Some Muslim schools 'make children despise the West': Ban on cricket and Harry Potter

[Suomipoika]

Prove that she meant a militaristic attack.

Its absolutely amazing how far some people are willing to whitewash the sayings of nutjobs as long as they feel some sort of ideological connection. I also marvel at how someone who supposedly speaks in a scholarly refuting manner manages to miss any and all implications towards that peaceful scholarly refuting manner but army and death find their way into the speech.

There really is a certain point of naivety Im not willing to cross.

 

[justahumane]

alhamdulillah we agree upon something, we are not the same, your faith and mine are not the same.

Absolutely, I believe in ALLAH the merciful, loving and kind, and I believe that he expects us to be kind and loving to his creations, no place for hatred, but alas U seems to differ. Will pray for U, may ALLAH show U the right path AMEEN.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Greetings,


Supporting the soldiers is very different from supporting the war. If you're so literal-minded as to be unable to see that, that's your issue and nobody else's.

Were you one of the morons protesting in Luton last week, by any chance?

Peace

your soldiers are dogs and prostitutes, worse than this in fact. they are either fighting for money and career and are worse than prostitutes who do less bad things for money,

or they are fighting for nationalism, a sick disgusting concept and making them just like the nazis in their motivation.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Absolutely, I believe in ALLAH the merciful, loving and kind, and I believe that he expects us to be kind and loving to his creations, no place for hatred, but alas U seems to differ. Will pray for U, may ALLAH show U the right path AMEEN.

Allah tells us in the Quran to hate, to have bara with the disbelievers, if you truly believe in the Quran and in Allah then you should love and hate only for his sake.

(as well as removing the hindu name tag you keep as part of your profile as Allah tells us only Islam is acceptable to him).

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Themina Ahmed, the creator of the history curriculum for the two Islamic Shaksiyah Foundation schools, in Slough and Haringey, North London, has written: 'The world will witness the destruction of the communist nation of the USSR and all other [tyranical] states when the forces of liberty are unleashed upon them.'


Themina Ahmed, the creator of the history curriculum for the two Islamic Shaksiyah Foundation schools, in Slough and Haringey, North London, has written: 'The world will witness the demise of the repressive dictatorship of Iraq and all other [tyrant] states when the forces of democracy are unleashed upon them.'





See what I did there??? Isnt that what America has done throughout the ages? I was too lazy to do Iran but don't worry, give it a year and you'll hear it from our government themselves.


You don't like the rhetoric because it is directed against you. Guess how people like the Iranians and etc feel? Oh wait... the secular government of America can say this but come a religious guy and OMGZOR he iz NUTZ!@# :rollseyes

Really.. nutjobs huh?

It really is the same thing as what our government says. Just switch around a few phrases with generous servings of the words "liberty and democracy" to smooth it over.

Are you so mypic that you can't see this very behavior in the national governments of the world and yet when an idividual says it, theyre nutjobs?

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Allah tells us in the Quran to hate, to have bara with the disbelievers, if you truly believe in the Quran and in Allah then you should love and hate only for his sake.

(as well as removing the hindu name tag you keep as part of your profile as Allah tells us only Islam is acceptable to him).

Well just to clarfy your point brother ( I sense you are slightly angry while writing this), Allah exhorts us to love good deeds and hate bad deeds. To love the truth and hate the false.

But in order to carry this out, we cannot violently bash heads witht he disbelievers. Calling them to the truth is not a painful or insulting this. It is a open minded process meant to help them attain success in this and the next life.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Its absolutely amazing how far some people are willing to whitewash the sayings of nutjobs as long as they feel some sort of ideological connection. I also marvel at how someone who supposedly speaks in a scholarly refuting manner manages to miss any and all implications towards that peaceful scholarly refuting manner but army and death find their way into the speech.

There really is a certain point of naivety Im not willing to cross.

I marvel at your sidestepping abilities and sarcastic humor?

 

[Uthman]

Were you one of the morons protesting in Luton last week, by any chance

Regarding that, here is a GMTV clip from youtube featuring Anjem Choudary who I think led the protest. It was...interesting to hear what he had to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzI9G9uNToY&feature=related

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Regarding that, here is a GMTV clip from youtube featuring Anjem Choudary who I think led the protest. It was...interesting to hear what he had to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzI9G9uNToY&feature=related

They're right at the end - it was definitely good of him to go on and present his side of the story.

