Non-Muslims and Islam

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Good grief! An analogy comparing Allah to doctors. Spare me from such strawmen in future!

I did not say I am comparing doctors to God. My point was to show how it doesnt work in real life.

Regarding God, He is Most Merciful and Most wrathful. He is most Just as well. If He sends to Hellfire, that is most Just. Since by definition its just, it cant be psychopathic. What is psychopathic is you.
 
Where did I ever state this? I believe in both, but certainly not the ones most Muslims (or even most Christians) believe in. It seems too simplistic for my liking, and I do not believe God is simplistic, in any sense of the word.

See? Debate with someone so utterly convinced that they cannot even counter an argument coherently is worthless. Yours is a cookie cutter approach- ideally, you'd follow the blessed Prophet and blessed scholars, and God would permit you to Heaven for doing nothing more that what your fellow man demands you to do. It's too simplistic, and that's my main qualm with it.

Nope. But I certainly didn't think their final destination would reminisce the old mythological domain of Hades, either. Unless, of course, God took advise from the ancient Greek, Egyptian and Roman civilisations on how to create an afterlife. Which seems unlikely.


I'll stop 'derailing' the thread (if we take derailing to mean providing a sensible discussion amongst your ridiculous posts) when you stop repeating yourself. Deal?


I follow What Allah has taught us, where he has provided the Prophets Jesus, Noha, Lut, Ibrahim, Moses, Muhammad, Job, Lut, David, Solomon peace be upon them to give us that message.

Al of them taught about the one God, Allah, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. Do you deny this, again why on earth do you think that the people were taken by the flood, why do you think that the homosexuals were killed? So they can live in Paradise forever? You are cannot change Islam. You cannot change the fact that Prophets have arrived and told people if they don't repent, they will go to Hell.

I don't know what an earth you have been discussing with my Muslims Brothers and Sisters about Islam, but your not going to be able to waste my time.

You have refused to acknowledge any of the relevant points (so if you cannot answer then stop posting);-

1. The homosexuals were destroyed at the time of Prophet Lut peace be upon him-why do you think they were destroyed so Allah can give them a Mansion in Paradise?

2. The sinners were taken by the flood at the time of Prophet Noah peace be upon him-what do you think happened to them? That they are sitting in the next world having a picnic?

3. Are you saying that Prophet Lut peace be upon him did not warn the homosexuals about Hell fire?

4. Are you sayiing that Prophet Noah peace be upon him did not warn people about Hell fire?

5. You say you reject Hell, then you are in error, you cannot change what all the Prophets have taught, they have all mentioned Hell. Or are you going to deny that they all mentioned this?

6. What is the point of having a Day of Judgement, if there are no consquences for your actions? What do you think is going to happen to sinful people that they are going to have a slap on their wrists and told not to be evil and enter in a peaceful abode?

7. Only infidels quote idols, and myths. Did Allah give you a revelations saying that there is no Hell? When he has already sent the message to the Prophets to provide to us.


I have every confidence anyway, that anybody reading your posts are not seeing you as a religious person, even non-Muslims can see that you are changing things. Your only making a fool out of yourself.
 
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This is not about what you say, but about how you say it. I know your intention is good, but your method in telling your messages is needs a little correction.

Okay sister, now is midnight in my place. I must go to bed. Insha Allah, I'll be back tomorrow.

I find it hilarious that people think they need to teach me how to speak kindly. You are in error, do you think a Muslim can learn so much about Islam and also be unkind?? If people are kinder then they would be heeding the signs that Allah has provided, Allah is never going to call people who dismiss the signs and treat everything as if its normal in this world, innocent. Allah is not going to call the people who did not heed the warnings as kind.

I don't need to correct the way I talk, plus people when reading my posts actually understand what I am saying about Islam, in a basic, straightforward way clear way to understand.

Why don't you just go ahead and tell the non-Muslims to ignore me and speak to you instead and create your own thread??

Do not bother wastng my time, posting any old rubbish, go and rememeber that the Major signs of the Day of Judgement is upon us. I don't need some advice when I have learnt so much by remembering Allah and the Day of Judgement, from someone who does so less.

