Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

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Will of Allah
We often forget that what happens in our lives comes from the Will and Power of Allah. Nothing occurs except what has been decreed by Allah. Although we do have some limited control over events, the ultimate control is with Us are its depositories, and We do not send it down except according to a known (specified) measure.” (15:21).
“Say you (o Muhammad): ‘Indeed the affairs belong wholly to Allah.’ (Qur’an 3:154)
If a child is to experience an illness, this is from the decree of Allah; and if he is to be cured from it, this is also from the decree of Allah. To rely upon humans to somehow prevent or cure the child without also trusting in Allah, is a sign of weakness in faith. Whatever good or bad happens to us we should say “Alhumdulillah” because it is from Allah and He has decreed it for some reason (either as a test or as punishment). Allah says,
“No calamity befalls, but with the leave (decision and Qadar) of Allah, and whosoever believes in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah is the all Knower of everything.” (Qur’an 64:11).
We should rely upon Allah and ask Him to assist us in our times of need. The use of ruqya (supplication to Allah) is much more powerful than any medicine that is available because Allah is the only One Who can send the cure.

The Truth Be Told Harram in many vaccines include human foetuses, gelatine from pork, alcohol, and human and animal parts. These najis (unclean), haraam ingredients are not given in a state of emergency to save life at present. It is ridiculous to introduce myriad infective agents into millions of people as a “just in case” prevention of future infection. It is very wrong that Muslim doctors have adopted a medical intervention that contains so many haraamsand harmful chemicals.
In Islam, the human body is holy. We should protect and keep it natural, pure, healthy and safe. As vaccines are neither pure nor natural, it is no wonder that science and medicine have found them to be so incredibly dangerous. A well-orchestrated pharmaceutical industry plan of scaremongering exists to create fear in parents who do not vaccinate their children. Doctors and governments have been indoctrinated and corrupted by a gigantic and incredibly powerful industry into advocating obligatory vaccination, contrary to health and human and religious rights. This has happened not to advance health, but for profit. Vaccines should not be pushed or forced on anyone.

Do you know how many hajis would die? If so, according to whom? As far as I know, Allah has appointed a time of death for all of us. Read the other article and then watch the full video posted, then we can continue this conversation.

This is from page one alone!

 

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SO you took the valid information that they posted citing that the ingredients are haraam and therefore assumed that they are claiming immunization is haraam? Don't put words in their mouth... that is not right!

The least you could have done (and you owe it to yourself to clarify if unsure) is to ask them if they consider the vaccines haraam, rather than accuse them of claiming they were haraam, right?

Scimi

 

[جوري]

refer also to your post number 72 specifically the portion 'Islam and Medical science must oppose vaccination'' and then later on the bottom the case opposing it. and especially your post number 76. for now

 

[جوري]

SO you took the valid information that they posted citing that the ingredients are haraam and therefore assumed that they are claiming immunization is haraam? Don't put words in their mouth... that is not right!

The least you could have done (and you owe it to yourself to clarify if unsure) is to ask them if they consider the vaccines haraam, rather than accuse them of claiming they were haraam, right?

I wasn't done see the last post, and in shaa Allah if I have time and the ability I'll go through each single post as the inferences themselves are equaly damaging. Be that as it may. The sister prior posted (toxic/haram) ingredients and we have shown her that's a naturaly occuring compound in the body, so are we to also question the will of Allah for making said biochemical compounds while by same token d@mning those who use similar compounds for preventative medicine as its synthetic pathway in the body takes a known course for detoxification and extretion?
A couple of posts ago you conceded that I was pointing out something you'd not done at all, and now that evolves as posts are brought forward. You're correct in that it isn't right. I am not here to be venegeful or hurtful and that should really be a two way stream!

 

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Those are quoted articles sponsoring similar opinions to my own, not everything is to be agreed with and they provide some interesting views which are rlelvant to the discussion at hand - but you have managed to selectively pick up on bits and pieces and lose sight of the main points we are making... it's becoming a habit. Break it!

Find me one member who has blatantly said, with their own words - that "vaccination is haraam". There isn't. I already read thru the whole thread. So your point falls mute.

Scimi

 

[~Zaria~]

This whole debate is about personal opinion... the "WOULD YOU?" or "WOULDN'T YOU?"... pfft.

