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To Allah belong the east and the West: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah. For Allah is all-Pervading, all-Knowing


there you have it..allah is everywhere..


Lol grossly out of context. it says his prescence is everywhere. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i think its referring to when Allah SWT ordained for change of Kibla from Musjid Aqsa in Palestine to the ka'bah, and people started wondering why. Then Allah SWT said it doesn't matter where you turn i can see you everywhere, thge west and the east belongs to me, i can hear you everywhere. But like i explained before, because we pray in congregation Allah SWT ordered us all tp pray in the direction of the ka'bah for unity.
 
Lol grossly out of context.

ok so other than the translation itself you use your opion which states:

i think its referring to when Allah SWT ordained for change of Kibla from Musjid Aqsa in Palestine to the ka'bah, and people started wondering why. Then Allah SWT said it doesn't matter where you turn i can see you everywhere, thge west and the east belongs to me, i can hear you everywhere. But like i explained before, because we pray in congregation Allah SWT ordered us all tp pray in the direction of the ka'bah for unity

I hope you realise that anyone could just say that you need to provide proof other than what you think unfortunately you have not been able to counterargue I will look forward to a more logical response.

Have a devilish day:)
 
Lol grossly out of context. it says his prescence is everywhere. Someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i think its referring to when Allah SWT ordained for change of Kibla from Musjid Aqsa in Palestine to the ka'bah, and people started wondering why. Then Allah SWT said it doesn't matter where you turn i can see you everywhere, thge west and the east belongs to me, i can hear you everywhere. But like i explained before, because we pray in congregation Allah SWT ordered us all tp pray in the direction of the ka'bah for unity.

Ok, why is it essential to go to Hajj, and from what i hear to touch, embrace the black stone, is this not Idoltary?

BTW - After you write 'Allah' why do you write 'SWT' and what does it stand for?
 
the same way the mother gives her DNA to her child, dont you think God gives somesort of "sign" from himself to the creation? we as sikhs say that our Soul comes from God, therefore God is a part of us.
what do you say?
 
Ok, why is it essential to go to Hajj, and from what i hear to touch, embrace the black stone, is this not Idoltary?

BTW - After you write 'Allah' why do you write 'SWT' and what does it stand for?


Theres a really nice quote of one of the companions which is something along the lines of 'I know your a stone and you can neither profit me nor harm me' or something and he goes on to say that he only done it cos he saw the prophet do it.

peace be upon him.

G-d wiling someone will get the proper translation for that.

And SWT, I think that is Glorified and High is he or something.

Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala or something along those lines.
 
the same way the mother gives her DNA to her child, dont you think God gives somesort of "sign" from himself to the creation? we as sikhs say that our Soul comes from God, therefore God is a part of us.
what do you say?

Im confused.

Do you mean G-d splits parts of His own soul and gives em to ya.

Or do you mean G-d creates a soul and gives it to u so its from Him in that sense?
 
Im confused.

Do you mean G-d splits parts of His own soul and gives em to ya.

Or do you mean G-d creates a soul and gives it to u so its from Him in that sense?

Neither, spirit does not have spatial parameters, its something which is knowable but not comprehendable. Its pure bliss unlike anything material.
 
i'll answar you later cause i have to go now, but why do you say G-d..what does that mean? does it say God, and why dont u write God?
 
What it means Guru? Are priests?

No the word Guru means...

(literally the word guru means teacher) Second level of its meaning is that the guru is a spiritual leader, a saint, a maharishi, a yogi or a swami.

However, the meaning of the word Guru in Sikh terminology is at a further higher level, and it stands for the 'prophet'.
 
No the word Guru means...

(literally the word guru means teacher) Second level of its meaning is that the guru is a spiritual leader, a saint, a maharishi, a yogi or a swami.

However, the meaning of the word Guru in Sikh terminology is at a further higher level, and it stands for the 'prophet'.

With respect its not prophet either just guru, guru in sikhism is one who is "one" with god, prophet is a messenger that receives a revelation from an angel about god. Sikhs only believe in guru.:)

No offence
 
With respect its not prophet either just guru, guru in sikhism is one who is "one" with god, prophet is a messenger that receives a revelation from an angel about god. Sikhs only believe in guru.:)

No offence

And Guru Nanak Ji received just that, but not via an angel, but directly from God.

We do not believe in the Guru as a form of worship he uttered the words of God. And God is what we worship!
 
And Guru Nanak Ji received just that, but not via an angel, but directly from God.

We do not believe in the Guru as a form of worship he uttered the words of God. And God is what we worship!