I don't need correction, I'm not the one that needs to change when the Dajjal is here. Its strange that people who cannot cope when the Dajjal is here are telling others who are stronger then them how to behave. Go and read "My intentions" thread and also the other thread "Call for Muslims to become an Umamh"

Again don't bother posting, please create your own thread and show everybody how its done, and even if you were to talk to infidels in a pleasing way, I still wouldn't care as per "My intentions" threads. Frankly I rather die then be like you. +o(

I can never change, as I am heeding the warnings that Allah has provided, if it was just about not like infidels, then I wouldn't bother talking about Islam, and the Day of Judgement, I would just go to infidels websites and make fun out of them. If I had to be like you, I would have to stop heeding the warnings of Allah. That is the only way to change how I talk to people. +o(

Before you say its not arrogance, its confidence, cannot afford to be weak when facing the Dajjal.
I would rather die then be like an infidel and be a person who does not heed the signs. You have to recognise that is not going to help yourself through the Major signs.

You supposed to be a servant of Allah not a sissy, complaining. To recognise to stay away from things that will not help you face the Dajjal.

Now people can see why I got banned from Ummah. Did I not say I had a clash with Muslims not heeding the signs, and all they were doing too is talking about how I should be. The whilst I learnt that they had not thought about the countries finishing. Some said 100 years, some were even joking around saying were are the countries going to another planet. So I'm trying to avoid arguments.

Islam is a religion of Peace
Islam is not a religion of Stupidity.

Instead of wasting time telling me how to be, go and heed the signs and learn what Allah has taught you. Again I'm not the one that needs to change when the Dajjal is here. Also I don't want to and I am not going to change!!!!
 
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Sister h-n salaam, your posts are very good and informative and logical, people like supreme are to arrogant to understand Islam, so it's better not to waste our breath on people like him, what you said was technically true sister.
 
association of partners with God. Furthermore, its not the religion to reach God anymore, at least according to Quran, as it has been invalidated by Islam.

How do Jews associate partners with God?
 
7. Only infidels quote idols, and myths. Did Allah give you a revelations saying that there is no Hell? When he has already sent the message to the Prophets to provide to us.

I quoted the Quran which specifically said it is fine to befriend non-Muslims.

You say it not fine to befriend non-Muslims.

So is the Quran wrong, or you?

Or do you think Allah has changed his mind since then?
 
How do Jews associate partners with God?
Polytheism is not the only form of Shirk (associating partners with God). There is many other implicit forms :
If you give divine attributes to a human, then you are associating him with God. If you obey a human (a Jewish rabbi for example) when he tells you that's permissible (halal) and that's not (haram) without reference to God, then you are making him a God. If you believe that a human or a thing can help you in your future and give you rizq (livelihood) if you address him/it with prayer or with sacrifice(offering), then you are making him/it God.
And if you make prayer just to make people admire you, and you forget that your prayer should be addressed to Allah, then this is another subtle form of Shirk : Rya'a (hypocrisy)


Qur'an :
اتَّخَذُوا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَانَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَا أُمِرُوا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوا إِلَهًا وَاحِدًا لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَ سُبْحَانَهُ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ

They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

[Surat Al tawbah (09), Ayah 31]
 
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Sister h-n salaam, your posts are very good and informative and logical, people like supreme are to arrogant to understand Islam, so it's better not to waste our breath on people like him, what you said was technically true sister.

Thank-for saying that, at least we have the Quran, to help us and not be one of the inhabitants of the fire.
 
I find it hilarious that people think they need to teach me how to speak kindly. You are in error, do you think a Muslim can learn so much about Islam and also be unkind?? If people are kinder then they would be heeding the signs that Allah has provided, Allah is never going to call people who dismiss the signs and treat everything as if its normal in this world, innocent. Allah is not going to call the people who did not heed the warnings as kind.

I don't need to correct the way I talk, plus people when reading my posts actually understand what I am saying about Islam, in a basic, straightforward way clear way to understand.

Why don't you just go ahead and tell the non-Muslims to ignore me and speak to you instead and create your own thread??

Do not bother wastng my time, posting any old rubbish, go and rememeber that the Major signs of the Day of Judgement is upon us. I don't need some advice when I have learnt so much by remembering Allah and the Day of Judgement, from someone who does so less.

I don't need correction, I'm not the one that needs to change when the Dajjal is here. Its strange that people who cannot cope when the Dajjal is here are telling others who are stronger then them how to behave. Go and read "My intentions" thread and also the other thread "Call for Muslims to become an Umamh"

Again don't bother posting, please create your own thread and show everybody how its done, and even if you were to talk to infidels in a pleasing way, I still wouldn't care as per "My intentions" threads. Frankly I rather die then be like you. +o(

I can never change, as I am heeding the warnings that Allah has provided, if it was just about not like infidels, then I wouldn't bother talking about Islam, and the Day of Judgement, I would just go to infidels websites and make fun out of them. If I had to be like you, I would have to stop heeding the warnings of Allah. That is the only way to change how I talk to people. +o(

Before you say its not arrogance, its confidence, cannot afford to be weak when facing the Dajjal.
I would rather die then be like an infidel and be a person who does not heed the signs. You have to recognise that is not going to help yourself through the Major signs.

