher, 1942. "Once More: The Efficiency of Prussic Acid Fumigation at Low Temperatures." Further German research addressing the behavior of Zyklon-B at low temperatures.

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[SIZE=+1]Holocaust Denial[/SIZE]
We have a special page devoted to an examination of Holocaust denial and deniers.
Among other things, we offer a quick questions and answers page on revisionism and Holocaust deniers.
David Irving is a Holocaust denier residing in the UK who recently lost a lawsuit to Deborah Lipstadt. We now have an index organizing material about David Irving. We also offer a pamphlet for those seeking a printed concise introduction to David Irving and his lies, entitled Who is David Irving?


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[Keltoi]

Thanks for the info therebbe.

 

[Zulkiflim]

They can leave but can't take their family with them. Think about it. Would you flee a country and leave your wife and kids behind knowing if you don't return all kind of horrible things can possibly be done to them because you can be considered a traitor and an enemy?

Salaam,

wow,just now in your earlier post you say they generally CANT...but that mean sometimes can..

So now it is supposition?

you ask me to try and think about it,about what will happen to the rest of the jewish family ...

Is that what you wish to think of or what is really going on?

face it lah,from your own point you accept that jews are able to move around albeit payign extra and families are able to go off from Iran,,but they always do return to iran.

And i hope you can read this about the lone jewish minister in iran,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1807160,00.html

why not write to this Jew minister and ask him if jews are not allowed to travel with their families?
Instead of asking any of us to "think"...

 

[Keltoi]

Here is another link on this topic

http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.html

 

[therebbe]

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. They may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[26]

The anti‑Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support Zionism and the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers celebrated the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[26] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[27] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[26]

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.[26]

Sources

^ Report, Reuters, February 16 2000, cited from Bahá'í Library Online.

^ U.S. Department of State. International Religious Freedom Report 2004: Iran. Retrieved on 2006-05-14.

^ Murphy, Brian. "Iran's Jews caught again in no man's land", Associated Press, 2006-07-31. Retrieved on 2006-07-31.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Actually they make pictures of many religions, and you ARE aloud to deny the Holocaust there, so that basicaly ruins your whole argument. To bad. Wrong again.

[PIE]Really are they so lets see if they will print out the Holocaust pictures as well as the other coutnries that practise self censorship.
Can then we can talk further.[/PIE]



When did I ever say Israel wasn't wrong. Israel was wrong for killing civilians and I condemn them for doing so as well. How about you condemn Muslims around the world in violent protests where people died.



[PIE]so caught you in al lie huh,or to wake you up form your "amnesiac state" ,but i am happy that you have admitted TO YOURSELF,that the IDF targeted civillian willingly.[/PIE]



So instead of making cartoons about a prophet you get back at the Danes by making fun of a genoicide/mass murder of Jews? That makes sense! Where did that idea come from? The mental house?!? Who was the braniac who thought of that idea?

[PIE]LOL,well iit does make sense as many coutnries in europe make it a law to NOT DENY the HOLCOUST and the rest practise self censorship.

So it is simple as Ahmednijad has said simply,it is too see if the west will break their self inflicted censorship and to rpactise FULLF REEDOMW IHOUT CARING FOR OTEHRS..

As they posted the pictures KNWOING THE AFFECT,so should they NOW NOT FOLLOW THE SAME PRICNCIPLE?
Or is some people allowed to be slandered and other not.

the Holocasut is the worst that the Jews suffered under the EU or german,and it is remembered by amny there as a balck mark,and thus the self imposed censorship.

So now it is their time to embrace democarcy and embrace Iranian freedom...
we have never started this but we will end it and teach to you the cost of freedom wihtout ethics.

[/PIE]



Read your 'word' again??? I'm still trying to decipher what your trying to say with that A+ grammar your throwing at me. :rollseyes

[PIE]And not "understanding my grammar" yet you are still able to reply...wow...either my english is bad or you A level is really underlevel...[/PIE]



How is Iran awnsering for it again? Half the people on this forum are condoning it!

