Refinding my faith

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Ive had enough of your lies for thelast time sadly

May I ask, in what part of the sister's statement has she lied? Have you taken on board all that is written in the first paragraph?

 

[M.I.A.]

AsSalaamu Alaaykum,



But certainly the Qur'aan was sent 1400 years ago, the teachings can be applied to all times.



Does this not lead one to dis-unity? Isn't Unity the whole aim? If one were to do that, they'd be dividing upon themselves, and this is disliked. Sects was never the aim or goal, rather Unity.

Verily, those who divide their religion and break up into sects (all kinds of religious sects) , you (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم) have no concern in them in the least. Their affair is only with Allah, Who then will tell them what they used to do.[Al Qur'aan 6:159]

And apologies, i've no intention to take thread of board. If so, feel free to delete my post.

sure the quran is timeless, but its the interpretations that have changed over 1400 years. nobody will ever be able to explain it fully again.

the way i see it there are 6 billion people all under one god. they are not all the same.


and that leads on to unity. unite for what? what is the goal or objective.

if people stay as they are then gods will is still done. no harm can befall a person without the decree of god.


the way i see it is that islam is just damage limitation. you cant hope for heaven by giving everybody else hell.
becoming aware of what this place is and how it works is just part of the religion.


its not a game for people to play and prosper under. its the consequences of life and death, when its ones own life its easy to relate but when you think of all the people you interact with then it becomes something different.

..incidentally what iv said above is of little consequence, if there is ever a proof of god then it comes to light when you realise that no matter the knowledge you acquire and the experience you gain.

you are still at the mercy of allah swt.. or at the mercy of the people.
maybe not if you continue as a battle of wills. moreso in submitting, in learning to see what actually happens when you allow it, where the boundaries of resistance are.. before you ever have to cross them.

the ayah you quoted, when you have fear of your own actions and there consequences then maybe you might begin to see what is said and done.
even then maybe its not as it seems but its a circular argument.

with the only exit as a firm foundation of faith in something bigger than oneself.

freakofaleash mentioned the shaytan..
if anything is given free reign in this world then it is that.

islam is damage limitation for now. maybe unity is when the devil has no one foolish to grab hold of.

good luck getting a people that educated, aware, scared (of god not dictators)

as for sects, i see six billion. they can never be the same in understanding or character or knowledge or intent or experience or action.

but maybe the basic tenets of faith. maybe the same basic understanding and moral code.. the same fear and love.


ask yourself what would spiderman do.. no im kidding but only just.


but i have no doubt there is a god, the fact that most people live on autopilot is testament to that.

aprender, some people dont have to change some people do, thats the funny thing.. for now anyway.


there is a god, the funny thing is that once you see past the reality of this world. you cannot unsee.

edit. i have to explain that i cant claim to have knowledge of god, but i can tell you about the people.

if you remember somebody the best way is to tell about the things they have taught you.
the worst thing to do is backbite.

those things are easiest to see.. like i said, everything gets done.. islam is the best way of doing them.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Greetings

Having just read many of your posts just now I see clear inconsistencies in your posts. First you say you don't agree with Islam, then you say you do but you agree with Quran and not hadith. Then you say you don't agree with Quran, then you say you do. Then you say you agree with Quran but not its doctrine. Then you say it's not the Qur'an fault. Then you say the more you hear of the Qur'an the more you hate it, then you go back and come out with a contradictory statement. Then you say you don't like Islam then you say you do. This cycle keeps happening. Either you like the attention or you have split personality disorder.

There are three things you must do from now on:

1. When you make a statement like you don't agree with this or that in Islam then you state WHY and you give examples. You will not get away with any more empty statements you have already made far too many without explaining why.

2. You do not make a statement like the Prophet killed a puppy without backing it up with evidence. Back up your statements. You have already made far too many without providing evidence for it.

I hope you will take heed from now on in order for us to actually understand what issues you have because until now you have been far to inconsistent with the statements you have made which have mainly been very contradictory .