You supposed to be a servant of Allah not a sissy, complaining. To recognise to stay away from things that will not help you face the Dajjal.

Now people can see why I got banned from Ummah. Did I not say I had a clash with Muslims not heeding the signs, and all they were doing too is talking about how I should be. The whilst I learnt that they had not thought about the countries finishing. Some said 100 years, some were even joking around saying were are the countries going to another planet. So I'm trying to avoid arguments.

Islam is a religion of Peace
Islam is not a religion of Stupidity.

Instead of wasting time telling me how to be, go and heed the signs and learn what Allah has taught you. Again I'm not the one that needs to change when the Dajjal is here. Also I don't want to and I am not going to change!!!!
As Muslims, we have an obligation to remind each other. But I have no any objection if you want to ignore me.

Wasalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

:)
 
Islam is a religion of Peace
Islam is not a religion of Stupidity.

Not the way you follow it.

You can't say it is a religion of peace but that you hate everyone that doesn't follow it.
 
I quoted the Quran which specifically said it is fine to befriend non-Muslims.

You say it not fine to befriend non-Muslims.

So is the Quran wrong, or you?

Or do you think Allah has changed his mind since then?

What you have quoted;-
[60:8] GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

[60:9] GOD enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

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[16:125} You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones.

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[29:46] Do not argue with the people of the scripture (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) except in the nicest possible manner - unless they transgress - and say, "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is one and the same; to Him we are submitters."

[29:47] We have revealed to you this scripture, and those whom we blessed with the previous scripture will believe in it. Also, some of your people will believe in it. Indeed, those who disregard our revelations are the real disbelievers.

1. Fighting against Islam, is not just about physical fighting its about what people say to change religion. This is what even Satan does, he talks and schemes, so we go against him. Also you'll find that if a Scholar in Islam changes anything about Islam-he is in big trouble and the other Muslims will go against him. Even though he has not fought physically. We enjoin good and forbid evil. A female goes around naked, she is not actively physically fighting, but we also go against this behaviour strongly. So fighting against Islam is not just about evicting people from their homes. Allah has never told us to befriend idol worshippers, lewd people, homosexuals etc. They are already going against Islam-what Allah has taught us.

So those people who don't fight us because of our religion, are not like you and others you see around you. Do you think that Allah is going to teach a Muslim Man to befriend a lewd Males just because they don't say anything wrong about Islam? Do you think that Alalh is going to teach a Muslim women to befriend a prostitute just because she is not saying anything against Islam? AS stated we are not Christians, its not about people being nice to us-which is what sinners do. Look at the verses above, Allah talks about people going against Muslims because of their "religion" not because of us personally. You only care if someone attacke you personally. Just becaue of our religion people don't like us, and don't accept us. If you can't accept a Muslim then why should you be allowed to go to Paradise and be with good people who are really no different to Muslims??

They have transgressed by accepting idol worship. Its a fact that there were Christians who did not accept idol worship and the Jews are rejecting Hell and looking for this world, there is reference that a jewish women came to one of the wives of the Prophet and talked about the torment of the grave. so why are the Jews not teaching this anymore and going to Hell?

I've already explained about this a bit in the "Freedom and evil acceptance", only evil people ask people to get along with them, and accept everyone this is actually because no one will be critical of how they are, when they are being lewd. Its like if you get people to accept everyone, then they too will be accepted. People are not going to accept them because they are different, but because they accept everyone else and then they will be accepted too. So the focus is not on that person, but on everyone else. Rather like if you say anyone can go to a theme park, so if there was racism, but because everyone is accepted then n oone would feel uncomfortable. This is what the Jews were doing, and why there was talk of mult-cultural etc. I'm against Zionist, but not against Jews who don't transgress and change religion, those that accept that there is one God, Day of Judgement Hell, Paradise. We are not like Jews who are going to adopt Christian names and try and blend in, we are Servants of Allah. This is what lewd people do, they are saying to get their lewd behaviour acceptable so they will personally be accepted by others. They are getting the focus on a cause, someone else, but they are focused on getting acceptable themselves.

WE are not sinful people, we stand apart from sinful people. We are never friends with infidels. You keep on using that phrase, but no Muslim if you asked them right now, would they stand with you or a Muslim. They would say a Muslim. Evil people want people to get along with them, to accept their rubbish.