[PIE]How is the Iran goverment answering for it,simple they make it to your face,they say clearly what they eman instead of hiding behind the sacrcastic and offensive attitude of "FREE SPPECH AND DEMOCRACY".
they say clearly what this is about to test the west freedom of free speech.
while the danes and the eu and otehr western coutnries cover and shielf behing their socalled "civilisation" to slander and harm toehr willfully wihout thought and recourse.

[/PIE]



Alright. I will take it slow because you are obviously having a difficult time processing this...

• Jews in Iran are not allowed to travel to Israel
• Jews in Iran must go through in interview process for 1 year so the gov of Iran knows exactly where they will be.
• Jews in Iran are often not allowed to travel after that 1 year.
• Over 100,000 Jews have already fled Iran by foot and by sneaking out to go to Israel, and many were caught and have died by torture for just trying to leave the country!

Would you try to sneak out of Iran and leave your family behind knowing they might be killed if you refuse to come back, and knowing you will be killed if they catch you? There doing it to protect there loved ones, yet the situation is so bad Jews are still trying to get out every day!


[PIE]Wow,,i am not serious,,really,,well those are what the other poster said and take it up with him,
Jews are able to travel and with their families but they WONT GO TO ISRAEL..

And you suspect that it is becasue of Iranian action and murder of Jews?
Pray tell is this your hallucination speaking or your desire to make the iranian appear evil in your eyes?

At the end of the day it is simple,why dont you write a jewish letter to the lone Jewish Minister in iran?
why dont you ask his opinion ,but his view as according to the website,is becasue he loves Iran and it is his homeland.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1807160,00.html

But ofcourse dont take my word for it,why dont you send a mail to this Jewish leader in Iran unless of coruse you dont beleive he is a jew for loving iran...\

[/PIE]


You are not serious are you?

The Germans documented all of there prisoners! Historians claim that the Germans might have kept the most oraginzed records ever kept! They kept papers, pictures, video everything! Your basicaly lieing right to everyones face. How patheticaly embarassing. How about stating facts if you actually want to make a point in this discussion.



One moment...

Read all of it. If you have the courage to. The don't respond with any less. There are over thousands of web sites that have taken every argument of Holocaust deniers and proved it wrong with PROOF so do not come here and copy paster anything expecting not to get utterly embarassed.


[SIZE=+1]Nazi Documents:[/SIZE]

documentary evidence from the past.
Documents on the beginnings of the gassing program:

October 25, 1941: "Gassing Devices". Letter from Wetzel to Lohse, recommending that the head of the euthanasia program should build "gassing devices" to eliminate the Jews.
March 26, 1942: "Special Vans...or Other Remedies". Letter from Rauff to the Criminal Technical Institute, stating that "special vans" are needed at the Mauthausen concentration camp. Until they arrive, bottled poison gas must be used.
April 11, 1942: "Delousing Van". Letter to Himmler's staff describing how a "delousing van" -

quote marks in the original - will be used to clear out a camp of Jewish women and children. June 5, 1942: "97,000 have been processed". Letter to Rauff, describing in detail how the "special vans" in the East have murdered 97,000 people.

Documents on the Auschwitz death camp:

August 21, 1942: "Bathing Installations for Special Action". Describes two ovens installed in Auschwitz gassing bunkers.
August 26, 1942: "Material for Special Treatment". Permission to send a truck to pick up Zyklon-B.
September 1-5, 1942: Diary of Johann Paul Kremer. Dr. Kremer witnessed gassings in Auschwitz and wrote about them in his diary.
September 8, 1942: "Cremation capacity of 2,650 a day is not enough". A note to file by Topf engineer Karl Prüfer.

January 29, 1943: "Cremation with Simultaneous Special Treatment". It was important to conduct gassing and cremation at the same time.
January 29, 1943: "Vergasungskeller". The gas chamber room's purpose is revealed ("gassing cellar").
March 31, 1943: Krema II Inventory. Mentions the devices by which the Zyklon-B was poured into the gas chamber.

June 24, 1943: Krema III Inventory. Lists the fourteen (fake) showerheads and "one gas-tight door" installed in the gas chamber.
May 24, 1944: "Unconditional Secrecy". An SS man is sworn to secrecy "to carry out the Jewish evacuation." June/July 1944: "Revealing a State Secret". A woman is executed for having revealed Auschwitz's secrets.