Sikhs meditate on gods name this is a very important distinction, worship is a form of devotion like dharmic geet its not a spiritual technique, wheras simran, paath and kirtan is for soul. I feel uncomfortable with the word worship it reminds me of incas and aztecs. But yes the words were recieved directly from god.:)
 
Ok, why is it essential to go to Hajj, and from what i hear to touch, embrace the black stone, is this not Idoltary?

BTW - After you write 'Allah' why do you write 'SWT' and what does it stand for?



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Peace to all

I guess that was a similar question in few weeks back,ok these are the answer for it:

Bismi-llah

why is it essential to go to Hajj

Hajj as an obligatory act of worship, means to visit the Kaa'ba in Makkah on the specified dates in the month of Dhil-hajj and perform the religious rites in accordance with the Islamic Laws, the word Hajj means to make a resolve to visit a holy place,The Kaabah.The Origin of Hajj is rooted in the Prophet Ibrahim(PBUH) life. Hajj, or the Pilgrimage, was instituted by the prophet Ibrahim to serve as the focal meeting place for all believers in the One God(Allah).Thus he made Makka the center of the worldwide Islamic movement and also to make all the Muslim being unite as single entity.

from what i hear to touch, embrace the black stone, is this not Idoltary?

There is nothing to do with Idoltary,there is only an action that misinterpreted by people who do not know the background giving cause to it.The circumambulation(Tawaf) of the Ka’ba starts where the Black Stone is fixed and, during the seven rounds, it is either kissed or touched, or a sign is made towards it at the end of every round,to use as a marking point.Moreover, it is the way to offer greeting to the Kaaba.

It is said that when Abraham completed the building of the Kaaba, with the help of his son, Ishmael, God commanded him to do the tawaf. He was not able to keep a correct count of the rounds he made. He felt that other worshipers would be similarly confused. He prayed God to give him a sign to be used for counting rounds.And the Angel Gabriel brought him the Black Stone.

There is not the slightest vestige in this or worshipping it.That the Stone itself is ascribed no power is demonstrated very well in what ‘Umar is reported to have said while kissing it: You are a mere stone. If the Prophet(PBUH) had not kissed you, I would have never kissed you.

After you write 'Allah' why do you write 'SWT' and what does it stand for?

That mean to glorified to our god. And 'SWT' mean "Subhanahu wa Ta`ala" = "Glorified and Exalted is He"
 
For those that want to know more about the Sikh religion...

"If a hundred moons were to come out,
and a thousand suns were to rise;
in spite of all this illumination,
all would be pitch dark without the Guru."
(Guru Angad, 2nd prophet of the Sikhs)



Guru Nanak received a Hukam (commandment) from God instructing him to spread a message of truth based on devotion to One God, honesty, and compassion. The soul of Guru Nanak passed on to nine successors, who elaborated on the first Guru's teachings to give form to this new religion. The final form was given by the tenth and last Guru, Gobind Singh, who started the Sikh initiation ceremony: initiated Sikhs formed a community of saint-soldiers known as Khalsa, the Pure Ones. Guru Gobind Singh also made it clear that, after him, the Guru-eternal for Sikhs would be their holy scripture, Guru Granth Sahib.


GURU NANAK DEV JI

Born in 1469 to a Hindu family near the city of Lahore (now a part of Pakistan), Guru Nanak was the founder of Sikhism. The young Nanak enjoyed the company of holy men and engaged them in long discussions about the nature of God. Around the year 1500, Nanak had a revelation from God; and shortly thereafter, he uttered the words:

There is No Hindu, There is No Muslim

This pronouncement was substantial as it referred to the day and age in which Guru Nanak lived: Hindus and Muslims of India constantly and bitterly fought each other over the issue of religion. The Guru meant to emphasize that, ultimately, in the eyes of God, it is not religion that determines a person's merits, but one's actions.

The Guru witnessed the Mughal invasion of India, and saw the horrors inflicted upon the common people by the invaders. Though a pacifist, Guru Nanak did not hesitate to speak up against injustice:

The kings are ravenous beasts, their ministers are dogs.

The Age is a Knife, and the Kings are Butchers
In this dark night of evil, the moon of righteousness is nowhere visible.

Guru Nanak laid forth three basic principles by which every human being should abide:
1. Remember the name of God at all times.
2. Earn an honest living as a householder.
3. Share a portion of your earnings with the less fortunate.

Besides rejecting the Hindu caste system, idolatry, and ritualism, Guru Nanak preached universal equality. In consistence with his message of equality, Guru Nanak scorned those who considered women to be evil and inferior to men by asking:

Why should we call her inferior, when it is she who gives birth to great persons?

