Talmud - Jewish secret "holy" book

[جوري]

If by pedantic you mean I am concerned with the truth, then you bet I am.
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No, by pedantic I mean: Marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects.


all the best

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam / Peace

..If someone can read such a topic ......the truth is irrelevant to them.

I did not read the whole thread. Pl. let me know about the Truth.

Jews holy books don't have any verse that shows disrespect to Jesus and his virgin mother pbut or order them not to show mercy or save alive nothing ?

I asked about the link where i can find the whole books of jews ...don't know if anyone has posted that or not .

 

[Shahreaz]

Salaam / Peace

I did not read the whole thread. Pl. let me know about the Truth.

Jews holy books don't have any verse that shows disrespect to Jesus and his virgin mother pbut or order them not to show mercy or save alive nothing ?

I asked about the link where i can find the whole books of jews ...don't know if anyone has posted that or not .

Salam MW, They openly mock/insult Jesus [pbuh] & Mary in their TV shows. Just see these videos;

israeli tv humiliating Christianity by making fun of Jesus and Mary
jesus and holly mary are insulted and humiliated in israel

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Salam MW, They openly mock/insult Jesus [pbuh] & Mary in their TV shows. Just see these videos;

israeli tv humiliating Christianity by making fun of Jesus and Mary
jesus and holly mary are insulted and humiliated in israel

I think you can find TV shows in about any society that have comedies making fun of all religions...but back to the Talmud...check out this link.

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html

It discusses how the Talmud deals with Jesus(PBUH) and whether those passages really are saying anything about Jesus(PBUH). Hope it helps.
There doesn't seem to be a concensus among the scholars that the passages are describing Jesus of Nazareth (PBUH).

:wa:

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

I think you can find TV shows in about any society that have comedies making fun of all religions

No , u will never see Muslims are degrading any Prophet pbut.
Do Jews make fun of Moses pbuh ?

 

[Rabi Mansur]

Salaam/Peace




No , u will never see Muslims are degrading any Prophet pbut.
Do Jews make fun of Moses pbuh ?

On Saturday Night Live I've seen Jews make fun of Moses(p). Of course, they are secular Jews most likely.

Were the Jews making fun of Jesus(p) on the show posted above, Orthodox Jews? I doubt it. It was probably just a comedy show from Israel.

My point is that in most societies, you will see comedy shows making fun of all religions. If you are offended, you don't have to laugh or even watch. It is part of having free speech. The media is not controlled by religions in most countries.

:wa:

 

[جوري]

My point is that in most societies, you will see comedy shows making fun of all religions. If you are offended, you don't have to laugh or even watch. It is part of having free speech. The media is not controlled by religions in most countries.

:wa:

There is nothing 'freeing' about libel and slander or a society or a people that have no reverence!

peace

 

[titus]

No , u will never see Muslims are degrading any Prophet pbut.

Maybe not, but can you imagine them ridiculing Hindu beliefs, or Buddhist beliefs, or Scientology? Most certainly. I have seen it happen on other forums.

There is nothing 'freeing' about libel and slander or a society or a people that have no reverence!

Libel or slander? Where has that happened?

Is it libel if someone writes that they don't believe your Prophet? Is it slander if someone says that they don't believe Jesus was the son of God? I think it is pure hyperbole to call making fun of someones beliefs slander or libel.

If you are so concerned about libel and slander then why do you not care if someone starts a thread lying about Judaism? (Oh, that's right, it's only Jews and they deserve it....)

Freedom is a two way street. You have the freedom to say whatever you want about Judaism, and other people have the right to say whatever they want about Islam... or Christianity, or any other religion.

 

[Predator]

On Saturday Night Live I've seen Jews make fun of Moses(p). Of course, they are secular Jews most likely.

Were the Jews making fun of Jesus(p) on the show posted above, Orthodox Jews? I doubt it. It was probably just a comedy show from Israel.

My point is that in most societies, you will see comedy shows making fun of all religions. If you are offended, you don't have to laugh or even watch. It is part of having free speech. The media is not controlled by religions in most countries.

:wa:

For many muslims, we love our Prophets more than we love ourselves.
And the act of israeli media was obviously inciting hatred, and they knew 100% what they are doing.

If the concept is still not clear to you, let me give you a picture which may clarify the matter to you:
How would you feel if your local news channel made fun of your mother as the biggest ***** in your hometown and your father as a moronic pimp?