Documents on the Operation Reinhard extermination camps:

July 18, 1942: "the obligation to maintain secrecy continues even after I have left the Service" A secrecy undertaking of Operation Reinhard participants.

Other Documents:

Cremation at Gusen: A Timesheet. Shows the cremation of 94 corpses in less than 20 hours on November 7, 1941.


Leuchter Consent Agreement. Holocaust Denier Fred Leuchter admits he is not an engineer and nevertheless represented himself as such.

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Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers by Jean-Claude Pressac. By permission of the Beate Klarsfeld Foundation. The seminal and still timely book on the gas chambers at Auschwitz.

IMT Volume I (370 pages). The Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, Volume I. Covering October 18 to November 13, 1945. The text has been faithfully reproduced page-by-page. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.

IMT Volume II (500 pages). Covering November 14 to November 30, 1945. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.

IMT Volume III (600 pages). Covering December 1 to December 14, 1945. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.
IMT Volume IV (570 pages). Covering December 17, 1945 to January 8, 1946. Thanks to Patrick Groff and Harry Mazal.

The Jaeger Report (9 pages), Written by SS-Standartenfuehrer (Colonel) Karl Jaeger, commander of one of the "Einsatzkommandos" (EK 3), it provides a very detailed account of the murderous rampage of this "special squad" in Nazi-occupied USSR, and proudly documents 137,346 murders.

The Nazi Doctors: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide by Dr. Robert Jay Lifton. "An agonizing account of what doctors can do when they are transformed by their culture. To read of the medical experiments at Auschwitz - 'They took us because they didn’t have rabbits' - will make it harder for us physicians ever again to be corrupted." Howard M. Spiro, M.D. Professor of Medicine, Yale Medical School.

The Stroop Report (125 pages), Major General Jürgen Stroop, 1943. The thorough Nazi record proudly documenting the destruction of the Warsaw Ghetto. See also Stroop on Treblinka. Thanks to Jürgen Langowski. See introduction for notes on the English translation.</I>

Blausäure zur Schädlingsbekämpfung (70 pages), Gerhard Peters, 1933. "Prussic Acid in Pest Control." An important work for understanding the characteristics of Zyklon-B. Text transcription and translation are not yet available. Thanks to Daniel Keren.

Die Einsatzfähigkeit der Blausäure-Durchgasung bei tiefen Temperaturen (5 pages), Gerhard Peters and W. Rasch, 1941. "The Efficiency of Prussic Acid Fumigation at Low Temperatures." Addresses behavior of Zyklon-B at low temperatures.



Nochmals: Die Einsatzfähigkeit der Blausäure-Durchgasung bei tiefen Temperaturen (3 pages), R. Irmscher, 1942. "Once More: The Efficiency of Prussic Acid Fumigation at Low Temperatures." Further German research addressing the behavior of Zyklon-B at low temperatures.

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[SIZE=+1]Holocaust Denial[/SIZE]
We have a special page devoted to an examination of Holocaust denial and deniers.
Among other things, we offer a quick questions and answers page on revisionism and Holocaust deniers.
David Irving is a Holocaust denier residing in the UK who recently lost a lawsuit to Deborah Lipstadt. We now have an index organizing material about David Irving. We also offer a pamphlet for those seeking a printed concise introduction to David Irving and his lies, entitled Who is David Irving?


Not for the faint hearted! Only click on these pics if you have the courage!!!!!!


http://www.holocaust-history.org/hungarian-photos/jpg/12-1142.jpg

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Auschw02.jpg

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/EG1.jpg

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/holocaust/images/holocausthomeimage.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a3/Nordhausen_camp.JPG/250px-Nordhausen_camp.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Childwarsawghetto.jpg/300px-Childwarsawghetto.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Einsatz1.jpg/250px-Einsatz1.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Holocaust-gas-hair.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Kovnopogrom.jpg/250px-Kovnopogrom.jpg







tahnk for links and i will study them thoroughly ,but can i say the same for you,instead of trying to manipulate people to think thatt he iranian are blcoking the jews from iran from leaving why don't you send a mail to the Jewish minister...

read my reply in PIE

 

[Zulkiflim]