Of course because I cannot still find what is wrong with Islam and its followers. I cannot specify it because it seems to be everything

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Of course because I cannot still find what is wrong with Islam and its followers. I cannot specify it because it seems to be everything

Again another empty, baseless and contradictory statement. You will not get away with such statements from now on. So stop going around in circles and explain to us what exactly you have issues with.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

I am sorry

These are my fundamental believes in god before becoming a Muslim or even becoming a Christian. I just realized they fit a certain dogma , and I never realized it before at all honestly until now. I am to lazy to spell check as of now and I wrote this in a hurry. I don't have the energy to even finish the other 3 paragraphs that follow this one and the other one that comes before.

I believe in a Panetheistic God. I believe God cannot exist in nothing. If a Heaven or Hell are a different universe then Satan or God must dwell in them? If there is no universe nothing can exist in it because without the concept of a universe there is nothing in it.

Whats is a universe? It is a dimension or area of existence separated from another.


As long as a universe doesnt exist nothing exist in that universe because it isnt there. I believe that god is a universe and that essence of time is god, omnipresent and all knowing because that universe consist of god. I also believe god can and is multiple universes and multiple existences throughout that universe. God = time even the Quran and Bible state this but it doesnt go into explicit detail. Time is the existence of all things and their beginning and end "Alpha and Omega". The scientific formula throughout history for god was time. God is time itself. God can end or start, create or destroy, exist yet not be seen because he is time. People think of heaven as a different place or universe without realizing we are living inside of one as we speak. I believe God is multiple and ALL universes. All universes and realities are god and his creations within his hands. Think of your hand and think of a coin in it. You created that coin and it is yours and you hold it in your hand. What if you where all powerful like god, you could crush and destroy that coin and wipe its reality/existence form the face of the world. But know that god has no weakness, no size, and no limitation. So he has power over all that he creates. God is not a person or shape or form. He is simply Existence, or time you may say. God can easily exist through anything he desires because he has cerated it. Jesus can have easily been God or a prophet and God could have easily and literally dwelled within him. God does miracles and he cannot do them from afar. He comes into existence as "existence" itself. Nobody knows what God does or has done simply because we cannot see beyond our world and most likely never will, what god creates is what he owns and what he owns he has the right(and power) to keep away from us. Do i believe in avatars and reincarnation? Yes because any Muslim or Christian would if they believe in the same ocncept of Jannah or Heaven. If this is one universe then Heaven or Hell is another. If we die our soul departs from this universe to enter another, the issue is we do not know if we are only a spirit or obtain a new(same) body. According to Islam we do. We are capable of experiecning women and hedonistic pleasures so we must gain another body of sorts, a perfect body I may add. So by default that is reincarnation. Reincarnation has nothing to do with being in this world or being reincarnated into an animal or plant or what not. it is the broad term for anything that exits its physical body and is brought into another. And if you disagree with this you cannot be a Muslim. Because you would thusly say that Janah is a "PHYSICAL" place.

I do not think any of my views fit Islam and this is the main reason. I DO NOT have an issue with salah and I really enjoyed it, along with the fact that no God only accepts Arabic. Islam is what Shintoism is to the Japanese, a spiritual form of fascism meant for that culture. Nothing is wrong with fascism as long as you kill nobody from it and can withhold intelligence and rationality. Islam is Christian "Arabicism", It is Christianity for Arabs. Nothing wrong with that either but as I said, it is fully meant for the culture of the Arabic people.

I do not want to participate in this forum at all, I cannot stand theoretical absolutes. It makes many of you worst then evolutionist pushing evolution as a fact without it even being proven yet. This manner of speaking makes many of you seem weak and brainwashed, even though you are not any of those it gives outsiders this appearance towards you. People judge theologies, philosophies and social effects by its founders and followers. I am sorry for hurting any of you and understand I am not angry at you but I do not want to feel anger or hatred towards you. I want to be able to talk to a person who says "f*ck Islam, and kill all Muslims. They are a religion of violence" and tell him he is a wrong about Muslims. I do not want to be on the other end chanting with these people encouraging hate against another religion, culture and people. I do not want to spread hate so I hereby leave this forum.
DELETE ME

I apologize for the last time against the people I have let down and wonderful people I have met here :statisfie. Signing out for the last time

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[Muhaba]

Brother, i think you are only running away from Islam because of the obligations. Maybe they are too much for you. please take it easy and don't assume that you have to do everything all at once. you may feel overburdened with the obligatory duties but know that Allah is most Merciful and He is well aware of people's weaknesses.

