Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

[Signor]

I believe Allah that Allah is causing us the gradual change that we need for where we actually need to be.

Aameen

To clarify,I am not an Arabian speaker/reader,I've Egyptian friends from whom I acquire things out of the box

 

[جوري]

I see.. well :jz: for telling me.. maybe you can pass that site to them and have them explain further some things to you. It is so full of nuggets historical ones especially which in my opinion is an essential part of this battle. Unfortunately many Muslims have the zeal which believe me I appreciate it is better than nothing, but very little to no foundation to back up much of their convictions whether political or religious. & I am in no way praising myself or saying that I have the political savvy or know how but I do immerse myself in study and I think it is the only way we can collectively walk aright. I know I am ill tempered when we don't all walk the same path and I feel that the race is against us and there is positively no time for disunity or niggling over petty quarrels when the enemy is gaining so much momentum fast and is in our midst scheming and look how many lives are lost in multiple ways or wasted utterly.. it pains me and aggrieves me and I am often reminded of this verse:

[FONT=Verdana,arial]Al-Anfal (The Spoils of War)[8:46] [RECITE]

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WaateeAAoo Allaha warasoolahu wala tanazaAAoo fatafshaloo watathhaba reehukum waisbiroo inna Allaha maAAa alssabireena​

8:46 And obey Allah and His Messenger. and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: For Allah is with those who patiently persevere:


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[Abz2000]

When he says "the legislation will intervene" he means there will be limits on indecency and it won't be as bad as when that sick girl with a dog's head stripped and posted it to the world.

He seems to be wisely adding a decency clause over what was worse before, if so, good work.

 

[جوري]

when they were just still prisoners - yeah they protested before the protests but who remembers?

 

[theplains]

The question I'd like to pose is can you 'force' which were his words and I am a native Arabic speaker can you indeed force any woman Muslim or otherwise to wear hijab? Islam isn't a by force religion!
& Allah knows best!

Is there any basis in the Quran or the Hadiths for men to punish women who don't wear the hijab? If yes, where
exactly? If no, does this mean the men will be punished by God for executing judgment on the women?

Thanks,
Jim

 

[Darth Ultor]

Hijab (or any form of modest dressing up for both men and women) should be between the individual and God, not the state. As long as they don't go around half dressed or less through the streets of the cities.

 

[Mustafa2012]

:salamext:

Please bear in mind that we cannot jump from a country which has been ruled by Mubaarak for so many years and expect the new President to implement Shari'ah overnight. That's not realistic.

It's going to take time. Not days or months. It's going to take years. Especially so with so much opposition from secularists and liberalists.

Recognize the good efforts being made and make du'aa for Allaah :swt1: to assist Dr. Mursi in his efforts.

 

[جوري]

Is there any basis in the Quran or the Hadiths for men to punish women who don't wear the hijab?

No!
where do you come up with these questions?

 

[Logikon]

His words:

"So the one who wishes to wear the hijab she can do so, and the one who wants to wear what she sees appropiate from her point of view is free to do so.

Will she harm the society (through this)?


If this behaviour turns into something that harms the society (on a general level as is the case with anything), then the legislation will intervene....."

I read this as:

1. A woman can wear a scarf or ot ewear it as she sees fit.
This will satisfy both the muslim woman and the non muslim woman.


2. If a woman does not wear a scarf and this "harms society" they can legislate to make the scarf compulsory for all women including those who don't want to wear it.

 

[IslamicRevival]

Obama approved F-16 fighter jets as gift to Egypt
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-fighter-jets-egypt-856/

I wonder whats the catch? Has Morsi sold out already?

 

[Cabdullahi]

We have to understand that when Yusuf (as) was made chief minister after building trust with Al Azeez (After Al Azeez found out that Yusuf (as) never touched his wife) , the then king of Egypt, he didn't make drastic legislative changes hastily - bit by bit things were changed, slowly peeling off the many layers of evilness, working tactically until he was able to start his call to Allah from the position of ruling authority.

Morsi is in a very similar situation, everyone is on his back, secular muslims, egyptian christians, the west and muslim muslims. We have to be patient and see if he will deliver in due time, he took an oath that he will bring shariah and if he doesn't deliver and goes back on his word then ma'salama.

 

[~Zaria~]

(Im unable to open pages 2&3 of this thread, so cant quote others....)

@Logikon

When I heard the same words:

"So the one who wishes to wear the hijab she can do so, and the one who wants to wear what she sees appropiate from her point of view is free to do so.

Will she harm the society (through this)?


If this behaviour turns into something that harms the society (on a general level as is the case with anything), then the legislation will intervene....."

I heard (through the ears of a muslim woman) that - the one who wants to wear what SHE sees appropiate from HER point of view, can go ahead and do so.

I do not hear the reminder that Allah and His Rasul (sallalahu alaihi wasalam) has commanded womenfolk to leave their homes in a certain way - that hijab is in fact an obligation (not a choice), that has been decided for us by our Creator. (whether or not this can be enforced by shariah law is for another discussion)

And so, it saddens me that this is coming from the one who intends on implementing shariah rule in his state.

Also, why ask - 'will she harm soceity through this?' - when we already know the answer to this.

Women are one of the greatest fitnahs for men, and making it seem that its ok if to leave the home in a manner that befits the individual (not Allah) - and that legislation will only intervene when it 'harms soceity' - is not from our teachings.

And hence my opposition yesterday.....these are just my opinions/ how I personally feel about this issue.

But I will bide my time, and wait for Allah to reveal what the future holds......if Allah grants me that time, insha Allah.

I realise that it will take time to implement an islamic way of life in a country that is quite far removed from this lifestyle.
And while part of me feels that change indeed takes time......

The other part of me says that we are no longer in the period of the prophet (sallalahu alaihi wasalam) - when revelations came down timeously, and change was structured and not sudden.

We are now in 1434H - and if you have declared yourself to be a believer of this deen, then it means that you have chosen to SUBMIT to the laws of Allah (subhanawataa'la).
We do not need to make excuses for this deen.
e.g. alchohol is haraam - do we need to slowly implement this (for the sake of the people), or do we go ahead and ban alchohol from being produced/ shipped and sold - with immediate effect? (just as an example).

Allah knows best.

:wa:

 

[جوري]

Obama approved F-16 fighter jets as gift to Egypt
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-fighter-jets-egypt-856/

I wonder whats the catch? Has Morsi sold out already?

That's from 2010 a deal with former admin - I don't think they can go back on a contract but it's a very bad idea unless Egypt can do its own maintenance to purchase from the U.S- but then again a country that doesn't plant its own food and make its own weapons will never be self sufficient!

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Hijab (or any form of modest dressing up for both men and women) should be between the individual and God, not the state. As long as they don't go around half dressed or less through the streets of the cities.

Are you Muslim?

Do you fully understand the concept of an Islamic state?

If either answer is no then you cannot say what an Islamic state should and should not do.

 

[جوري]

has commanded womenfolk to leave their homes in a certain way

Indeed.. but Allah hasn't forced women nor asked the leaders to force women to leave their homes in a certain way and that has always been the case. Change in the individual has to come from within not be beat into them..

The first word revealed in the noble Quran is 'Iqra' - and I think that teaches us quite a bit about divine wisdom and the directionality of the religion and that it is reason that should be a motivator to actions not force!

That's not to say I agree with all of Mursi's decisions btw I don't view him as a saint and posted quite a long piece (this time in the Arabic section) so it isn't reviled by the same two as to what is the current situation on the ground, the response that should be addressed to the so-called liberals who neither represent nor echo the demographics of Egypt but unfortunately due to corruption are deeply infiltrated and rooted in the country as Attaturk has done with Turkey are a thorn in the country. There was no way for Mursi to change to what we actually want without having a situation very similar to Syria.. We pray that the change is gradual without so much blood loss and that eventually the end result will be what we want rather through violent means. We can barely get the rights of the thousands martyrs or wounded from the revolt itself without the current crisis the country is facing. What a woman wears is really the least of Mursi's problems and if you ever visit Egypt you'll find that 90% of its citizens are in veils already so force or not the reality on the ground reflects what Allah commanded as is.
Women in Iran are forced to wear veils yet not only is the state and the individual beliefs deviant but the minute they step out it comes off.. That to me is a sorry condition since the change is superficial and not from within.

 

[Cabdullahi]

 

[Cabdullahi]

Constitution at a glance

* Sharia remains the main source of legislation.
* Al-Azhar, Sunni Islam's leading authority, to be consulted on "matters related to Sharia".
* Christianity and Judaism to be the main source of legislation for Christians and Jews.
* Religious freedom to be limited to Muslims, Christians and Jews.
* Limits president to two four-year terms of office.

Taken from the bbc website.
Take with a pinch of salt.

 

[marwen]

^ If I understand well, Christians and Jews are not concerned by Shariah the have their own christian or jew legislation, so they should not worry.
So Shariah will be the main source of legislation for muslims only. And muslims are not happy for that, or the so called muslims.:raging: If muslims don't want shariah then who else will do. How they are muslims if they deny the basics of Islamic laws ?

 

[Cabdullahi]

^ If I understand well, Christians and Jews are not concerned by Shariah the have their own christian or jew legislation, so they should not worry.
So Shariah will be the main source of legislation for muslims only. And muslims are not happy for that, or the so called muslims.:raging: If muslims don't want shariah then who else will do. How they are muslims if they deny the basics of Islamic laws ?

وَيَقُولُونَ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَبِالرَّسُولِ وَأَطَعْنَا ثُمَّ يَتَوَلَّىٰ فَرِيقٌ مِنْهُمْ مِنْ بَعْدِ ذَٰلِكَ ۚ وَمَا أُولَٰئِكَ بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ {47}

[Yusufali 24:47] They say, "We believe in Allah and in the messenger, and we obey": but even after that, some of them turn away: they are not (really) Believers.

وَإِذَا دُعُوا إِلَى اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ لِيَحْكُمَ بَيْنَهُمْ إِذَا فَرِيقٌ مِنْهُمْ مُعْرِضُونَ {48}

[Yusufali 24:48] When they are summoned to Allah and His messenger, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come).

وَإِنْ يَكُنْ لَهُمُ الْحَقُّ يَأْتُوا إِلَيْهِ مُذْعِنِينَ {49}

[Yusufali 24:49] But if the right is on their side, they come to him with all submission.

أَفِي قُلُوبِهِمْ مَرَضٌ أَمِ ارْتَابُوا أَمْ يَخَافُونَ أَنْ يَحِيفَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِمْ وَرَسُولُهُ ۚ بَلْ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ {50

[Yusufali 24:50] Is it that there is a disease in their hearts? or do they doubt, or are they in fear, that Allah and His Messenger will deal unjustly with them? Nay, it is they themselves who do wrong.

 

[marwen]

Sister Zaria, if you are seeking for clowns, this video gives you a hint ;D

Main idea of the video : Baradi'i Says : "Whatever is the result of the referundum about the constitution, we will annul it" !

--> this contradicts even the democracy rules that he and his alike call for.

As a side note : This man, Baradi'i, is one of the responsibles of the destruction of Iraq and the prsence of US forces in Iraq.