Like other religious minorities in Iran, Jews suffer from officially sanctioned discrimination, particularly in the areas of employment, education, and housing. They may not occupy senior positions in the government or the military and are prevented from serving in the judiciary and security services and from becoming public school heads.[26]

The anti-Israel policies of the Iranian government, along with a perception among radical Muslims that all Jewish citizens support Zionism and the State of Israel, create a hostile atmosphere for the Jewish community. In 2004, many Iranian newspapers celebrated the one-hundredth anniversary of the publishing of the anti-Semitic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.[26] Jews often are the target of degrading caricatures in the Iranian press.[27] Jewish leaders reportedly are reluctant to draw attention to official mistreatment of their community due to fear of government reprisal.[26]

The legal system also discriminates against religious minorities who receive lower awards than Muslims in injury and death lawsuits and incur heavier punishments. In 2002, the law was passed that made the amount of "blood money" (diyeh) paid by a perpetrator for killing or wounding a Christian, Jew, or Zoroastrian man the same as it would be for killing or wounding a Muslim.[26]

Sources

^ Report, Reuters, February 16 2000, cited from Bahá'í Library Online.

^ U.S. Department of State. International Religious Freedom Report 2004: Iran. Retrieved on 2006-05-14.

^ Murphy, Brian. "Iran's Jews caught again in no man's land", Associated Press, 2006-07-31. Retrieved on 2006-07-31.

salaam,

Oh my discrimination and so much..then it must be true that the Irnaian are actually killing any jews who go isreal....NOT..

so agian dont post cut and past what you wish to beleive...and forcing other to beleive.

I asked you to ask the jews in iran,,,especially the Jewsih minister in iran...

that is if you think he is jewish despite the fact that he say he lvoes his homeland..

PS,Can you tell me,do you ahve dual citizenship? If you do why not give up your other coutnry and be a full fledged Isrealis?

I guess it is nice to have something to fall back on when soemthing goes wrong huh..

How many jewish minister have dual citizenship..

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,


the pictures trully are old,care for some new colour pictures?

why dont you take alook ate lebanon and Palestine?

trully if you are that old perhaps it will bring back fond memories of how you or yours were trotured and so on,,,but you can be assured now that you are doign it to others...

 

[therebbe]

the pictures trully are old,care for some new colour pictures?

I'm sorry that pictures from 1939-1945 seem old to you. Being that you are probably not much older than 20, you would not understand.

How about reading the documents that were scanned and I provided you with!

If you do not know German ask a member to translate it. I gave probably 20 out of the MILLIONS of documents proving the Holocaust not only existed... but 6 Million Jews died during it. Another 6 Million died who were not Jewish to!

If you want to all the facts go ahead. I couldn't care. I just get terribly saddened when someone talks out of there butt and denies what happend because of there hatred for a certain people.

You could hold yourself to a higher note.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

First off this isnt exactly what we should be doing. If u do what the west did, it wont make u any different from them. This is definitely not helping our image.

 

[Woodrow]

First off this isnt exactly what we should be doing. If u do what the west did, it wont make u any different from them. This is definitely not helping our image.

Agreed, at best it will simply be shrugged off by much of the world. It is not going to generate any major turmoil in much of the world. I would suspect that many newspapers, especialy the tabloids will publich pictures from the fair.

However, it may bring home a very significant point that many mid-easterners do not see. That is in the western world the Jews are faced with the same prejudice the Muslims face. Many Westerners do not see any differences between Jews and Muslims. You will see both indiscriminatly attacked by the same hate groups. Many, many westerners see Jews and Muslims as being 2 seperate tribes of Arabs. The Muslims and Jews do face many common enemies.

When I was growing up, I remember seeing very many anti-Jewish cartoons here in the USA. It was not until after the civil rights movement of the 1960s that Jews gained some acceptance among many Americans. Until recently Muslims kept a very low profile in the USA and many Americans were unaware that any Muslims even lived here. It was not uncommon for mosques to be mistaken for synagogues.

Even to this day we still have a number of US hate groups that are equaly against, Non-Whites, Muslims, Jews and in some areas against Irish Catholics also. The hate is spread equaly, with no distinction between Muslim or Jew.