When Islam was first revealed, the people were told to do just two prayers a day of two Rakat each. that's how easy Allah made it for people. Likewise, when Alcohol was to be prohibited, people weren't told in one day to stop drinking alcohol. It was done gradually. First the muslims were told that there are some benefits in it and some harm but the harmful effects are more. After that, they were told not to pray in the state of drinking. In this way they were discouraged from drinking, becuase they wouldn't do it close to prayer times. (note that they weren't told not to drink when praying, but not to pray in the state of drunkenness.) Finally, when they were deep enough into the religion, alcohol was completely prohibited.

Likewise, in a hadith it is written that a person should first be told to become Muslim (read the shahada). When he/she does, then he should be told to pray. after he has started praying, then he/she should be told about the fasting. etc . (I don't remember the exact words of hadith.)
So it's not like a new muslim will be told or expected to do all the obligatory duties. It takes time for one to adapt to the new religion and get used to it's obligation. you can't make a 180 degree turn at once.

So take it easy. Learn the religion well but don't leave it. And ask Allah to guide you and make you steadfast.

 

[Aprender]

Ive had enough of your lies for thelast time sadly

Where have I insulted you? Nothing that I have stated above was a lie. You said yourself that you do not accept Islam because it doesn't fit in with your own personal views. If anything your inconsistencies have been untruthful but I believe that you are genuinely confused and that happens in life. We don't always have it all figured it out. I have met people just like you in different situations. All I did was offer my perspective. If you cannot accept that, then so be it but I will not accept you hurling insults at me because you are uncertain about yourself right now in life.

It's simply uncalled for.

 

[A-Brother]

Just Read The Recent Thread Created By The FreakOffALeash -

May Allah Guide This Individual On To The Straight Path

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

sure the quran is timeless, but its the interpretations that have changed over 1400 years. nobody will ever be able to explain it fully again.

See this thread:

--> http://www.islamicboard.com/general/134313171-reply-brother-mia.html#post1519555 <--

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Fundamentals




if u sincerely want to ask questions and know about Islam , then feel free to come back.

may Allah guide you and us .

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Re: Fundamentals

These are my fundamental believes in god before becoming a Muslim or even becoming a Christian. I just realized they fit a certain dogma , and I never realized it before at all honestly until now.

I hope you are open to studying them.

As long as a universe doesnt exist nothing exist in that universe because it isnt there. I believe that god is a universe and that essence of time is god, omnipresent and all knowing because that universe consist of god. I also believe god can and is multiple universes and multiple existences throughout that universe. God = time even the Quran and Bible state this but it doesnt go into explicit detail.

Can you provide the evidence, please? I am aware that God is the creator of time and not time itself.

God can end or start, create or destroy, exist yet not be seen because he is time. People think of heaven as a different place or universe without realizing we are living inside of one as we speak.

I believe God is eternal. He is powerful to do all that suits his majesty. He is not seen, but all that exists is evidence of his existence.

If this is heaven, then what about those who are suffering?, illnesses, sadness, etc etc.

I believe God is multiple and ALL universes. All universes and realities are god and his creations within his hands. Think of your hand and think of a coin in it.

I believe God is the creator of the universes.

What if you where all powerful like god, you could crush and destroy that coin and wipe its reality/existence form the face of the world. But know that god has no weakness, no size, and no limitation. So he has power over all that he creates. God is not a person or shape or form. He is simply Existence, or time you may say. God can easily exist through anything he desires because he has cerated it. Jesus can have easily been God or a prophet and God could have easily and literally dwelled within him.

Indeed you are correct, he has power of all, but he has given us free will. If a man was God on earth, then that would put God in a low status, where he is weak, in need etc. And man is not able enough to control the many universe that exist or all that exist.

God does miracles and he cannot do them from afar.

God does miracles, however he may. We know that God has created us, this earth, universe, all that exists.

I do not think any of my views fit Islam and this is the main reason. I DO NOT have an issue with salah and I really enjoyed it, along with the fact that no God only accepts Arabic. Islam is what Shintoism is to the Japanese, a spiritual form of fascism meant for that culture. Nothing is wrong with fascism as long as you kill nobody from it and can withhold intelligence and rationality. Islam is Christian "Arabicism", It is Christianity for Arabs. Nothing wrong with that either but as I said, it is fully meant for the culture of the Arabic people.

