Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

[~Zaria~]

:hmm:......

 

[Na'imah]

She is clearly talking about the ingredients being haram, not the vaccines themselves. Sheesh!

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

vaccinations for babies show absolutely no faith in Allah - and I have a massive problem with that.

Have you heard of this hadith in Bukhari:

The Messenger (saw) said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."

Ibn Hajr (ra) in his Fath al Bari quotes at-Tabari in explaining this hadeeth who said that this hadeeth does not stress cleanliness or impurity, but rather it stresses on how to prevent disease as a result of a fly falling into a container of liquid (bayan al-tadawi min darar al-dhubab).

Now tell me, did the Prophet (saw) show "absolutely no faith in Allah" when he taught his Companions how to prevent disease by taking action before it occurs?

 

[جوري]

Those in the archives did suffer... first cases of recorded cerebral palsy and other weird sounding things all documented. I read some of those files and if you think those patients didn't suffer - well... meh?

And the children I sat down next to in my lunch hours were also suffering... poor kids. But you know, there are kids in the third world who have the same issues, and no hospital, so I turn it on you and say, go to them, and witness it yourself. Humility goes two ways...

Scimi

indeed why many of us choose medicine and why many of us volunteer our time to help!

 

[Abz2000]

Obama Appoints Monsanto's VP as Senior Advisor to the Commissioner FDA
Friday, 19 August 2011 08:30

'Michael Taylor was just appointed senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. This is the same man that was in charge of FDA policy when GMO's were allowed into the US food supply without undergoing a single test to determine their safety. He "had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA [and then] he became Monsanto's Vice President and chief lobbyist. This month [he] became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. This is no joke".'

It’s a game where lobbyists write check after check and Exxon turns record profits, while you pay the price at the pump and our planet is put at risk. That’s what happens when lobbyists set the agenda, and that’s why they won’t drown out your voices anymore when I am president of the United States of America.
barrack obama,

Britain is protecting the biggest heroin crop of all time
The Taliban had reduced the opium crop to precisely nil. I would not advocate their methods for doing this, which involved lopping bits, often vital bits, off people. The Taliban were a bunch of mad and deeply unpleasant religious fanatics. But one of the things they were vehemently against was opium.
That is an inconvenient truth that our spin has managed to obscure. Nobody has denied the sincerity of the Taliban's crazy religious zeal, and they were as unlikely to sell you heroin as a bottle of Johnnie Walker.
They stamped out the opium trade, and impoverished and drove out the drug warlords whose warring and rapacity had ruined what was left of the country after the Soviet war.
That is about the only good thing you can say about the Taliban; there are plenty of very bad things to say about them. But their suppression of the opium trade and the drug barons is undeniable fact.
Now we are occupying the country, that has changed. According to the United Nations, 2006 was the biggest opium harvest in history, smashing the previous record by 60 per cent. This year will be even bigger.




Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-biggest-heroin-crop-time.html#ixzz1z7ez3LqE

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Feds raid Amish dairy and threaten action over raw milk sales

Farmer Dan Allgyer’s farm was raided by the same agents who paid him a visit back in February, telling him both times that they were there for an “inspection”. Just like last time, the agents drove flagrantly past “No Trespassing” and “Private Property”, this time arriving around 4:30 a.m. when Allgyer’s family was still asleep and as he was preparing to milk his cows.The group began to interrogate Allgyer, and served him a warrant claiming they had “credible evidence” that he was involved in interstate commerce involving raw milk. According to Allgyer’s personal account, upon being questioned as to why the agents were at the farm so early when the warrant clearly stated that it was valid only at “reasonable times during ordinary business hours”, one of them retorted that “ordinary business hours for agriculture start at 5 a.m.”


i personally am not against finding good things which Allah has sent our way, but with all this happening, i'll take the risk and wait til khilafah - and inshaAllah help work towards that before i willingly take any of that.​

 

[Na'imah]

That those in the archives, on computers or at home aren't suffering like those ridden in a hospital beds (many from preventable dz)

And how, pray tell, do you know that none of us suffer? How do you know that perhaps one of our children doesn't suffer, or that several or all of them suffer? I happen to have two step children who suffer tremendously. They both have kidney disease. I'm surprised you would make such a comment. :hmm:

 

[جوري]

And how, pray tell, do you know that none of us suffer? How do you know that perhaps one of our children doesn't suffer, or that several or all of them suffer? I happen to have two step children who suffer tremendously. They both have kidney disease. I'm surprised you would make such a comment. :hmm:

Please follow the order of the thread and things will make better sense to you!

