Outrage over controversial Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett

[JoshuaD]

Oh and by the way, you mentioned western interference, what about the Iranian interference in Afghanistan? Or is it ok for them to promote tensions in the country because they're Muslims?

 

[aadil77]

Are you actually saying that it is acceptable for a country to act as an Al-Qaeda training ground?

Do you actually think al qaeda exists in afghanistan? no sign of bin laden yet

 

[JoshuaD]

Do you actually think al qaeda exists in afghanistan? no sign of bin laden yet

It is known that several *Al-Qaeda* 9/11 Hijackers were trained in Afghanistan. Yes, there is no sign of Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he probably moved across the border to Pakistan along with several other key figures after the invasion. This is why the U.S begun their drone attacks into Pakistan, to pursue Al-Qaeda.

 

[aadil77]

It is known that several *Al-Qaeda* 9/11 Hijackers were trained in Afghanistan. Yes, there is no sign of Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he probably moved across the border to Pakistan along with several other key figures after the invasion. This is why the U.S begun their drone attacks into Pakistan, to pursue Al-Qaeda.

So what are they doing in afghanistan? There is no al qaeda, the only people the drone attacks are targetting are civilians.

 

[JoshuaD]

So what are they doing in afghanistan? There is no al qaeda, the only people the drone attacks are targetting are civilians.

... They invaded Afghanistan because it was harbouring Al-Qaeda, now they are attempting to bring about stability so it doesn't become full of terrorists and training camps again. Yes, the drone attacks have failed mostly, however they have killed around 15 significant Al-Qaeda members which shows they they are in Pakistan.

 

[S_87]

Are you actually saying that it is acceptable for a country to act as an Al-Qaeda training ground?

just out of interest, what is you definition of 'al qaeda' who are they and what makes a person a member of 'al qaeda'?

 

[KittenLover]

lol I don't think Al Qaeda even exists, if only I controlled what gets shown on TV/news, I could make every 1 believe that pigs fly

 

[The_Prince]

Oh and by the way, you mentioned western interference, what about the Iranian interference in Afghanistan? Or is it ok for them to promote tensions in the country because they're Muslims?

Could you please tell us how Iran is interfering in Afghanistan? or do you just open your mouth and yip yap nonsense with no proof of anything? plz do show us Iran is promoting tensions in Afghanistan, last i checked it wasnt Iran bombing and invading Afghanistan, it was YOUR COUNTRY.

its so funny how you westerners keep dragging Iran into everything, Iran isnt the one thats going into other countries and starting wars, its your backward nations that are going in with the sword to spread your version of democracy, not Iran, so quit your nonsense propaganda.

 

[The_Prince]

So you advocate punishing British people living in Muslim countries for things happening in a country they left and which they have no control over? I thought Islam was against such forms of discrimination based on little more than race or nationality?

yes i do. if thats the only way to make sure that Muslims are protected and get to live safely, then thats what needs to be done.

 

[Ramadhan]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-from-the-invasion-of-afghanistan-396093.html

"Six years after a war was launched to overthrow the Taliban, British solders are still being killed in bloody skirmishing"

There are IEDs all over Afghanistan if they attempted an entirely ground based offensive there would be massive casualties, this makes no sense for the allied militarys. What alternative do you suggest? The allied armies have to use aerial bombing otherwise they would be killed en masse by roadside bombs and similar devices.

Are you for REAL?
So you fully support aerial bombings of civilians because allied troops might get killed by anti-government armed forces if they do ground attacks?
Why not go the whole way, just drop the H bomb on Afghanistan, to eradicate potential terrorists?

Using your philosophy, you should not object to terrorist attacks in western countries, because hey, terrorists also refuse to attack openly military facilities because they will get squashed so instead they target civilians facilities because it causes most damage.
Just like what allied forces are doing in Afghanistan.

 

[Supreme]

Oh and by the way, you mentioned western interference, what about the Iranian interference in Afghanistan? Or is it ok for them to promote tensions in the country because they're Muslims?

I reckon if we'd left Afghanistan alone for a few years it'd now be the Afghan Province of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Perhaps the Iranians would do a better job, perhaps they wouldn't. It just goes to show how many enemies the Taliban truly have, NATO's after them, Russia hates them, Iran hates them, China hates them, the Pakistani government hates them, the Northern Alliance hates them, the Afghan government hate them. I mean, with all these enemies, the Taliban were going to be losing a war at some point in the Noughties, it's just that NATO stepped in there first, mostly because we were probably the best equipped out of all the aforementioned countries.

 

[The_Prince]

I reckon if we'd left Afghanistan alone for a few years it'd now be the Afghan Province of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Perhaps the Iranians would do a better job, perhaps they wouldn't. It just goes to show how many enemies the Taliban truly have, NATO's after them, Russia hates them, Iran hates them, China hates them, the Pakistani government hates them, the Northern Alliance hates them, the Afghan government hate them. I mean, with all these enemies, the Taliban were going to be losing a war at some point in the Noughties, it's just that NATO stepped in there first, mostly because we were probably the best equipped out of all the aforementioned countries.

if Iran wanted to take Afghanistan over, they would have done it when Taliban millitants killed Iranian diplomats, Iran was even ready to go to war, and this would be their perfect chance to take the country over, guess what? they didnt do it.

Iran has had several chances to take Afghanistan over, yet they didnt, hence your just spreading this nonsense propaganda about the big bad Iran who wants to go into other people's countries and take it over. infact, please show me one country Iran has invaded and taken over? its the west thats always invading and attacking countries, not Iran.

 

[Supreme]

if Iran wanted to take Afghanistan over, they would have done it when Taliban millitants killed Iranian diplomats, Iran was even ready to go to war, and this would be their perfect chance to take the country over, guess what? they didnt do it.

Iran has had several chances to take Afghanistan over, yet they didnt, hence your just spreading this nonsense propaganda about the big bad Iran who wants to go into other people's countries and take it over. infact, please show me one country Iran has invaded and taken over? its the west thats always invading and attacking countries, not Iran.

I love Iran, I'd love it even more if it gave the Taliban a good kicking itself. I don't know where you got the impression I was trying to villanize the Iranians. No doubt they'd be seen as liberators if they overthrew the Taliban themselves, they certainly would be in my eyes.

 

[aadil77]

I love Iran, I'd love it even more if it gave the Taliban a good kicking itself. I don't know where you got the impression I was trying to villanize the Iranians. No doubt they'd be seen as liberators if they overthrew the Taliban themselves, they certainly would be in my eyes.

Liberators? LOL you get funnier everyday, what have you got against the taliban?

 

[JoshuaD]

Could you please tell us how Iran is interfering in Afghanistan? or do you just open your mouth and yip yap nonsense with no proof of anything? plz do show us Iran is promoting tensions in Afghanistan, last i checked it wasnt Iran bombing and invading Afghanistan, it was YOUR COUNTRY.

its so funny how you westerners keep dragging Iran into everything, Iran isnt the one thats going into other countries and starting wars, its your backward nations that are going in with the sword to spread your version of democracy, not Iran, so quit your nonsense propaganda.

It was funding and supporting one of the groups who resisted the Taliban only two years before the US invasion. My comment was made in response to someone who talked about westerners "sticking their noses in" Afghan affairs. I was stating that Iran was doing the same, I was in no way attempting to demonise Iran.

It doesn't start wars however it is possibly the worlds biggest state sponsor of terrorism.

 

[JoshuaD]

yes i do. if thats the only way to make sure that Muslims are protected and get to live safely, then thats what needs to be done.

And British people living in Muslim countries peacefully are a "threat" in which way?

 

[JoshuaD]

Are you for REAL?
So you fully support aerial bombings of civilians because allied troops might get killed by anti-government armed forces if they do ground attacks?
Why not go the whole way, just drop the H bomb on Afghanistan, to eradicate potential terrorists?

Using your philosophy, you should not object to terrorist attacks in western countries, because hey, terrorists also refuse to attack openly military facilities because they will get squashed so instead they target civilians facilities because it causes most damage.
Just like what allied forces are doing in Afghanistan.

"So you fully support aerial bombings of civilians because allied troops might get killed by anti-government armed forces if they do ground attacks?" - No, please don't put words in my mouth. I was highlighting the perspective of the allied military. They believe they are fighting a just war, but they cannot operate large scale ground offensives, so what other alternative do they have? I never once said I approved of the military strategy did I?

"Using your philosophy, you should not object to terrorist attacks in western countries," - What philosophy?

 

[The_Prince]

It was funding and supporting one of the groups who resisted the Taliban only two years before the US invasion. My comment was made in response to someone who talked about westerners "sticking their noses in" Afghan affairs. I was stating that Iran was doing the same, I was in no way attempting to demonise Iran.

It doesn't start wars however it is possibly the worlds biggest state sponsor of terrorism.

sponsoring terrorism? hezbollah and palestinian resistence groups arent terrorists, but i know anyone who stands up to you western imperialists are considered a terrorist. those groups are groups in their own countries fighting off a western imperialist occupation, so they are not terrorists, you guys are the terrorists, going into other people's countries, occupying them, killing them in the thousands. its time you also recognize this fact too because the majority of 1.5 billion Muslims dont see them as terrorists, and neither do a large % of the none-Muslim population out of the world, so get over it, just like your countries sponsor terrorist occupier israel, Iran likewise has a right to sponsor freedom fighters looking to free their country from your imperial tyranny.

Iran funding an anti-Taliban group is no where near anything as directly invading a country with your army and starting to build millitary bases , plus to then install a puppet government to carry out your form of political philosophy!

 

[aadil77]

It doesn't start wars however it is possibly the worlds biggest state sponsor of terrorism.

The biggest states sponsoring terrorism for us is america, israel and uk, they all sponsor each other somehow. They kill the most civilians, ruin the most lives and get away with it as they are seen as the protectors of the earth

 

[The_Prince]

And British people living in Muslim countries peacefully are a "threat" in which way?

also imagine how the peaceful Muslims in Britian must then feel too. constantly demonized and vilfied by the media none stop.