The fact of reality is that we have many different languages, it would have had to revealed in some language. And your right, God does not only accept arabic, this is why when we ask him we ask in our mother tongue or the language were brought up speaking.
If it was only for the arabs, then Allaah Allmighty would have not sent the final messenger (pbuh) for the whole of humanity.
Before the final prophet, a messenger was sent to every nation, a messenger who spoke in the same tongue as his nation, this is one of the reasons why you will notice that there are a few similaries between every religion, but there are parts where they differ.

I do not want to participate in this forum at all, I cannot stand theoretical absolutes. It makes many of you worst then evolutionist pushing evolution as a fact without it even being proven yet. This manner of speaking makes many of you seem weak and brainwashed, even though you are not any of those it gives outsiders this appearance towards you.

That is indeed a choice of yours, and your own opinion.

I am still confused to what you mean, a certain way we speak? and that we are brainwashed? What part of what has been mentioned hasn't been proven? Nobody is stopping anyone from asking questions, so please feel free to ask questions.

I do not want to spread hate so I hereby leave this forum. DELETE ME

And It is only your decision in wanting to leave, if that pleases you, do so, but It is quite clear that you have a lot of knowledge to gain, how about you do that? if not, that's your will indeed.

It would still be nice to see you participate on board,

Also, i'd like to apologise where I may have come across as offensive or harsh.

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Re: Fundamentals

I do not mean to defame or wrongfully insult anyone or anything Islamic

Can you provide the evidence, please? I am aware that God is the creator of time and not time itself.

Some scientist dont believe in time. You seriously fail to understand the concept of time I can tell since you spoke of it as proven existence. According to the laws of science time cannot have a beginning nor end as it would ruin its total quality and perception. No form of time has a start, as time is calculated and always accurate no biological beings can be free of time and yet evolve. Proving time is the same as proving God. There is no scientific explanation of a reality or universe free of god if time doesnt exist. This is a old debate.
I am gonna show you a video but I cant find it, I have 2,500 vids on my youtube page now :exhausted. I am sure I can find it later (give me a few years and some cocaine to keep me awake)

I believe God is the creator of the universes.

Yet how can he exist in it? God cannot create something out of thin air with a world backed by the laws of science it has established. What is a universe? What is consciousness(our existence in this universe)? You speak as if the word universe is singular yet heaven is a universe, it is outside of this world so that makes it another universe. Your logic is by scripture not by rationality so it falls apart when you think of it.

I believe God is eternal. He is powerful to do all that suits his majesty. He is not seen, but all that exists is evidence of his existence.
If this is heaven, then what about those who are suffering?, illnesses, sadness, etc etc.

Your logic fails again because I never said this is heaven. Heaven is another universe. It is not in this world or this universe. A world is all that you can see, feel and know. Our "world" barely goes outside our own windows in reality, as we see lots of things but we do not feel them and experience them.
Have you looked at a magazine and see the interior of a home? How do you know how that home feels? Is a picture "a thousand words"?
Many people suffer and much of it is at the cost of another persons' consciousness or existence. God does not control our physical state in this world, WE DO. This is a typical Biblical concept and teachings, This world is the dominion of Satan as we brought sin(Satan) into this world. Your concept of god fails as it implies God rules this world. Many countries are created but are never controlled by the creator.

God does miracles, however he may. We know that God has created us, this earth, universe, all that exists.

What is a miracle? It is an event that is our of our understanding simply put. But nothing is outside of the understanding of existence or consciousness or reality. Those elements are all the same and they are everythign God HAS TO BE. Without them god has no mind, and surely you cannot say god has no mind.
If god created the universe and time how can he exist? How can he doe anything? If god created consciousness then that means he was never aware he existed and he never existed in the first place. If time is presence and existence then God never existed and nor do we. You have yet again "put your foot in your mouth" (it is a old metaphor i like ).
You can prove god's existence by science simply put. Scientist NEVER prove or put effort into this because there main debate is "who created god". You treat words like disposable items without knowing their meanings nor their implications. God created this world with words, words creates wars and end them. God did not create words or language. These are all states of reality and consciousness, we are merely thought of in Gods' mind and we come into existence. God obviously is many things, including "existence", "words", and "knowledge/understanding". All knowledge we have exist because of our understanding of our own world. But this world is created by god. How can god think without words? He obviously had them from the start and what is a start without time? How can god create time and yet without time nothing exist?