But: here we have a guy who seems allergic to answering questions. He could easily get a job as a politician.

Not many people dispute his well-made case against the Iraq war and the atrocities that have been committed by some forces, but the point is this:

Soldiers don't start wars - politicians do. If you object to the Iraq war policy, it is the government that you need to take your grievance to, not the poor grunts who have to carry out their orders whether they agree with them or not.

If he really does believe that by protesting in this way he was never going to stir up tension, then he is not even as insightful as the members of the Westboro Baptist Church in America, who picket soldiers' funerals thanking god for their deaths, and who at least realise that they're going to cause tension.

Peace

 

[Uthman]

Greetings czgibson,

Not many people dispute his well-made case against the Iraq war and the atrocities that have been committed by some forces, but the point is this:

Soldiers don't start wars - politicians do. If you object to the Iraq war policy, it is the government that you need to take your grievance to, not the poor grunts who have to carry out their orders whether they agree with them or not.

I completely agree with you, but what did you make of his argument which compared these soldiers to those who carried out the orders of the government under Nazi Germany?

In any case, it seems (and he admitted that) the reasoning behind them protesting in this way was to generate maximum publicity. While their anger is probably justified, some of the things that they were shouting and the placards that they were holding were clearly contrary to the teachings and the spirit of Islam.

As a sidenote, protests are actually banned outside parliament square, which would probably otherwise be the ideal place if you wanted to protest to the politicians and generate lots of publicity at the same time.

If he really does believe that by protesting in this way he was never going to stir up tension, then he is not even as insightful as the members of the Westboro Baptist Church in America, who picket soldiers' funerals thanking god for their deaths, and who at least realise that they're going to cause tension.

That's quite shocking.

Regards

 

[Whatsthepoint]

thats what you all say, but then we see you out on the streets celebrating and giving parades for the soldiers who take part in these illegal wars, i mean who the hell are you bloody trying to kid here???? oh yes im against the war, but im gonna treat the ones who do the war as heroes! its the soldiers who are holding the guns, driving the humvees, the tanks, the jets, its them who are shooting, bombing, torturing, abusing, they are the ones causing the carnage, so unless you guys are willing to condemn the soldiers, then you are also part of the problem, you can say you dont support the war, but sorry, supporting the terrorists who wage the war is supporting the war, theres no difference.

You don't even know where I live for crying out loud!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Western music and somehow even chess, I understand. But Harry Potter and cricket? What’s wrong with that?

Why chess? I thought the modern form of chess was developed in the Muslim world.

 

[Suomipoika]

I marvel at your sidestepping abilities and sarcastic humor?

Good for you. In the meantime Ill quote the message of scholarly refuting again:

'The world will witness the death of the criminal capitalist nation of America and all other [infidel] states when the army of jihad is unleashed upon them.'

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Good for you. In the meantime Ill quote the message of scholarly refuting again:

'The world will witness the death of the criminal capitalist nation of America and all other [infidel] states when the army of jihad is unleashed upon them.'

See my post which you still have not responded to. Change a few words around and you get what such "nations" like America always say. Yet... only that individual is nutz right?

 

[Dawud_uk]

lets get over a few mis-conceptions here regarding the soldiers in the british army,

they are doing their job as i see it for one of three reasons, each is disgusting and hated in the eyes of islam.

1. they do it for money and career, like i said before, such people are worse than prostitutes, who only have sex for money, soldiers kill, murder and maim for their theirs.

2. they do it for nationalism, which is the same reasoning as the nazis, 'for the further and fatherland' is no difference to queen and country.

3. they actually believe in all this imposing of democracy and liberal secularism brain washing crap and so they are totally ideologically opposed to the muslims and are our enemies just like the politicians.

now do they have a choice to fight as some keep saying?

YES, they do in fact. they had a choice when joining up, even now when about to be sent to afghanistan or iraq they could turn around and say 'you know what, stuff you and your lies, i'm not going.' they'd have to leave the army and might do a few months prison time but this is better than killing.

so they have a choice, their motivation is evil, and in islam, imaan means belief, actions and speech and we judge on the apparent and have al-wala wal-bara based on the apparent.

so i hate the soldiers for the sake of Allah, Allah tells us we should have bara with the kuffar, now that can mean some distance so we dont take them as our close friends but can still be friendly, but when it reaches those who are fighting the beleivers then it is open hatred, hatred for the sake of Allah.

 

[justahumane]

Allah tells us in the Quran to hate, to have bara with the disbelievers, if you truly believe in the Quran and in Allah then you should love and hate only for his sake.

(as well as removing the hindu name tag you keep as part of your profile as Allah tells us only Islam is acceptable to him).

Well brother, I wont take my lessons of religion by someone who I consider not guided even. But thanks for ur advice anyways, I m sure that U have suggested me something out of ur own mental makeup. But coz its almost agreed upon that we are not the same, so U go ur way and I will go mine, bear witness that I told U about love of ALLAH, minus any hatred.

Peace.

 

[justahumane]

Allah tells us in the Quran to hate, to have bara with the disbelievers, if you truly believe in the Quran and in Allah then you should love and hate only for his sake.

(as well as removing the hindu name tag you keep as part of your profile as Allah tells us only Islam is acceptable to him).

A brother has just suggested me that U doesnt seems to be what U pretend to be. I see some truth in his statement, and it gives me feeling that U are here not to spread Islamic teachings or remove misconceptions about Islam but to malign the religion rather with ur dogmatic interpretation. And spreading the sense of hatred inspite of love.

I request the mods to look into this angle, and do the needfull. If I m wrong than U can demand an apology from me with consant of mods and get this post deleted.

Peace.

 

[Dawud_uk]

A brother has just suggested me that U doesnt seems to be what U pretend to be. I see some truth in his statement, and it gives me feeling that U are here not to spread Islamic teachings or remove misconceptions about Islam but to malign the religion rather with ur dogmatic interpretation. And spreading the sense of hatred inspite of love.

I request the mods to look into this angle, and do the needfull. If I m wrong than U can demand an apology from me with consant of mods and get this post deleted.

Peace.

yeah that is fine, i am happy with them doing so as i know some of the brothers on here locally so it would be easy for them to varify to you that i am not some internet troll.

the brother wouldnt be the same one who sees those who side with the disbelievers in his home country as the good muslims whilst those who oppose them must all be spies and traitors?

he has made simular allegations in the past, but it is total rubbish as brothers who go to my local masjid will be able to varify.

you see sometimes people see things differently, the point is we are supposed to discuss matters based upon evidences, not result to petty insults and slanders behind peoples backs as some have been doing against me.

if you disagree, then bring your proof and put Quran and sunnah between us and let us discuss it from there.

 

[Dawud_uk]

Well brother, I wont take my lessons of religion by someone who I consider not guided even. But thanks for ur advice anyways, I m sure that U have suggested me something out of ur own mental makeup. But coz its almost agreed upon that we are not the same, so U go ur way and I will go mine, bear witness that I told U about love of ALLAH, minus any hatred.

Peace.

ok, it is good you are a believer in Allah, and i know you have said before you dont associate partners with him, unlike many others who share your religion of hinduism.

but do you believe the Quran is the true word of Allah? his revealed scripture to mankind to help guide them through this life and be successful in the next?

 

[justahumane]

yeah that is fine, i am happy with them doing so as i know some of the brothers on here locally so it would be easy for them to varify to you that i am not some internet troll.

the brother wouldnt be the same one who sees those who side with the disbelievers in his home country as the good muslims whilst those who oppose them must all be spies and traitors?

he has made simular allegations in the past, but it is total rubbish as brothers who go to my local masjid will be able to varify.

you see sometimes people see things differently, the point is we are supposed to discuss matters based upon evidences, not result to petty insults and slanders behind peoples backs as some have been doing against me.


if you disagree, then bring your proof and put Quran and sunnah between us and let us discuss it from there.

Okay, it may be my mistake, but since this was told to me so I tought it better to clarify rather than keep confined. I m sorry for my words. forgive me.