Allah has created humans, you have to adhere to Islam, to be treated as a good person. No matter what you say and create, you cannot change the fact that a sinful person is never going to be treated the same as a good person. You are treating Muslims like infidels, we are not your friends;-

-the angels don't treat you like a good person, even today,
-the angels don't treat homosexual as a good person.

You only get treated nicely if you repent, you are asking to be treated nicely regardless-which you can never have except tolerance. Even Allah does not treat you the same as he would do with a Muslim.

You'll also find any Muslim, including myself, which is were the reference is about nicest possible manner with the people of the scripture, we naturally are kind to them, as they accept the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. You don't see it as your treating the Christians as the Christians of old, as even stated there were before never worshipping Prophet Jesus peace be upon him etc.IF you say to any Muslim that you accept the one God, the Day of Judgement and in Paradise and Hell, you will automatically see that they are happy! Already naturally looking in a more kinder way. WE are never horrible to people who accept the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell.

Instead of trying to treat yourself as the same, go and find out that there were Christians who did not commit idol worship and were Jews who rememebered Hell and read up on the reference of the torture of the grave, before derailing this thread, and go and create your own.

This thread is about how non-Muslims are when they are repenting, already accepting Islam. So no derailing.
 
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Not the way you follow it.

You can't say it is a religion of peace but that you hate everyone that doesn't follow it.

Go and say that to the angel who would be striking your back, in the next world if you don't repent.

Of course we hate idol worship, lewd behaviour, homosexuals. Since when is being peaceful about accepting evil??

Also stop derailing this thread.
 
So basically you believe that anyone who is not Muslim does not fit the description of "those who do not fight you because of religion".

Simply having a different religion than you is the same as fighting you, therefore you cannot be friendly with them.

Wow.
 
Also stop derailing this thread.

I commented on your feelings towards non-Muslims. This thread is about "non-Muslims and Islam".

Please stop asking me to stop derailing threads when I am not.

Of course we hate idol worship, lewd behaviour, homosexuals. Since when is being peaceful about accepting evil??

I understand that you hate idol worship. Does that mean you automatically hate those that worship idols also?
 
I commented on your feelings towards non-Muslims. This thread is about "non-Muslims and Islam".

Please stop asking me to stop derailing threads when I am not.

I understand that you hate idol worship. Does that mean you automatically hate those that worship idols also?

I hate idol worship, and I would NEVER be friends with them, what do you think the Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him did? Be friends with them?

What do you think that the Prophets Lut, Muhammad,. Moses, Noah, Job peace be upon him etc, just came into this world, and just told everyone to live as one big happy family regardless of people being sinful?

There is no difference to you complaining about idol worshippers not being admitted to Paradise.

Obviously again, you spend more time, writing what you say, rather then reading. If you read about Islam, then you wouldn't have written what you have done. That is so basic in Islam, Just been wasting your time on this website.

1. WHat do you think happened that Prophet Noah peace be upon him said lets all be friends and the sinners could also get into the ark??

2. Did you think that the homosexuals made friends and left the village with Prophet Lut peace be upon him and Allah just destroyed empty buildings??

Even people are against Muslims just for being more decent! Just as the homosexuals who complained about the Prophet Lut peace be upon him saying that he is telling people to be pure. People today, don't like Muslims because they are keeping themselves good. I think I have mentioned this on the "Freedom and evil acceptance" thread.

You are proving that you are not reading even the thread that you are posting one!! This thread is about non-Muslims when they repent to Islam, already accepting that there is one God, The Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell. Its about people not repenting so people can just be nice to them, but wanting Allah to be pleased with them.

So do yourself a favour, stop posting for a while , and read.
 
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I hate idol worship, and I would NEVER be friends with them

Even people are against Muslims just for being more decent!

You believe as a Muslim that it is incumbent upon you to hate non-Muslims.

I don't know anyone who hates Muslims because they are decent. Some do use the excuse that it is because Muslims hate all non-Muslims, though. You epitomize that.

You are a shining example of intolerance and hatred, and you find that to be a badge of honor and something to be proud of.

How sad.
 
As I'm talking in the language that they understand, infidel meaning a sinful person. That's like saying I can't use the word Devil, I have to use the word Shaytaan. Or I can't use the word "evil".

Sister h-n.

as-salam alaykum sis,

Actually infidel means one without faith or one who does not acknowledge your god. It is a term from Christians tho. Not being critical of you, just stating the real meaning of infidel.
 
Maybe I should stop reading this forum.

You have a Muslim saying that it is incumbent upon all Muslims to be unfriendly with non-Muslims, expressing their hatred of people who follow other religions, and other Muslims are creating posts simply to compliment her.

Maybe Islamaphobia is justified.
 
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