Israel and the annihilation of Palestine

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Hana_Aku,

Thanks! That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I am running short of time right now but I will come back to give you a new opportunity to bash me. I am getting to like it...;)
 
Turin Turambar said:
miseshayek,

I can answer your points but I am surprised that you are so angry at me. You are Jewish, so you should be kind of neutral between Paul and Muhammad. After all, you believe that both were lying. Or at least that they were wrong. Is there anything I am missing in your position? Do you have any reason to prefer Muhammad over Paul?
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(1) I find it curious that you are trying to deflect criticisms of your arguments into a personal matter. I am not "angry at you," albeit I think that some of the argument forms that you and your fellow Christians have been using in this thread since the first post are illicit.

(2) Why don't you simply asking the questions about your position rather than worrying about my position or preferences?
 
Salam,
May Allah guid Turin Turambar and the likes of him.
That is the way to go, have an open mind.
As for Miseshayek; what do think of having a look at Islam.. After all this forum site is called Islamicboard so you could mean while learn about Islam.
I hope you find the truth..
 
Salam
Ha, May Allah guid us to the true path, not the path of the people who angered him or the lost ones, Ameen.
 
Turin Turambar said:
Hana_Aku,

Thanks! That is exactly what I wanted to hear. I am running short of time right now but I will come back to give you a new opportunity to bash me. I am getting to like it...;)
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Kinda takes the fun out of it if you're enjoying it. :hmm:
 
Why do people feel it necessary to copy and paste a novel in a discussion thread. This is not a book club meeting. The purpose is to D I S C U S S, hence the name DISCUSSION FORUM. :rant:

Hana
 
Salaam,


Regarding Palestine/Israel.

Each reliogn,Islam ,Judaism and Christianity have their own propehcy on this.

With distinct differences.

Judasit beleive their return will mark the beginning of the coming of their Messiah,a world conquest.
Chrisitna believe in rapture,the anti christ will come to lead the Jews and Propeht Jesus son of Mary as will cause the anti christ to die,then any Jews who do not convert to Chrsiitianity will be murdered.
For Islam,it is the same,but when Propeht Jesus son of Mary return,all of man kind shall see the sign and enter Islam,Inshallah,.
Propeht Jesus son of MAry as will marry have children and die.
A final sign to those who thinks he is god.
Then after that will be te day after before armageddon.
But assuredly Allah in his mercy setn Propeht Jesus son of Mary as so that people would know and reflect of their mistake to worship creation and embrace Islam,and thus be able to enter heaven,Inshallah.

Allah is the MOST MERCIFUL,OFT Forgiving.


Regarding winning and losing showing the love or might of a rleiogn,then surely consider,is Isreal in denial for building wall to keep itself safe?
Why would a people powerful and loved build wall to keep others out.


i would say you should check this out.what is the birth rate of Israeli and Palestinian?

In another 50 years or more,Israel will be an Arab coutnry,and Jews will be a minority.

Check the statistics.
 
To keep the thread alive I will say what I said before.

According to Muslims, every little thing that happens on this world is due to a direct decision by Allah. After all, the great "proof" that Muhammed offered his followers centuries ago was precisely the fact that he said he would win a battle because Allah was on his side and he actually won the battle. Everybody concluded that he was right, Allah was helping him.

What about today? It is clear that Muslims aren't winning battles any longer. Is there a point at which Muslims will have to conclude that they must be wrong since Allah is clearly not favoring them? After all Allah has to want the truth to prevail. If centuries pass and Muslims never again win a battle, isn't that proof that Islam is not what God really wants?

Israel has been able to defeat the Muslims several times. Iraq was defeated easily by the US. The Muslim countries depend economically and technologicaly on the West. Isn't all that proof that God is not helping the Muslims any more?
 
lol your a funny guy =)

Allah(swt) helped his prophet yea....and you say why not now, lol becuz were not prophets...the message got across, and now its spreading!!!! you can beleive or not, you have free will !!

iraq was easily defeated??? lol how? its not like it was fair?? one army against another,!!
THEY HAVE NOOO ARMY, just some foot soldiers, who still manage to not be defeated, ... why not , becuz the US is still there fighting after years, spent trillions of dollars, and still cant defeat some guys ..lol

i never heard a victory outta iraq??? well maybe that time Bush lied, and put that banner on the ship..
 
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Salaam,

It seem that seven historical lesson was wrong.

May i ask,how many war did the Propeht Muhammad saw win? How many he lost? How many ended in stalemate?

So war is not a sign by itself.It is how they won the war that is the sign.

How muslim to maintian the word of Allah even thru battle is the true test.
Even winnign or losing does no affect.

Can you tell me,there are now close to 2000 US soldeirs dead,is that then 2000 losses for Chrisitanity?
IS every Christian catholic who reject the Christian faith a loss?


It is a war in the individual,a jihad.

Muslim will win again if we are united in Islam.
As you have correctly,many muslim leaders are eager for weatlh and material possesion and thus harm their own brothers.Thus it is an action of unity.

Winnign or losing does not affect the muslim faith,infact it should increase it.
Unlike after Sep 11 where many chrisitan/catholics lose faith when thier bishop said god has forsaken american casue america has forsaken god.
 
abdul Majid,

The message is not spreading, the message is actually dying. Many Muslims have been forced to twist their religion to leave everything related to jihad outside, precisely because they cannot win battles any longer. In the past, when Muslims were powerful, they would never hide the commandments related to jihad, on the contrary, they were proud of them. All Muslims interpreted their religion in the same way: fight the infidels until they submit.
It is only today they Muslims have been reduced to making apologies for the violence inflicted by other Muslims.

It is too late. If the modern world had not been invented by the Christian countries, perhaps Islam would have conquered the whole Earth. But it is too late now.
 
Salam
the only reason the world is in such a mess is because Islam has not been followed correctly.
So when ever we come back to the ultimate rule book and the example guide line, we will see the difference Insh'Allah.
 
anis_z24,

If what you say was true, then the best countries in the world would be those that follow at least in part the Quran, such as Saudi Arabia or Iran. Is that so? Don't you think that places like Sweden or Switzerland are much better in any respect? In terms of wealth, freedom, lack of corruption and violence, etc?

Then how can you think that going back to the Quran can make the world better? The societies that have no Quran are actually doing much better!
Take look at what Ibn Warraq has to say.
 
Turin Turambar said:
abdul Majid,

The message is not spreading, the message is actually dying. Many Muslims have been forced to twist their religion to leave everything related to jihad outside, precisely because they cannot win battles any longer. In the past, when Muslims were powerful, they would never hide the commandments related to jihad, on the contrary, they were proud of them. All Muslims interpreted their religion in the same way: fight the infidels until they submit.
It is only today they Muslims have been reduced to making apologies for the violence inflicted by other Muslims.

It is too late. If the modern world had not been invented by the Christian countries, perhaps Islam would have conquered the whole Earth. But it is too late now.
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Salaam,

Turin,the message ring out whetehr man is ther or not.Islam is for man.
Also your denial that Islam expands show your ignoracne or your desire for Islam not to expand,it is not what is.

Jihad is the smae as it always was,we do not need non muslim to explain to us what our reliogn call for.Can you tell us what commandemnet were hidden?

The Qurna remian the same for 1400 years.

The verse you say,fight the infidels until the submit,now can you tell us the verse and also tell us when and how or why the verse came about?

If you wish to take the verse wihout learnign of its rason then surely you are have aprtly learned of the menaing of the words.

The world,whether ina state of knwoledge,or wisdom or magic or what ever is thru the grace of ALLAH and no other.

So worship the CREATOR not CREATION.
 
Turin Turambar said:
anis_z24,

If what you say was true, then the best countries in the world would be those that follow at least in part the Quran, such as Saudi Arabia or Iran. Is that so? Don't you think that places like Sweden or Switzerland are much better in any respect? In terms of wealth, freedom, lack of corruption and violence, etc?

Then how can you think that going back to the Quran can make the world better? The societies that have no Quran are actually doing much better!
Take look at what Ibn Warraq has to say.
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Salaam,

Did Propeht Muhammad saw follow only PART of the Quran or was it int he entirety?

Islam is a religon,it is a test,wealth,poor ,knowledge uneducated,incapicitated, in what ever state,test will come to test your faith.
To follow the laws of the Quran and ALlah or to follow the laws of the secuslar society.

An example would be usury.How many muslim know ussury is a sin but yet still take part? Society claim it is normal yet Islam forbids,yet how many muslim follow that law.

Alhamdulilah,with the rise of Islamic banking hopefully the muslim would surely take the step necessary to follow the Islam and not just the parts that pleases them.


It is funny how you would mention Sweden or Switzerland..LOLOL...do they have anything of any value to the world superpowers?
While muslim coutnries leaders given a boon by Allah that is OIL,do what is best in their mind contrary to Islamic teaching.

An exaple would be to give aid to murder borther in Islam or thensleves murdering brother in Islam due to desire of power wealth or a superiority complex.

Inshallah,all of us shall recevie what we are due
The most HIGH the most JUST,ALLAH shall judge each man based on their OWN deeds.

Polls or how many hates him or how many loves matter not.Only his own deed matters.

Every action,every lie,every though,every inaction..is a deed.

Finally a question,may i ask..what do you think of Brunei ?
 
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