The fact of reality is that we have many different languages, it would have had to revealed in some language. And your right, God does not only accept arabic, this is why when we ask him we ask in our mother tongue or the language were brought up speaking.
If it was only for the arabs, then Allaah Almighty would have not sent the final messenger (pbuh) for the whole of humanity.
Before the final prophet, a messenger was sent to every nation, a messenger who spoke in the same tongue as his nation, this is one of the reasons why you will notice that there are a few similarities between every religion, but there are parts where they differ.

The teachings of the god of Abraham only became in the Arab lands near that of the Red Sea. Nowhere have there even been recording of them practiced or taught in some small way or shape or form. Look at the asian nations, they dont even have real religions and never have! No prophets there. So your saying god is racist and only teaches to a certain culture? The Arabic language wasnt the only language god spoke to. Latin (prophet Paul), and then Hebrew which was for a lot of other prophets. Yet oddly Arabic is superior. To this day English is on the top ten most complex languages as ours is so universal from its various roots yet the hardest is in the south american tribes and ironically the South Asian dialects which are viewed as separate languages! Existing since Muhammad's time and beyond also. Arabic like English went through phases and some are totally lost to this day. So Arabic is not complex or perfect as it fails to comprehend sooo many things, on many languages there are no words for certain things so you must describe them. South Asians beat us and Arabic to it already. South Asian was one of the first languages to have full affixes in it I may add.
But why do salah in Arabic? Muhammad did not come to my nation. God never sent a prophet in failure. If God sent an Arabic man to prophecy to the Arabs it is to teach the Arabs the same way he taught the Israelites, Romans and nobody else outside of that . So yet again you have holes in your statements. I can break everything down in a exact math, you cant prove faith as it has no understandable answer but every mathematical problem has a solution and formula to find any "common denominator".

1 + 1 + 1= 1
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1 to create the solution 3 thirds = a whole
I solved the Trinity issue for you right there :statisfie.

That is indeed a choice of yours, and your own opinion.
I am still confused to what you mean, a certain way we speak? and that we are brainwashed? What part of what has been mentioned hasn't been proven? Nobody is stopping anyone from asking questions, so please feel free to ask questions.

When I say brainwashed I am referring tot he way you speak in absolute. You speak in a manner that has no debate nor justification. it is "I am right your wrong" yet each and everytime people can poke holes all over you and your response is "Jannah is for the believer".

"Say (O Muhammad) unto those who disbelieve: Ye shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell, an evil resting-place." Al E Imran Sura 3 aya 12

You can quote that yet it is a word. I can write that also and it can hold wait to many others. You cannot say by faith you are right you must say be proof and proof is written all i the bible and yet not the Quran (mostly). Muhammad has very if not no miracles accompanied by his name and deeds. The splitting of the moon is often denounced by some if not many Muslims and interpreted in another meaning.

And It is only your decision in wanting to leave, if that pleases you, do so, but It is quite clear that you have a lot of knowledge to gain, how about you do that? if not, that's your will indeed.
It would still be nice to see you participate on board,
Also, i'd like to apologize where I may have come across as offensive or harsh.

I know when I am not welcomed . I do not denounced the Quran but i find no truth in it according to any logic and this perhaps may be because of my lack of reading it but I will continue reading it for the sake of it and because you think it is important. But know that I will and always will break EVERYTHING down and go over it with a fine tooth comb followed by infrared imaging then recheck it lol. I am thorough and I am fully capable of sifting through 1.2 million registry entries and files in a XP computer to sniff out 4 virus manually. And I have done such things before because I can read and calculate just that much data. I am not a pessimist out of hate (I feel no hate at all nor love), i am a pessimist because I can see through every single false hope. I can go through any persons words or ideals and rip them apart without care. That is how I think, I am very critical and analytical I can see the worst in everything so long as it exist, is plausible to exist or can be brought into existence.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Fundamentals

1 + 1 + 1= 1
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1 to create the solution 3 thirds = a whole
I solved the Trinity issue for you right there .

No Christian would agree that Jesus = 1/3 of God as in an equal portion with the Father and the Holy Spirit. I am glad that your religion is now listed as 'Other' and that you are honestly speaking your mind (apparently anyway).

