Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

[CosmicPathos]

btw, it has been proposed that mahatama gandhi was a gay. Dont rely on him too much, sis.

 

[Na'imah]

btw, it has been proposed that mahatama gandhi was a gay. Dont rely on him too much, sis.

Lolz!;D

 

[جوري]

Must you be so condescending? :hmm:

I don't see how posting the facts is condescending? I don't even like the posts that I want to like here to avoid being condescending such as happening with this clique and at the end of the day I care about my brothers and sisters. But I will not be a silent accomplice to nonsense!

I didn't need to Google, "...that acetone is an endogenous ketone..." as I'm already aware of that fact. I also didn't Google the ingredient, "acetone." I did a search for a list of known toxic substances.

Why do you then post it with such alarm as a toxic substance and yet at the same time fail to disclose the fact of the matter?

I may not have all the degrees that you do, but I am, in fact, a very intelligent person (IQ 140.) A degree is no indication of intelligence. You may think I'm an ignorant "layperson," but you don't know me and I think it's very insulting for you to imply that I'm somehow less intelligent than you. Oh, wait! "Oh my God! She has a bachelor's, master's, and a doctorate degree!" Oh yeah, you must be so much smarter than me!

This isn't about intelligence, laurels or even forcing you to take something you're not comfortable with. This is about many of you making haram what isn't, spreading partial information and generally bullying people to accept it as facts. The fact that you make this about intellect, IQ, or degrees is more your problem than mine.. This whole thread is centered around dropping some names and yet by the same token you dislike that others with similar qualifications exactly in the field should debunk what you post?

"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"God is, even though the whole world deny him. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place." ~Mahatma Gandhi

Quotes are irrelevant and even more dangerous is the misuse and misapplication of religion.

 

[جوري]

[h=1]MMRV Vaccine Safety Studies[/h]

[h=2]Results from Studies Before MMRV Vaccine Was Licensed[/h] Here are key findings from CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) studies of MMRV vaccine (before it was licensed) among children aged 12-23 months:

• Two adverse events occurred more frequently during the 42 days after the first dose of MMRV vaccine compared with separate injections of MMR and varicella vaccines—a fever of 102° F or higher and rash. Most of the risk for fever and rash was in the 5-12 days after vaccination. These conditions typically resolved on their own.
• Soreness at the injection site was reported less often after MMRV vaccine than after MMR and varicella vaccines given in separate shots at the same visit.
• The rates of adverse events after MMRV vaccination were: Soreness at injection site: 1 child out of 5;
  Fever: 1 child out of 5; and
  Rash: 1 child out of 20.
• The rates of adverse events for MMR and varicella vaccines administered at the same visit were:
  Soreness at injection site: 1 child out of 4;
  Fever: 1 child out of 7; and
  Rash: 1 child out of 25.

Because these studies showed an increased risk for fever after MMRV vaccination, compared with vaccination with MMR and varicella vaccines in separate shots at the same visit, there was concern about a potential increased risk for febrile seizures (seizures triggered by a rising or dropping fever) after MMRV vaccination. As part of routine monitoring of vaccine safety for all new vaccines, CDC conducted studies of the safety of MMRV vaccine. In these studies, CDC analyzed data reported to the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) regarding MMRV vaccine given to children aged 12-23 months, the age when the first dose of MMRV or MMR and varicella vaccines is recommended. The study assessed the rate of several medical events after MMRV vaccination, including febrile seizures.
[h=2]Results from Studies After MMRV Vaccine Was Licensed[/h] The following findings are from CDC's Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) study of the safety of MMRV vaccine (after it was licensed) among children aged 12-23 months:

• 7-10 days after the first dose of vaccination, the rate of febrile seizures was about 2 times higher among children who received MMRV vaccine (8.5 per 10,000 children vaccinated) than among children who received measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) and varicella vaccines separately at the same visit (4.2 per 10,000 children vaccinated), mainly before MMRV vaccine became available.
• 7-10 days after vaccination, about one additional febrile seizure would be expected to occur among every 2,300 children vaccinated with first-dose MMRV vaccine compared with children vaccinated with the first doses of MMR and varicella shots at the same visit.

Merck, the manufacturer of the MMRV vaccine, also sponsored an observational study (after MMRV vaccine was licensed) of febrile seizures after the first dose of MMRV vaccine was given to children aged 12-23 months. Here are some key findings from that study:

• The rate of febrile seizures 5-12 days after first dose of vaccination was 7.0 per 10,000 children who received MMRV vaccine compared with a rate of 3.2 per 10,000 children who received measles, mumps, rubella (MMR) and varicella vaccines separately at the same visit (3.2 is the rate before MMRV vaccine became available).
• 5-12 days after vaccination, about one additional febrile seizure would be expected to occur among every 2,600 children vaccinated with the first dose of MMRV vaccine compared with children vaccinated with the first doses of MMR and varicella vaccines administered at the same visit.

These findings and other relevant data were presented to the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). In May 2010, CDC released new recommendations on the use of MMRV vaccine.
To help parents and healthcare providers better understand the ACIP recommendations, risks and benefits of MMRV vaccine, and febrile seizures, the following information is available:

• Fact Sheet for Parents on Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella
• Fact Sheet for Providers on MMR & Varicella Vaccines or MMRV Vaccine
• Frequently Asked Questions for Parents and Caregivers on MMRV Vaccines
• Frequently Asked Questions for Providers on MMRV Vaccines
• Frequently Asked Questions about Febrile Seizures Following Childhood Vaccinations
• Information on the VSD MMRV Vaccine Safety Study
• Merck Package Insert for ProQuad (MMRV vaccine) [PDF - 681 KB]

[h=2]Related Scientific Articles[/h] Jacobsen SJ, Ackerson BK, Sy LS, Tran TN, Jones TL, Yao JF, Xie F, Cheetham TC, Saddier P. Observational safety study of febrile convulsion following first dose MMRV vaccination in a managed care setting. Vaccine 2009 Jul 23;27(34):4656-61.
Klein NP, Fireman B, Yih WK, et al. Measles-mumps-rubella-varicella combination vaccine and the risk of febrile seizures. Pediatrics 2010. In press.

 

[جوري]

[h=1]Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Acellular Pertussis (DTaP) Vaccine[/h] DTaP vaccine protects from diphtheria, tetanus (lockjaw), and pertussis (whooping cough). It is designed to be given in a series of 5 doses. DTaP was first licensed in 1991, and research shows that it is much safer than the previous formulation, DTP. Currently, there are 3 licensed formulations of the DTaP vaccine. Many different clinical trials were conducted on each vaccine to make sure of its safety. Results from clinical trials showed that these vaccines are very safe for infants and children.

Currently, there are 3 licensed DTaP vaccines in the United States:

• DAPTACEL: Before licensure, 8 clinical studies were conducted and a total of 17,577 doses of DAPTACEL vaccine were administered to infants and children. Following clinical studies, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) licensed this vaccine in 2002. Since licensed, the most common adverse events reported have been tenderness and redness where the shot was given, headache, diarrhea, and fussiness. To learn more about DAPTACEL, visit FDA.
• Tripedia: In one clinical trial, over 3,000 U.S. infants and 12,000 German infants received one or more doses of Tripedia vaccine as part of the primary immunization series. The clinical trial results showed a reduction in side effects from the previous DTP formulation. FDA licensed this vaccine in 2001. Since licensed, the most common adverse events reported have been soreness where the shot was given, headache, fever, drowsiness, and fussiness. To learn more about Tripedia, visit FDA.
• INFANRIX: Approximately 95,000 doses of INFANRIX were administered in clinical studies. Clinical studies resulted in FDA licensing this vaccine in 1997. Since licensed, the most common adverse events reported have been soreness where the shot was given, headache, dizziness, and severe allergic reaction. To learn more about INFANRIX, visit FDA.

[h=2]Related Scientific Articles[/h] Benson PJ, Jackson LA, Rees TG, Dunn JB. Changes in DT vaccine frequency and indications for use following introduction of DTaP vaccine. Human Vaccine 2008;493):234-237.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Use of diphtheria toxoid-tetanus toxoid-acellular pertussis vaccine as a five-dose series: supplemental recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). MMWR 2000;49(RR13):1-8.
Rosenthal S, Chen R, Hadler S. The safety of acellular pertussis vaccine vs. whole-cell pertussis vaccine: a postmarketing assessment. Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med 1996;150(5):457-460.

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people can see studies on the vaccines and adverse effect profile on the same page!

 

[Scimitar]

Currently, there are 3 licensed DTaP vaccines in the United States:

only three? ^o)

This is about many of you making haram what isn't

It's about choice sis, please don't get that twisted. If this is what the issue is for you then, it is solved.

You just have to be able to accept the fact that some of us are against certain immunizations... that is all

Scimi

 

[جوري]

Can't visit page 8 for direct quote!
At any rate akhi, please see my quote below:

or even forcing you to take something you're not comfortable with. This is about many of you making haram what isn't,

You're not the first nor the last persons to refuse preventative measures or treatment. And I think that the entire thread is studded with folks asserting that no one can force any treatment or vaccine on you. There's a syndrome here of not reading but being inflammatory when countered.
I am perfectly ok with communities living like the amish & hutrites if they feel that life style suits them.. I am not however OK forcing that life style on others or turning others into sinners for not accepting said lifestyle..

I think all that needs to be said here has been said!

 

[Na'imah]

"Worst than not reading is frank dishonesty, such as with the sister with similar agenda to yours who posts something as a 'toxic' substance and yet fails to disclose that it is also a naturally occurring compound in the body.
Would you not consider that equally haram to making what is lawful haram especially when she alleges that she knew that all along and that the rest of us are being condescending as if having a valid assessment of the situation is some sort of crime."


So, because I didn't mention that acetone is a naturally occurring compound in the body, that makes me dishonest? Seriously? I didn't bother mentioning it, because I took for granted that everyone here is so "educated" that I didn't need to mention that. Do you even know what "condescending" means? You don't seem to. :hmm:

We're not making anything haram. We merely stated that some vaccines contain haram ingredients. You can't deny that and you need to stop putting words into other people's mouths and "assuming."

Yes, acetone is a naturally occurring substance in the body. That doesn't mean we can or should inject or ingest extra and not think it won't (possibly) have some kind of deleterious effects. You also can't deny that it can be toxic in excessive amounts. There are many things that can be toxic in excessive amounts. I, personally, don't want acetone injected into my body. That's my right. Water is a naturally occurring substance in our bodies, but you can DIE if you ingest too much in a short period of time.

I have never just accepted the word of anyone, without researching for myself. I don't care what these "trusted" doctors and researchers say...I trust no one. If I did accept the words of others as absolute truth, I would never have accepted Islam. I say, Alhamdulillah for inquisitive minds!

As for bullying? How, exactly is expressing an opinion, bullying? I see no arm-twisting going on here or, "if you don't accept this, I'm gonna do this, this, or that." ^o)

As for quotes, I happen to love quotes. It's irrelevant that you find that irrelevant. Lolz!

Obviously, it's clear that not everyone agrees on this issue. I will not inject/ingest KNOWN toxic substances into my body or the body of my loved ones. If you and others feel comfortable doing so, more power to you.

Peace, out. :statisfie

 

[جوري]

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So, because I didn't mention that acetone is a naturally occurring compound in the body, that makes me dishonest? Seriously? I didn't bother mentioning it, because I took for granted that everyone here is so "educated" that I didn't need to mention that. Do you even know what "condescending" means? You don't seem to. :hmm:

I believe only you can honestly answer why you didn't disclose the information. To me the natural conclusion is
a- You didn't know (and I am so inclined to believe)
b- You were being dishonest

We're not making anything haram. We merely stated that some vaccines contain haram ingredients. You can't deny that and you need to stop putting words into other people's mouths and "assuming."

It pays to read then before you write, I invite you to read all of Cosmic, and scimi's posts before you 'like' them.

Yes, acetone is a naturally occurring substance in the body. That doesn't mean we can or should inject or ingest extra and not think it won't (possibly) have some kind of deleterious effects. You also can't deny that it can be toxic in excessive amounts. There are many things that can be toxic in excessive amounts. I, personally, don't want acetone injected into my body. That's my right. Water is a naturally occurring substance in our bodies, but you can DIE if you ingest too much in a short period of time.

Oh I wasn't aware litres existed in a 30 guage 1 ml syringe.. you're ab****ely right, what were thinking.

I have never just accepted the word of anyone, without researching for myself. I don't care what these "trusted" doctors and researchers say...I trust no one. If I did accept the words of others as absolute truth, I would never have accepted Islam. I say, Alhamdulillah for inquisitive minds!

Yunus[10:108] [RECITE]

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Qul ya ayyuha alnnasu qad jaakumu alhaqqu min rabbikum famani ihtada fainnama yahtadee linafsihi waman dalla fainnama yadillu AAalayha wama ana AAalaykum biwakeelin​

10:108 Say: "O ye men! Now Truth hath reached you from your Lord! those who receive guidance, do so for the good of their own souls; those who stray, do so to their own loss: and I am not (set) over you to arrange your affairs." ​

you're not doing me any favors by accepting Islam.

As for bullying? How, exactly is expressing an opinion, bullying? I see no arm-twisting going on here or, "if you don't accept this, I'm gonna do this, this, or that." ^o)

So long as you concede it is nothing more than personal opinion!

As for quotes, I happen to love quotes. It's irrelevant that you find that irrelevant. Lolz!

Ma shaa Allah--so clever!

Obviously, it's clear that not everyone agrees on this issue. I will not inject/ingest KNOWN toxic substances into my body or the body of my loved ones. If you and others feel comfortable doing so, more power to you.

Peace, out. :statisfie

guess that should include everything including water and apples... best to think of how to crystalize your conviction because you end up contradicting yourself..

best,

 

[جوري]

only three? ^o)

Yes. only three DTaP.. you're welcome to show me how much more exist.. In fact many vaccines are discontinued and companies are shut down because of campaigns of people such as yourselves. Imagine folks working on a malaria vaccine which could save millions of lives and then quitting half way because of rumors, misinfrmation etc. especially considering that said vaccine would target Africans & no money would be made from it and we all know how big pharm co. is secretly wanting to either make zillions or eradicate populations. So they stopped it in its tracks.

 

[Na'imah]

I believe only you can honestly answer why you didn't disclose the information. To me the natural conclusion is
a- You didn't know (and I am so inclined to believe)
b- You were being dishonest

Nice! So, now you're calling me a liar? I already stated why. I don't care if you believe it or not.

It pays to read then before you write, I invite you to read all of Cosmic, and scimi's posts before you 'like' them.

Just because one "likes" a post, doesn't necessarily mean one agrees with everything stated in said post. There you go, "assuming" again. ^o)

Oh I wasn't aware litres existed in a 30 guage 1 ml syringe.. you're ab****ely right, what were thinking.

Cumulative! Cumulative!

you're not doing me any favors by accepting Islam.

Thanks for that wonderful show of support! :hmm:

Ma shaa Allah--so clever!

Yes it was!

 

[Na'imah]

Sorry, I fudged the quoting thing...still learning! :embarrass Lolz!

 

[جوري]

Nice! So, now you're calling me a liar? I already stated why. I don't care if you believe it or not.

Like I said only you can honestly answer that question!

Just because one "likes" a post, doesn't necessarily mean one agrees with everything stated in said post. There you go, "assuming" again. ^o)

Then what is the point of liking a post unless the opinion therein represents your own?

Cumulative! Cumulative!

OH? how many litres of do you propose there are cumulatively considering most immunizations are had during childhood and made in ped dosages.

Thanks for that wonderful show of support!

:hmm:

That was a direct quote from the noble Quran.. Islam is Allah swt favor upon you.. neither God nor I as a human being gain anything from your conversion or non conversion.

Yes it was!

A self-satisfied congratulation is truly a sad state of affairs.

 

[Na'imah]

;D Cumulative, as in including environmental toxins, etc...they all add up.

Maybe God doesn't gain anything, but I'm not so sure about mankind. I would think that more people in Islam only makes the Ummah stronger and benefits us all in so many different ways. My opinion only...I'm sure you'll find a way to tear it to shreds. :hiding:

As for being self-satisfied...it was my, apparently pathetic, attempt at humor. mg:

 

[جوري]

;D Cumulative, as in including environmental toxins, etc...they all add up.

Even peanut butter will have a fatal event on a certain percentage of the population.

Maybe God doesn't gain anything, but I'm not so sure about mankind. I would think that more people in Islam only makes the Ummah stronger and benefits us all in so many different ways. My opinion only...I'm sure you'll find a way to tear it to shreds. :hiding:

We're only as strong in a chain as our weakest link.

As for being self-satisfied...it was my, apparently pathetic, attempt at humor. mg:

OK, thank you

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

We should rely upon Allah and ask Him to assist us in our times of need. The use of ruqya (supplication to Allah) is much more powerful than any medicine that is available because Allah is the only One Who can send the cure.

Oh yeah, that's why the Prophet (saw) took medicine when he needed it. He clearly didn't know that ruqya was more powerful right?

These kind of ridiculous articles try to be more religious than the religion itself. I really hope no one here is taking it seriously. It's well-intentioned stupidity masked by religious zeal and incorrect understanding of the religion that can potentially harm lots and lots of people who don't know any better.

Trust Allah, know the cure is from Him, but take the means that He has provided through contemporary medicine and science. This religion wasn't meant to isolate you, it was meant to inspire you to benefit mankind. It was the Muslims who were the top scientists, doctors and the most knowledgeable about medicine in history. Articles like these are an insult to their memory and work.

I wouldn't care if the article presented an opinion against taking vaccines -that is totally fine and is for medical specialists to discuss. But coupling that with the religion in order to make it seem like the author's position is more acceptable because of quoting some Qur'an or Hadeeth that have nothing to do with her point - that is academically dishonest and a disservice.

 

[Scimitar]

nor do I pretend Islamic scholarship whereby I make Haram what Allah swt made Halal.

This was the first post you made sis, where you implied that we are making haraam what is halaal...

since then, you have claimed falsely that we are saying immunization is haraam, in over 7 other posts of yours at least... you cannot prove that we claimed immunization was haraam - BECUASE WE NEVER SAID THAT, so what the HECK do you have a problem with? Opinion that doenst match your own? Grow up. And DO NOT ACCUSE US OF MAKING HARAM WHAT IS HALAL.

Infact, go back to the first four pages of this thread - the word haraam was not used at all - does it surprise you that you was the first one to use the word "haraam" in this thread? Next time, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

This whole debate is about personal opinion... the "WOULD YOU?" or "WOULDN'T YOU?"... pfft.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

This was the first post you made sis, where you implied that we are making haraam what is halaal...

since then, you have claimed falsely that we are saying immunization is haraam, in over 7 other posts of yours at least... you cannot prove that we claimed immunization was haraam - BECUASE WE NEVER SAID THAT, so what the HECK do you have a problem with? Opinion that doenst match your own? Grow up. And DO NOT ACCUSE US OF MAKING HARAM WHAT IS HALAL.

Infact, go back to the first four pages of this thread - the word haraam was not used at all - does it surprise you that you was the first one to use the word "haraam" in this thread? Next time, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

This whole debate is about personal opinion... the "WOULD YOU?" or "WOULDN'T YOU?"... pfft.

Scimi

I am trying to go to the previous pages, and both firefox and aol skip jumping either to one or 7.. in shaa Allah when the problem is fixed I'll quote you both directy, and if not I'll try to do it through my phone.

 

[TrueStranger]

In Washington state there is a good portion of high and middle class Americans who decided not to vaccinate their children. And the State is currently facing a whooping cough epidemic as a result of their decisions.

Whooping cough is not a disease many Americans worry about. It's become extremely rare because of agressive vaccination efforts. But, now, for a variety of reasons, a new outbreak has emerged in Washington State, which has left doctors scrambling to contain it

Public health officials say there is nearly 1,300 cases so far this year, more than 10 times last year’s numbers.

According to a federal study of kindergarten-age children released last year, Washington State had the highest percentage of parents nationally who voluntarily exempted their children from receiving one or more vaccines, out of fear of side effects or for philosophical reasons.

http://www.pri.org/stories/health/whooping-cough-epidemic-reported-in-washington-state-9888.html