Scimi

Is it akhee?

......all I know is, vaccinations for babies show absolutely no faith in Allah - and I have a massive problem with that.

To think that western medicine has gotten to the stage where Pig hearts and Monkey cells are used to "fix" humans... just think:

Bukhari 7.494B:
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allahwill destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, andHe will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


Abu Dawud, Book 32, Number 4028:
Narrated Abu Amir or Abu Malik:
AbdurRahman ibn Ghanam al-Ash'ari said: Abu Amir or Abu Malik told me--I swear by Allah another oath that he did not believe me that he heard the Apostle of Allah say: There will be among my community people who will make lawful (the use of) khazz and silk. Some of them will be transformed into apes and swine.​​

Scimi

The word 'haraam' may not have been used in this thread in relation to vaccines.

But certainly, it has been made to appear that those who wish to vaccinate have a weakness in their imaans.

The above ahadith has also been completely taken out of context - implying that those who vaccinate may be of the accursed group of people who are transformed into apes and swine.


These sorts of posts (and a few others) are insultive to pro-vaccinators and in a very misleading way, trying to connect Islam with this issue.


And Allah knows best.

:wa:

 

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are insultive to pro-vaccinators

Surely you can do better than that Zaria. Insulted because you are pro vaccine? ... an opinion can make you feel insulted? I don't even know how to respond to such "petty pain posts".

My opinion, sister Zaria, is that immunization is a con. I have only ever had one immunization injection as a child and I do not get colds and flu's like others... I know two other people who escaped the immunizations because they made a kerfuffle about it, and they too do not get ill as often a=or as for as long as others without these vaccinations do.

My doctor marvels at my immune system, Alhamdulillah - so naturally, I would sponsor the opinion that immunization is a CON. And some of the evidences for which, have been provided in this thread.

You can inject your babies with porcine and monkey whatever if you like - that's up to you. I won;t think any lesser of you if you do, as that is YOUR CHOICE...

That is what this is all about - CHOICE.

Know what strikes me as odd? That you know you live in an age of deception, yet you don't know how to see that deception... alhamdulillah, Allah opened my eyes to it.

Scimi

 

[جوري]

Is it akhee?







The word 'haraam' may not have been used in this thread in relation to vaccines.

But certainly, it has been made to appear that those who wish to vaccinate have a weakness in their imaans.

The above ahadith has also been completely taken out of context - implying that those who vaccinate may be of the accursed group of people who are transformed into apes and swine.


These sorts of posts (and a few others) are insultive to pro-vaccinators and in a very misleading way, trying to connect Islam with this issue.


And Allah knows best.

:wa:

Jazaki Allah khyran, again, I don't wish to like your post to be hurtful as it has become a common trend but you've done me a great service by combing through them as I am having computer problems especially with this forum..

 

[Abz2000]

i gonna put iodine and dettol on my body before i cross the road ,
neva know if there's gonna be an accident, and if there is, i may be safe - although there's no guarantee.
i do know that dettol can damage the skin a bit, but hey, wot if.....
i should get some shin pads too just in case......

lol, actually i might not, but if i knew for certain they were safe, and they weren't made by criminals, i may have considered them.
but as it stands, i know they are.


It can cure nicotine addiction in mice. Now scientists are hoping their stop-smoking vaccine will work in humans.
Researchers at Weill Cornell Medical College in New York said they have developed a vaccine that turns the liver into a "factory" of antibodies that eat up nicotine the moment it enters the bloodstream - before it can reach the brain or the heart.
Just one dose worked for a mouse's entire lifetime.
Previous vaccines injected ready-made antibodies into the patient to elicit an immune response; those only last a few weeks and need to be delivered again and again.

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"As far as we can see, the best way to treat chronic nicotine addiction from smoking is to have these Pacman-like antibodies on patrol, clearing the blood as needed before nicotine can have any biological effect," said the study's lead investigator, Dr. Ronald G. Crystal.

http://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_hea...id=32925&news_channel_id=2118&channel_id=2118

can u imagine how many other things it "eats up" without their even knowing?
every day scientists are finding functions and details of the body and brain they never knew about before. and because they find it works for one thing, they often miss the dangerous effects, every day medicines are pulled off the shelves because of new discoveries.

just because it has one function doesn't mean it doesn't leave any permanent scars or vulnerabilities that get passed on through the generations, and there have indeed been surveys that have found anomalies and highly possible correlations of one with another.

here's how one guy says something works, but i'm sure you'd agree that its pointless when considering the ill effects:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMhdEp3SM_w

 

[~Zaria~]

Surely you can do better than that Zaria. Insulted because you are pro vaccine? ... an opinion can make you feel insulted? I don't even know how to respond to such "petty pain posts".

My opinion, sister Zaria, is that immunization is a con. I have only ever had one immunization injection as a child and I do not get colds and flu's like others... I know two other people who escaped the immunizations because they made a kerfuffle about it, and they too do not get ill as often a=or as for as long as others without these vaccinations do.

My doctor marvels at my immune system, Alhamdulillah - so naturally, I would sponsor the opinion that immunization is a CON. And some of the evidences for which, have been provided in this thread.

You can inject your babies with porcine and monkey whatever if you like - that's up to you. I won;t think any lesser of you if you do, as that is YOUR CHOICE...

That is what this is all about - CHOICE.


Scimi

You asked which part of this thread implied that vaccines were made out to be haraam......and I have directed you to those.
Certainly no 'petty pain' here.

Alhamulillah brother, Allah has blessed you with a healthy body and may He always protect you.

On the flip side, I have had all my vaccines (in fact, some more than the average recommendations - because Im constantly exposed), and Alhamdulillah - I rarely get sick and no adverse effects either.

Know what strikes me as odd? That you know you live in an age of deception, yet you don't know how to see that deception... alhamdulillah, Allah opened my eyes to it.

Allah subhanawataála has opened my eyes to this age of deception......but Im not about to become paranoid or irrational.

and He has opend my eyes to the pain and suffering of disease......which I cannot deny.

Perhaps, people need to get off their laptops, and spend a few months in Infectious Disease and Microbiology units at their local hospitals.

See the man whose is comatosed from mengingococcal mengitis with your own eyes.
Then turn to his wife and child and tell THEM NOT to take the antibiotic - that has been proven in controlled trials to prevent transmission of the infection to them, by Allahs will.

Its a different story away from YouTube and CyberSpace.

:wa:

 

[Muezzin]

i gonna put iodine and dettol on my body before i cross the road ,
neva know if there's gonna be an accident, and if there is, i may be safe - although there's no guarantee.
i do know that dettol can damage the skin a bit, but hey, wot if.....
i should get some shin pads too just in case......

lol, actually i might not, but if i knew for certain they were safe, and they weren't made by criminals, i may have considered them.
but as it stands, i know they are.

Your doctor recommends you apply Dettol to your skin? This is what you are saying? Because the people you are mocking are essentially saying 'if many qualified medical practitioners recommend something for your health, you should probably take what they have to say seriously before making a decision', as opposed to what you appear to think they are saying, which seems to be something along the lines of 'I don't know what this thing is, let me inject it into my body and see if it gives me superpowers'.

 

[جوري]

i gonna put iodine and dettol on my body before i cross the road ,
neva know if there's gonna be an accident, and if there is, i may be safe - although there's no guarantee.
i do know that dettol can damage the skin a bit, but hey, wot if.....
i should get some shin pads too just in case......

lol, actually i might not, but if i knew for certain they were safe, and they weren't made by criminals, i may have considered them.
but as it stands, i know they are.

Your table salt already comes iodinated, as it is essential for the production of T[SUB]3[/SUB] and T[SUB]4[/SUB]. A deficiency of iodine leads to decreased production of T[SUB]3[/SUB] and T[SUB]4[/SUB], enlarges the thyroid tissue and will cause the disease known as goitre.
'Dettol' is made of tea tree oil which many of those who are into 'Natural medicine' will use for anything from acne to fungal infections.. you're welcome not to use it.. but it isn't without benefits.. so I guess we're splitting hairs on this thread?
If you live where the demographics don't suit you (say Syria) then perhaps it is indeed prudent to use more than shin pads..

 

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You asked which part of this thread implied that vaccines were made out to be haraam......and I have directed you to those.
Certainly no 'petty pain' here.

Alhamulillah brother, Allah has blessed you with a healthy body and may He always protect you.