 

[Scimitar]

Have you heard of this hadith in Bukhari:

The Messenger (saw) said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."

Yes, I love it. Poor fly

Ibn Hajr (ra) in his Fath al Bari quotes at-Tabari in explaining this hadeeth who said that this hadeeth does not stress cleanliness or impurity, but rather it stresses on how to prevent disease as a result of a fly falling into a container of liquid (bayan al-tadawi min darar al-dhubab).

Now tell me, did the Prophet (saw) show "absolutely no faith in Allah" when he taught his Companions how to prevent disease by taking action before it occurs?

Prevent a disease that no one has got? or only affects a very small percentage of new born babies? Have you read the reports in the previous pages? My cousins baby didn't get immunization, she's going thru all sorts with the NHS at the moment because she refuses it... She came to the decision that she won't immunize her baby thru her own research... btw her sister is a Doctor. So hey, you know, even some Doctors are against immunization you know. And for very good reason. Please read thru the reports I have quoted in this thread and then re-post that hadeeth.

Scimi

 

[~Zaria~]

May Allah (subhanawatala') protect all our anti-vacciners and their families from all types of health conditions, including those infectious.

May none be inflicted by the likes of fungal infections - e.g. Cryptococcus - a fungus that exists by the WILL of ALLAH - that is a means of testing some within His creation
..........which would require the use of Amphotericin B for cure, (by the will of Allah).......the same ingredient that has been listed as 'nasty stuff' by some.

May Allah protect them from ever requiring any medical intervention -

- be it surgery after a car accident (which would require anaesthesia consisting of a potent combination of chemicals that stops your breathing!),

- or immune suppressants for potentially life-threatening conditions such as Lupus and Myasthenia Gravis,

- or Diabetes that requires Insulin which is made "in a special non-disease-producing laboratory strain of Escherichia coli bacteria (Oh no!) and contains ingredients such as Sodium hydroxide and/or hydrochloric acid to adjust its pH.

- May Allah favour His choicest blessings on them - such that they may Never need the aid of a flawed, westernised medical system, and that all their ailments can be relieved/ cured by natural means: - whether that includes chewing on a piece of garlic, drinking spring water and eating organic food.
Alhamdulillah.

For the rest of us weak-bodied souls:

Alas - Mr Smith has contracted severe pneumococcal pneumonia and needs to be ventilated.
and Ms Kubheka is paraplegic from the TB that has affected her spine.

So much for their own natural immune systems warding off such disease.

But, Alhamdulillah for the knowledge that our Rabb has bestowed on us, and continues to bestow.

For we know that:
"There is no disease that Allah has created,except that He also has created its remedy."
Bukhari

and:

Usamah ibn Shuraik narrated:

"... 'O Allah's Messenger! Should we seek medical treatment for our illnesses?' He replied: 'Yes, you should seek medical treatment, because Allah, the Exalted, has let no disease exist without providing for its cure, except for one ailment, namely, old age'."
Tirmidhi


SubhanAllah.

It is not a single cure that can be applied to all ailments.

And certainly, medical professionals will continue around the globe to find these cures and means, to insha Allah, prevent others suffering similar fates- by the mercy of Allah.

Ameen.

:wasalamex

 

[Na'imah]

Please follow the order of the thread and things will make better sense to you!

D'uhhh, uhhh, duhhh, uuhhh, errmmm...okaaaay. Nyuck, nyuck! Doh! ;D

 

[Muezzin]

Okay, can we stop mocking each other please? We can discuss matters without promoting division.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

Prevent a disease that no one has got? or only affects a very small percentage of new born babies? Have you read the reports in the previous pages? My cousins baby didn't get immunization, she's going thru all sorts with the NHS at the moment because she refuses it... She came to the decision that she won't immunize her baby thru her own research... btw her sister is a Doctor. So hey, you know, even some Doctors are against immunization you know. And for very good reason. Please read thru the reports I have quoted in this thread and then re-post that hadeeth.