Guru Nanak has been documented to have traveled across India and the Middle East to spread his message. Once, at Mecca, the Guru was resting with his feet pointing toward the holy shrine. When a Muslim priest angrily reprimanded the Guru for showing disrespect to God, the Guru replied, "Kindly point my feet toward the place where God does not exist." Among the many philosophical foundations laid by Guru Nanak , his characterization of God, as illustrated by his visit to Mecca, is most recognizable. It forms the opening lines of the 1430 page Sikh holy scripture, Guru Granth Sahib. The translation is as follows:

There is but One God, The Supreme Truth; The Ultimate Reality, The Creator, Without fear, Without enemies, Timeless is His image, Without Birth, Self Created, By His grace revealed.

Like all the Gurus after him, Guru Nanak preached by example. During a time of great social disarray and religious decay, his message served as a fresh, uncorrupted approach toward spirituality and God. The message of the Guru took almost 240 years to unfold, and so, in accordance with the Will of God, the soul of Guru Nanak merged into the souls of his nine successors.


2. GURU ANGAD


Besides maintaining and upholding the traditions laid forth by Guru Nanak, the second Guru created the Gurmukhi script, a medium through which the writings and teachings of the Sikh gurus could be readily understood by their followers. By disassociating the Sikh tradition from Sanskrit influence, a script and language largely unknown to the masses, the Guru emphasized the universality and widespread accessibility of Sikh religious thought. Moreover, it solidified the idea that Sikhism started as a distinct and revealed religion.


3. GURU AMAR DAS


The third Sikh Guru reinforced the teachings of the previous Gurus by organizing the construction of twenty-two centers of religious learning for the Sikhs. Like his predecessors, he sharply criticized the practice of sati, where widows immolated themselves on the funeral pyres of their dead husbands. The Guru also required that anyone wishing to meet him would have to first partake in the common kitchen, called Langar, as a sign of equality. The Emperor Akbar, Muslim ruler of India, himself followed this tradition before meeting with the Guru.


4. GURU RAM DAS

Founder of the city of Amritsar, site of the Golden Temple, Guru Ram Das worked to ensure the city's growth by encouraging commercial and trade ventures in the town. Soon, with the city flourishing as a trade center and place of pilgrimage, the Sikhs had a distinct religious center of their own.


5. GURU ARJAN

The fifth Guru started the construction of the Golden Temple. To emphasize the universality of Sikhism, the foundation stone of the shrine was laid by a Muslim saint, named Mian Mir. Also, the temple featured four entrances to represent access to all communities. Guru Arjan compiled the Adi Granth, the Sikh scripture containing the writings of all the Gurus up until that time (the writings of the eighth Guru were added by Guru Gobind Singh). As another sign of the universality of Sikh philosophy, the Guru added the writings of several Muslim and Hindu saints, whose ideas corresponded to Sikh beliefs. With the passage of time, the Guru attracted a substantial following; and therefore, the Sikh community assumed a socio-political character. In 1606, Emperor Jehangir, the Muslim ruler of India, summoned the Guru to his court on the charge of blessing a rebellious relative of the Emperor's. Upon the Guru's refusal to embrace Islam to escape death, the fifth prophet of the Sikh religion was subject to inhumane torture and killed. Thus, the martyrdom tradition of Sikhism began with the martyrdom of the Guru himself. From this point forward, Sikhism began to form itself into a community of saint-soldiers.


6. GURU HAR GOBIND

Responsible for establishing idea of the inseparability of spiritual and temporal matters, the sixth Guru maintained an army for the purpose of protecting the poor and destroying tyrants. He constructed the Akal Takht, center of temporal affairs in the Sikh religion, across from the Golden Temple in Amritsar. By this time, the Sikh community was a full-fledged social, religious, and political entity.


7. GURU HAR RAI

The seventh Guru continued the mission of organizing the Sikhs into a military force that would be equipped and ready, both spiritually and physically, to counter the repressive Mughal empire.


8. GURU HAR KRISHAN

At only five years of age, the eighth Sikh Guru was the youngest. He worked to alleviate the suffering of the common man during a smallpox epidemic in Delhi, but succumbed to the disease himself at the age of eight.


9. GURU TEGH BAHADUR

The Mughal Emperor of India, Aurangzeb, attempted to consolidate India into one Islamic nation. In order to achieve this aim, he set out to virtually eliminate Hinduism from India. When the eighth Guru heard of this from a desperate group of Hindus, he challenged the Emperor that, in order to convert all the Hindus, the Guru himself would have to embrace Islam. When the Guru was imprisoned at the request of Aurangzeb in 1675, despite being forced to watch the torture and execution of two disciples, the Guru simply refused to concede to the Emperor's demand. Finally, the Guru was ordered to get beheaded. Unparalleled in the history of humankind, the martyrdom of Guru Teg Bahadur was an act of sacrifice for another religious community. The Guru's martyrdom served to awaken the collective conscience of the Sikh community, which was about to undergo a final transformation in the years to follow.


10.GURU GOBIND SINGH

Upon the death of his father, Guru Gobind Singh felt compelled to organize the Sikhs into a community of saint-soldiers. During the spring of 1699, the Guru called his followers for a special gathering. During the day, thousands of people assembled in front of a stage and a tent, out of which emerged the Guru to address the massive audience. With sword in hand, the Guru asked the congregation if anyone would be willing to sacrifice their head for him. Naturally, the audience was stunned by the Guru's request, and many followers began to disperse out of sheer terror. Still, the Guru pressed for one of his followers to give their life for him. Finally, one of the assembled stood, with hands folded, and approached the Guru in full submission. The lone disciple was led into the tent by the Guru. After some time, the Guru emerged with a blood-stained sword and asked for another head. Overcome with shock, the audience could not believe what they were seeing; however, another devoted follower stood and offered his head to the Guru. Eventually, with the same outcome, three more devoted disciples offered their lives to the Guru. After the fifth devotee was led into the tent, to the surprise of the massive audience, the Guru emerged with the five followers fully clothed in the uniform of the Khalsa, or Pure. The Guru's demonstration symbolized a revitalization of the Sikh identity and the definitive evolution of the Sikh community into a community of saint-soldiers. After initiating the five "beloved ones" into the new order of the Khalsa, the Guru knelt before them and requested that they initiate him. In the annals of human history, such a transformation into a distinct and solidified community, culminating in the baptism of the prophet by his followers, remains a unique and defining moment.

Guru Gobind Singh and his Khalsa army were engaged in several battles against the imperialist Mughal army during the Guru's life. Through the course of those turbulent times, the Guru lost his four children and his mother to the cause of righteousness; but nevertheless, the Khalsa stood firm as a distinct and sovereign entity, able to withstand the onslaught of a mighty enemy.

In the face of persecution, the Guru wrote:

When all peaceful means of resolution have failed, it is righteous to draw the sword.

Before his death at the hands of an assailant in 1708, the Guru added the writings of Guru Tegh Bahadur to the Sikh scriptures, thereby giving a final revision to its form. The Guru also declared the lineage of living Gurus finished, and requested his followers to seek spiritual guidance from the Guru Granth Sahib. In essence, the light of Nanak, the first Guru, was to be forever enshrined within the pages of the Guru Granth Sahib.

Guru Granth Sahib Holy Book

To illustrate his point that the Guru Granth Sahib was the final Guru of the Sikhs, and as a sign of humility, Guru Gobind Singh did not include his writings, over 1400 pages worth of literature, in the Guru Granth Sahib. A separate volume, called Dasam Granth, features the writings of the tenth Sikh Guru.
 
"Hindus and Muslims of India constantly and bitterly fought each other over the issue of religion. The Guru meant to emphasize that, ultimately, in the eyes of God, it is not religion that determines a person's merits, but one's actions."
If the people from India would have turned to the new religion than the whole fight would have been stoped and India would have been not split :-[
I just read about sati. Who stopped the the funeral process because the hindu of today are not practising anymore?

Are priests, scholars in sikhism and where do you pray? in church, mosque?
 
Are priests, scholars in sikhism and where do you pray? in church, mosque?

There are Granthi's in Sikhism who read the Guru Granth Sahib Ji in Gurdwaras (Sikh place of worship). There are also scholars in Sikhism.
 
I just read about sati. Who stopped the the funeral process because the hindu of today are not practising anymore?

Are priests, scholars in sikhism and where do you pray? in church, mosque?

Sati was stopped by Guru Ji, It's useless practice.

We have Granthis - They read from the Scriptures, although anyone is allowed to read providing you are able to read Gurmukhi (punjabi) Be it a woman or man. We have no hierarchy in Sikhism.

We pray in Gurdwara's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdwara
Many can be found all over the UK and many other countries. Historical ones can be found in India.

This is to the Sikhs as is Mecca to the Muslims - Anyone is welcome (as seen with my own eyes last year, from Cauasians to chinese and Muslims)

http://www.sikhnet.com/GoldenTemple

Guru Arjan had it made and Muslim divine, Mian Mir of Lahore, is said to have been invited by Guru Arjan Dev to lay the foundation stone of the temple in A.D. 1588. The structure of the shrine also mixed the rectangular form of the Hindu temple with the dome and minarets of the Muslims
 
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what are you talking about?

how does that verse have anything to do with being allowed to marry relatives? in other places of the quran, specifically if you read surah nisaa (chapter 4) there is a verse which gives a list of people who you are not allowed to marry from, i.e immediate family
 

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