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Re: Fundamentals

No Christian would agree that Jesus = 1/3 of God as in an equal portion with the Father and the Holy Spirit. I am glad that your religion is now listed as 'Other' and that you are honestly speaking your mind (apparently anyway).

Dude I am stating a common Christian theme, 1 + 1 + 1 = 1 is what they say to refer to the Holy Spirit, Jesus and God. And I never said I believed in that i was making fun of that theory. So you just lied to me basically? This is why I wish to leave this forum so quit trying to start wars, this makes you look bad. And as of now NONE of my theology has gone against Christian dogma .
I am not only speaking my mind but also a VERY common perspective you dont go deep into theology I know this much. This is a common theme amongst, Hindus, Gnostics and Buddhist and Panetheist sects.
Do you need help putting your foot in your mouth? Speak with knowledge not with your own thoughts with no value.

since you have no rationality this will solve your questions
http://www.gci.org/God/111

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Fundamentals

Some scientist dont believe in time. You seriously fail to understand the concept of time I can tell since you spoke of it as proven existence. According to the laws of science time cannot have a beginning nor end as it would ruin its total quality and perception. No form of time has a start, as time is calculated and always accurate no biological beings can be free of time and yet evolve.

Time is one of the dimensions that define our existence and the other is space. Both of these are measures without definition outside of our universe as in what is 1 cm beyond the outer limit of space and what came 1 second before the 'Big Bang'. God exists outside of these dimensions and cannot be constrained by them.

Yet how can he exist in it? God cannot create something out of thin air with a world backed by the laws of science it has established.

God's existence is beyond our capacity to understand. Yes, He can create the universe out of nothing. Have you ever thought about how little actual mass there is in our bodies? Have you seen the small amount of ashes left from a cremation?

Your concept of god fails as it implies God rules this world. Many countries are created but are never controlled by the creator.

Of course God does rule this world and not a leaf falls, but by His will for it to do so.

But why do salah in Arabic? Muhammad did not come to my nation.

Because that is the language the Quran was revealed in. The principles of Islam are universal and can be applied anywhere in the world.

I do not denounced the Quran but i find no truth in it according to any logic and this perhaps may be because of my lack of reading it but I will continue reading it for the sake of it and because you think it is important. But know that I will and always will break EVERYTHING down and go over it with a fine tooth comb followed by infrared imaging then recheck it lol.

The Quran to an unbeliever is just a jumbled up bunch of words. You seem to have too much pride in your heart for its truth to penetrate.

 

[MustafaMc]

Re: Fundamentals

since you have no rationality this will solve your questions
http://www.gci.org/God/111

I like this quote for that site, "There can be only one all-powerful, all-wise, everywhere-present being, so there can be only one God." Yes, there is one God - Allah (swt); however, He is not omni-present except in His knowledge.

 

[Ğħαrєєвαħ]

Re: Fundamentals

According to the laws of science time cannot have a beginning nor end as it would ruin its total quality and perception. No form of time has a start, as time is calculated and always accurate no biological beings can be free of time and yet evolve. Proving time is the same as proving God. There is no scientific explanation of a reality or universe free of god if time doesnt exist. This is a old debate.

I do not believe God is time, you are free to believe that if you like. That's like saying 'time' created us, which I find unacceptable. Unless your trying to make a different point here and i'm misunderstanding it.

Yet how can he exist in it? God cannot create something out of thin air with a world backed by the laws of science it has established. What is a universe? What is consciousness(our existence in this universe)? You speak as if the word universe is singular yet heaven is a universe, it is outside of this world so that makes it another universe. Your logic is by scripture not by rationality so it falls apart when you think of it.

I did not say he exists in it. You said 'all universes and realities are God' I do not agree with this, He is creator of the universe.

Your logic fails again because I never said this is heaven. Heaven is another universe. It is not in this world or this universe.

The below quote is what I understood from your post.

People think of heaven as a different place or universe without realizing we are living inside of one as we speak.

But why do salah in Arabic? Muhammad did not come to my nation. God never sent a prophet in failure. If God sent an Arabic man to prophecy to the Arabs it is to teach the Arabs the same way he taught the Israelites, Romans and nobody else outside of that . So yet again you have holes in your statements. I can break everything down in a exact math, you cant prove faith as it has no understandable answer but every mathematical problem has a solution and formula to find any "common denominator".