Scimi

Like I said earlier, I don't really care about the medical aspects of it - as I'm not a doctor.

My issue is with the concept of taking a preventative measure in order to prevent disease and harm. You said doing so would equal lack of faith in Allah - I showed that this was something established in our deen - that we take preventative measures in order to offset the chance of getting a disease in the future.

Now if you have a problem with the ingredients, that's a different discussion. If this is the case, then you shouldn't have brought in 'faith in Allah' as it has nothing to do with it agreeing with certain ingredients or not.

 

[Muhaba]

as they say, neem hakeem khatra'i jaan neem mulla khatra'i eemaan, half doctor is a danger to life, half scholar is a danger to faith.

 

[جوري]

Okay, can we stop mocking each other please? We can discuss matters without promoting division.

I don't understand Klingon so whatever the intent it was lost on deaf ears.

 

[Asiyah3]

Thanks to vaccinations we disease doesn't exist anymore. Wal-hamdulillah.

 

[جوري]

but i would also be correct in looking at the claims of all the doctors who saw the adverse side effects from it.
and personally - sadly - i'm more inclined to pay more attention to the non official one who doesn't stand to gain after all the corruption i've seen PERSONALLY - especially in the medical industry.

I have never seen a medication or vaccination or surgery that didn't come with a side effect profile and by law we're required to tell the patients of said profile at least in the U.S under OBRA 90 or the patient can stand to make alot of money. Most healthcare givers here are eager to avoid litigations.
A person who can also prove a side effect profile that wasn't visible during clinical trials but let's say phase IV can also stand to make alot of money..

Now, does your apple come with a warning? Apple seeds have cyanogenic acids.. small amounts won't kill you.. we have heart meds and patches with similar chemical compounds & similar side effect profile but I am sure the apple and the NTG won't be met with the same scrutnity since one is 'natural' and the other from 'big pharma'... I think it is absurd to focus on a negligible side effect profile without weighing both pros & cons of any vaccine/med/surgical intervention..

 

[Abz2000]

that we take preventative measures in order to offset the chance of getting a disease in the future.

vaccines aren't normally like traditional medication, they are a suppressed version of the disease itself which are intended to get the body to fight it and record it in it's biological "database".
one problem is the fact that some of the crooks given the trust to make them very often lie about or suppress the negative side effects, especially of the preservatives - which not only prevent it from being "alive" or rotting, but also cause harm to the body,
sort of like putting loads of chlorine or toilet cleaner in ur drinking water to kill germs. some being highly toxic and leaving long term detrimental side effects - such as mercury - about which they initially lied despite the outcry.
doctors told patients it was totally safe without having tests themselves.
and it was later found to be true - that mercury kills brain tissue.

another stupid thing they did was "save money" by giving multiple shots of different diseases to the same child at the same time.
leaving the body often unable to differentiate between the difference, whether it was all one disease, or totally separate unrelated diseases.

anyone who knows the very basics of how the immune system works will be able to tell you that the body records it's own reactions and which reaction and release of agents worked to combat it. and preserves that data for future encounters.
and if it is made to fight several totally alien diseases at one and the same time - it can assume that they are not different diseases but one attack.
and that naturally the body is most likely to do the same thing as before and release the same agents as before.

so if hit by a certain specific virus in a concentrated amount, it can be confused rather than informed.

although this is a very rough explanation of differing scenarios, there are thousands of doctors out there who agree with vaccines yet adamantly cry out regarding the "all-in-one" doses from which pharmaceutical companies benefit,
the government saves, doctors get paid less, and the public can pass on a warped database to their future generations.

anyway, may Allah give us all the ability to look at things critically rather than accepting them straight off when they come from fasiq sources.

here's a nutcase woman claiming mercury in the drinking water is good for people,
and another man claiming lithium is good for people because it turned out there were less suicides in a test area where people had lithium in their local water.
well, it also indicates that the people may have become apathetic to all their troubles in life sort of like brain-dead zombies.
rather than look into the social / financial factors and injustices etc, they see drugging them with battery acid as a solution.
that is amazing.

 

[Muhaba]

Thanks to Allah Who gave man the power and ability to make vaccines and Who made his attempts successful and Who made the vaccines work. Nothing happens unless Allah wills it to happen.

 

[جوري]

which not only prevent it from being "alive" or rotting, but also cause harm to the body,

We actually have two types of vaccines, live attenuated and killed. live attenuated can be dangerous in immune compromised individuals and pregnant women, as such we prefer to give them (specifically to AIDS and cancer patients and in the case of Rubella) to pregnant women three months prior to pregnancy to avoid conversion. For AIDS we wait until the CD count goes up or before it goes down to administer it and some schools of thought are of the mind that we should give anyway no matter what the count for even limited immunity is better than no immunity even with the small risk of conversion.
The preservatives that you have in mind like thimerosal which is an organomercury is removed from vaccines and what we have currently on the market is extensively tested and very safe.
Like I said earlier even peanut butter and apples will come with fatalities. It is a matter of risk vs. benefit. Most of society weigh that in their mind and decide that it is better than laying in a hospital bed with various ailments, or coma or death..

 

[Abz2000]

Thanks to Allah Who gave man the power and ability to make vaccines and Who made his attempts successful and Who made the vaccines work. Nothing happens unless Allah wills it to happen.

sister, it's not a black and white issue,
there are many factors involved, including who is making them, who is profiting from it, and what the side effects are,
let me give you a couple of extreme examples:
i could tell you that i have a drug which would almost wipe out violent crime and anger related incidents,
everyone on the planet takes prozac, would you accept that? - i wouldn't.
i could tell you i could get rid of aids and every other illness on the planet, will you take the shot?
all that it would require is that 8 billion human beings took a bullet to the head?
it is true that there would be no more illness, and i could even provide you with statistics to back that up - it still wouldn't be accepted, because common sense tells you that all of humanity dying isn't a price worth paying for the riddance of disease.
so it's definitely not a black and white issue when you take everything else into consideration.
again, i have never said that vaccines don't work, but the suppressed side effects, and especially the people who make it certainly raises questions in the mind of someone who is awake to some of the crazy things they do.

again, some of the influential people pushing them are also the ones who are pushing for depopulation, and some have even been caught purposefully injecting people with syphilis with vaccines, and many haven't been caught, there are also many things we don't know and wont know for decades to come - including the effects on fertility and general well being - including genetics.

The fact that living things inherit traits from their parents has been used since prehistoric times to improve crop plants and animals through selective breeding. However, the modern science of genetics, which seeks to understand the process of inheritance, only began with the work of Gregor Mendel in the mid-19th century

we cannot just say it works for one specific thing so we should hang anyone who shows us the adverse effects, when we know it is a learning curve and not a divine command from the knower of the unseen.

i may not take vaccines, but i do sometimes do weird things like buy fruits off a stall and walk down the street eating them without washing, or when i go abroad buy stir fried chick peas off a street vendor who's wrapped it in some kid's used exam paper.
and my older brother will go loony, what are you doing, your gonna die!!!
i tell them you may as well go to restaurants that llok like operating theaters where they wear white lab coats, wash everything in antiseptic and present them in vacuum flasks.
anyone can tell you that those things boost the immune system (as long as they don't die of it lol).
yet they are usually the first to fall ill when exposed to such situations.
God knows, but He gave us a wonderful world with balances and choices, sometimes you die anyway, why be a domesticated sterile pet when you can be a wild free one?
we all die.

and to balance out the hadith regarding medicine, i would just like to add another to remove any misconceptions that it might be some sort of blanket command:

(742) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas and 'Aisha: Abu Bakr kissed (the forehead of) the Prophet when he was dead. 'Aisha added: We put medicine in one side of his mouth but he started waving us not to insert the medicine into his mouth. We said, "He dislikes the medicine as a patient usually does." But when he came to his senses he said, "Did I not forbid you to put medicine (by force) in the side of my mouth?" We said, "We thought it was just because a patient usually dislikes medicine." He said, "None of those who are in the house but will be forced to take medicine in the side of his mouth while I am watching, except Al-'Abbas, for he had not witnessed your deed." (Al Bukhari - Book #71, Hadith #610)