 

[جوري]

Libel or slander? Where has that happened?

Is it libel if someone writes that they don't believe your Prophet? Is it slander if someone says that they don't believe Jesus was the son of God? I think it is pure hyperbole to call making fun of someones beliefs slander or libel.

If you are so concerned about libel and slander then why do you not care if someone starts a thread lying about Judaism? (Oh, that's right, it's only Jews and they deserve it....)

Freedom is a two way street. You have the freedom to say whatever you want about Judaism, and other people have the right to say whatever they want about Islam... or Christianity, or any other religion.

libel and slander fall under a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming and slander are words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another. Like nasty cartoons about the prophet as an ex.

I have no reason to speak out against something where the party concerned hasn't bothered to clarify.

And ultimately it is true, the Zionists have you advocating for them in every possible allowing fashion, if you could help them eradicate every last one of us you would in fact, I see no point at all joining forces with human devils!

all the best

 

[Rabi Mansur]

If the concept is still not clear to you, let me give you a picture which may clarify the matter to you:
How would you feel if your local news channel made fun of your mother as the biggest ***** in your hometown and your father as a moronic pimp?

If they were no longer alive there would be nothing I could do about it. You cannot slander a deceased person. The law can do nothing about that. If they were still alive, then the libel and slander laws would apply.

Now, are you asking me would I be offended? Of course. Would I be offended at someone making fun of Mary and Jesus(p)? Yes of course I would, and I have been offended by some of the depictions of them in our culture.

But I can choose to boycott the channel, turn it off, change the channel, ignore it, write letters to the paper, complain to the sponsors, etc.

Perhaps I just don't understand the level of your outrage since I'm not Muslim, and if I did, maybe I would be taking a different position. I mean no disrespect to you at all.

:wa:

 

[Muslim Woman]

Salaam/Peace

Maybe not, but can you imagine them ridiculing Hindu beliefs, or Buddhist beliefs, or Scientology? Most certainly. I have seen it happen on other forums.

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I never saw / heard of any programee on TV in any Muslim majority country mocking Rama or Buddha or other religious figures.

 

[titus]

libel and slander fall under a false and malicious publication printed for the purpose of defaming and slander are words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another. Like nasty cartoons about the prophet as an ex.

Or lying about a religious text to damage the reputation of all the followers of that religion?

And ultimately it is true, the Zionists have you advocating for them in every possible allowing fashion, if you could help them eradicate every last one of us you would in fact, I see no point at all joining forces with human devils!

Thank you for providing such an excellent example of libel.

 

[جوري]

Or lying about a religious text to damage the reputation of all the followers of that religion?

If you can prove that it is lies!

Thank you for providing such an excellent example of libel.

The condition of verity of events renders 'libel' moot in this case!

all the best

 

[titus]

The condition of verity of events renders 'libel' moot in this case!

Verity is not your forte. Insults are.

This is just another glaring example. You cannot argue the facts so you lie and claim that I want to see every Muslim in the world killed.

You, of course, have no facts to back up your claim. It is completely fictive and exists only in your head.

 

[جوري]

Verity is not your forte. Insults are.

Not at all, but I understand that, that is the crutch you like to reach for when your arguments are so ailing!

This is just another glaring example. You cannot argue the facts so you lie and claim that I want to see every Muslim in the world killed.

Here is an adequate assessment of your own approach, and demonstrated beautifully throughout this thread!

You, of course, have no facts to back up your claim. It is completely fictive and exists only in your head.

I can only work with what you write, so if you are big on fiction yourself, what can I do with the distillate that draws from fatuity?!



all the best (as always :shade

 

[Asiyaah]

I think we must be careful not to paint all Jews with the same brush. Also one has to be very careful when dealing with translations of the Talmud. The Talmud should be studied in Hebrew and requires a lifetime of dedication and study. From my understanding there are currently no reliable english translations.

 

[titus]

I can only work with what you write, so if you are big on fiction yourself, what can I do with the distillate that draws from fatuity?!

You can back up what you have to say. Claiming that I want all Muslims killed is a serious allegation and I defy you find one quote from me that even comes close to supporting your fatuous claims.

 

[Muezzin]

Ya know, folks, if civil discussion is exhausted, I could just close the thread...

If not, please continue. In a civil manner.

 

[Predator]

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel

Saudi Foreign minister was spot with his criticism when he said

"Israel has become in the international community like a spoiled child," he said. "It does what it wants without being questioned or punished."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1139365.html