On the flip side, I have had all my vaccines (in fact, some more than the average recommendations - because Im constantly exposed), and Alhamdulillah - I rarely get sick and no adverse effects either.


Allah subhanawataála has opened my eyes to this age of deception......but Im not about to become paranoid or irrational.

Oh it's nice that you are not paranoid or irrational, it makes smiling easier doesn't it?

and He has opend my eyes to the pain and suffering of disease......which I cannot deny.

I wonder, who can? ^o)

Perhaps, people need to get off their laptops, and spend a few months in Infectious Disease and Microbiology units at their local hospitals.

I used to work for the Hospitals for Sick Children, Great Ormond Street, Russel Square, London. Microfilm Officer, I was privy to all the cases they ever had since I was in charge of archiving. NOt just that, I spent a lot of time on wards, with children too...

I still stand by my opinion. What is your point again?

'I don't know what this thing is, let me inject it into my body and see if it gives me superpowers'.

I wonder if you did that, if it would increase your bat-mod powers

Scimi

 

[Abz2000]

Your doctor recommends you apply Dettol to your skin? This is what you are saying? Because the people you are mocking are essentially saying 'if many qualified medical practitioners recommend something for your health, you should probably take what they have to say seriously before making a decision', as opposed to what you appear to think they are saying, which seems to be something along the lines of 'I don't know what this thing is, let me inject it into my body and see if it gives me superpowers'.

lol brother, i know what it is and what it does, it's clinically proven to fight bacteria and infections in case of cuts and grazes,
never know, it could prevent that bit of infectious substance from attacking my body if i fall on it.

you're correct that the doctor didn't recommend it,
but i would also be correct in looking at the claims of all the doctors who saw the adverse side effects from it.
and personally - sadly - i'm more inclined to pay more attention to the non official one who doesn't stand to gain after all the corruption i've seen PERSONALLY - especially in the medical industry.

i don't see a problem with people who show us it's benefits, nor with those who show us side effects.
but i definitely would not go so far as striking someone off the practitioners' list and vilifying and lying about them in the media because they presented findings to the contrary, by using engineered excuses.

btw, do you know they used to lobotomize people based on the claim that it makes them "better"?
lol shooting them in the head also makes them quiet.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

To think that western medicine has gotten to the stage where Pig hearts and Monkey cells are used to "fix" humans... just think:

Bukhari 7.494B:
Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari:
that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allahwill destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, andHe will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


Abu Dawud, Book 32, Number 4028:
Narrated Abu Amir or Abu Malik:
AbdurRahman ibn Ghanam al-Ash'ari said: Abu Amir or Abu Malik told me--I swear by Allah another oath that he did not believe me that he heard the Apostle of Allah say: There will be among my community people who will make lawful (the use of) khazz and silk. Some of them will be transformed into apes and swine.​​

Scimi

 

[Muezzin]

lol brother, i know what it is and what it does, it's clinically proven to fight bacteria and infections in case of cuts and grazes,
never know, it could prevent that bit of infectious substance from attacking my body if i fall on it.

The condescension is not necessary or constructive.

 

[جوري]

I still stand by my opinion. What is your point again?

That those in the archives, on computers or at home aren't suffering like those ridden in a hospital beds (many from preventable dz)

 

[جوري]

This made me lol.. where do you get those expressive funnies?

 

[~Zaria~]

I used to work for the Hospitals for Sick Children, Great Ormond Street, Russel Square, London. Microfilm Officer, I was privy to all the cases they ever had since I was in charge of archiving. NOt just that, I spent a lot of time on wards, with children too...

I still stand by my opinion. What is your point again?

Scimi

Theres absolutely no point.


You go well now akhee.


If my participation (as well as my other brothers and sisters) in this thread brought clarity to at least some members/ visitors to this thread, then Alhamdulillah, I am satisfied.


:wa:

 

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That those in the archives, on computers or at home aren't suffering like those ridden in a hospital beds (many from preventable dz)

Those in the archives did suffer... first cases of recorded cerebral palsy and other weird sounding things all documented. I read some of those files and if you think those patients didn't suffer - well... meh?

And the children I sat down next to in my lunch hours were also suffering... poor kids. But you know, there are kids in the third world who have the same issues, and no hospital, so I turn it on you and say, go to them, and witness it yourself. Humility goes two ways...

Scimi