Like I said, a messenger was sent to all nations, and between most faiths if not all, you will find some similar teachings, but their are parts they differ greatly.

You stated you believe in the messenger (p) as the prophet of God in previous posts, seems like you lose faith fast.

If one has failed then it is you, He Muhammad (P) was a man who was illiterate to whom the revelation (Qur'aan) was revealad, was able to provide numerous solutions to todays world problems. A man who could read nor write was chosen to have the message brought to.

And if it's such a failure, it wouldn't be one of top faith's in the world right now, or atleast as far I recall as the fastest.

People around the world would neither be willing to take out their time to learn a new language, study it etc.

When I say brainwashed I am referring tot he way you speak in absolute. You speak in a manner that has no debate nor justification. it is "I am right your wrong" yet each and everytime people can poke holes all over you and your response is "Jannah is for the believer".

Nobody is 'poking holes' at you, they are informing you, correcting you, or advising you, I by no means see that as wrong. It is you who thinks in such a way.

Don't know about them muslims, but perhaps you should have done your own research if you were seeking.

Read the Qur'aan and study it, the mention of the splitting of the moon is mentioned in Surah Al Qamar - Chapter 54.

And also, again, if you'd studied the life of the prophets, you'd realise that there were some prophets taken as God, (though they did not ask to be worshipped but to worship their creator), due to performing miracles by the authority of God. The prophet (P) greatest miracle is the Qur'aan. Which of course you disagree with.

I know when I am not welcomed . I do not denounced the Quran but i find no truth in it according to any logic and this perhaps may be because of my lack of reading it but I will continue reading it for the sake of it and because you think it is important.

Don't read the Qur'aan for us, read it for yourself and come to a conclusion by your own self. It's silly to speak without knowledge, because you seemed to have concluded without reading or studying the Qur'aan..

 

[BadOlPuttyTat]

Re: Fundamentals

People think of heaven as a different place or universe without realizing we are living inside of one as we speak.

Yeah I must have said that wrong. :exhausted. I do not believe that. I write my sentences in fragments so I may have just skipped some words but I meant "we are living inside a universe as we speak".

Nobody is 'poking holes' at you, they are informing you, correcting you, or advising you, I by no means see that as wrong. It is you who thinks in such a way.
Don't know about them muslims, but perhaps you should have done your own research if you were seeking.
Read the Qur'aan and study it, the mention of the splitting of the moon is mentioned in Surah Al Qamar - Chapter 54.
And also, again, if you'd studied the life of the prophets, you'd realise that there were some prophets taken as God, (though they did not ask to be worshipped but to worship their creator), due to performing miracles by the authority of God. The prophet (P) greatest miracle is the Qur'aan. Which of course you disagree with.

I MEANT YOU . I do not believe anyone is poking holes in my beliefs I believe in the reverse.

I believe you have a big squishy, tender and loving heart the size of a melon :statisfie. Please know that you HAVE NOT made me loose my faith in Islam. I would hug you but I dont want to get to close to you disrespecting your Islamic rules about males and females touchings ( Plus I am afraid you bite :giggling

I wish you blessings in life Muslimah :muslimah:. You have a big heart so cut it open and let a few people in it :haha:

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

Re: Fundamentals

DELETE ME

:haha:

I apologize for the last time against the people I have let down and wonderful people I have met here

You have not let me down. I'm just upset It's very sad to see someone turn away from Islaam. God-willing, you shall come back.

Forgive me, if I've ever hurt your feelings or intentions in anyway. I did not mean to. I was only trying to help.

Take care of yourself, keep an open mind about everything, get out of the house and explore, meet new poeple and be positive.

Always smile

May Allaah guide us through this fickle life and keep us on the straight path.

Goodbye.

 

[Qurratul Ayn]

Re: Fundamentals

I MEANT YOU . I do not believe anyone is poking holes in my beliefs I believe in the reverse.

I believe you have a big squishy, tender and loving heart the size of a melon . Please know that you HAVE NOT made me loose my faith in Islam. I would hug you but I dont want to get to close to you disrespecting your Islamic rules about males and females touchings ( Plus I am afraid you bite )

I wish you blessings in life Muslimah . You have a big heart so cut it open and let a few people in it

:haha: