Talmud - Jewish secret "holy" book

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Airforce, have you not read any of my posts or checked out any of the links I posted?

These "quotes" are all either misinterpretations or outright lies.

If you have an issue with Israel then so be it, but that does not mean you should believe lies about their religion, much less help spread those lies.
 
These "quotes" are all either misinterpretations or outright lies.

How is that a lie ? They can do whatever they want and no one is allowed to oppose them .

And I suppose the below verses of insult to Mary and Jesus are also the video are also lie too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ma4zgSXpFgE

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a *****: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.


Jesus in the Talmud:

Horrible Blasphemies Against Jesus Christ

While it is the standard disinformation practice of apologists for the Talmud to deny that it contains any scurrilous references to Jesus Christ, certain Orthodox Jewish organizations are more forthcoming and admit that the Talmud not only mentions Jesus but disparages him (as a sorcerer and a demented sex freak). These orthodox Jewish organizations make this admission perhaps out of the belief that Jewish supremacy is so well-established in the modern world that they need not concern themselves with adverse reactions.

For example, on the website of the Orthodox Jewish Hasidic Lubavitch group--one of the largest in the world--we find the following statement, complete with Talmudic citations:

"The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of 'Jesus the Nazarene':

1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).

2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).

3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures that involved cutting his flesh, which is also explicitly banned in the Bible (Shabbos 104b).

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement."

If you have an issue with Israel then so be it, but that does not mean you should believe lies about their religion, much less help spread those lies.

I dont give a crap if you love israel so much and If it makes you sick , you are welcome to take an epic walk through the door and go join in another forum , as long as you come here to try to defend these satanists , i will have fun proving you wrong
 
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How is that a lie ? They can do whatever they want and no one is allowed to oppose them .

I have posted multiple links already explaining this. Please take the time to look them over. Take the time to actually read the Talmud before blindly believing something you read on the internet.

And I suppose the below verses of insult to Mary and Jesus are also the video are also lie too

Not being a Christian I don't care. There are differences of opinion on whether those refer to Jesus and Mary or not, and whether they do or not I don't care. I don't understand why you, as a Muslim, would be so upset at another religion for trashing another religion.

After all, don't you revere a prophet who went a smashed the idols of another religion?

I dont give a crap if you love israel so much and If it makes you sick , you are welcome to take an epic walk through the door and go join in another forum , as long as you come here to try to defend these satanists , i will have fun proving you wrong

Uthman is right. You need to calm down. (I read the original post before it was slightly cleaned up)

For one thing I do not "love" Israel. I do happen, though, to be friends with many Jews (and Muslims) and I can tell you that they are not evil and that they would laugh in your face if you told them their religion tells them they can deal unfairly with other people or even rob and kill someone if they aren't Jewish. Their religion teaches just the opposite.

Your problem is that you hate Israel so much that you cling on to any negative thing about Jews you can find on the internet. You want to hate Jews so badly that you want to believe their religion teaches them they can rob and kill non-Jews.

I will provide this particular link again in hopes that you read it and understand it.

Link 1

Link 2

Check out the second link then ask yourself if you really want the truth about Judaism or are you simply looking for another excuse to hate Jews. It is written by a Rabbi, not a hate group.

If I want the truth about Islam should I ask an Imam or an anti-Muslim hate group? If you want the truth about Judaism should you ask a Rabbi or trust an anti-Jewish hate group?
 
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There are differences of opinion on whether those refer to Jesus and Mary or not, and whether they do or not I don't care.

When Gossamer asked you the question earlier , you tried to be evasive
Why would you care , you have no feelings of remorse or shame whatsoever

I bet you would even enjoy your local news channel making fun of your mother as the biggest ***** in your hometown and your father as a moronic pimp

I don't understand why you, as a Muslim, would be so upset at another religion for trashing another religion.

You make no sense , Jesus is our Prophet and Mary his mother are greatly honoured in Islam.
For many muslims, we love our Prophets more than we love ourselves.
And the act of israeli media was obviously inciting hatred, and they knew 100% what they are doing.


After all, don't you revere a prophet who went a smashed the idols of another religion?

Abraham was commanded by God and he did what God told him to do and by smashing those idols he obeyed God as it only God that deserves to be worshipped and not some pieces of stone which be the fuel for the hellfire in the hereafter.

Uthman is right. You need to calm down. (I read the original post before it was slightly cleaned up)

Corrections ,its you who needs to calm down because you said you wanted to "throw up". Read your very first post , where you said

Posts like this make me want to throw up.


For one thing I do not "love" Israel.

Of course you do and thats is why you are obsessed in coming here and in defending their evil actions


I do happen, though, to be friends with many Jews (and Muslims) and I can tell you that they are not evil and that they would laugh in your face if you told them their religion tells them they can deal unfairly with other people or even rob and kill someone if they aren't Jewish

The laugh is on them , these Zionist evil Jews are the ones who attack other religion

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6953281.ece

and burn books and steal land which does not belong to them ,

You want to hate Jews so badly that you want to believe their religion teaches them they can rob and kill non-Jews.

Thats exactly what the Zionist Jews are doing to the Gentiles ( Muslims and Christians) killing them and stealing land .They are doing a holocaust of the arabs .

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine.html

They read satanic stuff like the Talmud and then their mind become satanic


According to american proverb"You are what you eat and you are what you read"

Zionist Jews drink the blood of Muslims and by reading more devilish stuff like the Talmud , the jewish mind become devilish

The Talmud may not be the Holy book like the Torah but its pretty evident from their actions that the Zionist Jews follow the teachings Talmud seriously and that pretty much confirms the generalisation of most of the Zionist Jews
 
Abraham was commanded by God and he did what God told him to do and by smashing those idols he obeyed God as it only God that deserves to be worshipped and not some pieces of stone which be the fuel for the hellfire in the hereafter.

And Jews believe that Jesus was a prophet as much as Muslims believe in those idols.

You have a double standard when it comes to respecting other religions. You demand that people treat your prophets with respect, yet honor those prophets for desecrating other peoples religions.

Zionist Jews drink the blood of Muslims

Only the Zionist Jews? I thought you are claiming that all Jews are taught that stealing and killing is part of their religion.

Jews drink Muslim blood? If you truly believe this then then you are beyond help. Your hatred is beyond reason and rationality. Good luck in life.
 
And Jews believe that Jesus was a prophet as much as Muslims believe in those idols.

If they believe then why would they make fun of the Prophet and reject him as an imposter and write **** about him in the Talmud

And you wonder why the muslims, anti-semitist white supremists and most of the world despises you..


The Bible claims that the Jews are GOD's "Chosen People".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwXy...0D3ED8AC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36

Yet, neither Moses nor Jesus nor several other Prophets liked the Jews!


The old Jewish trick about Jews received the highest number of Prophets which then makes them GOD Almighty's "Chosen People" is nothing but a deception. In fact, it is a bad thing for the Jews that GOD Almighty kept sending them Prophets who many of them ended up getting killed anyway by the Jews themselves according to the Saying of Jesus peace be upon him below. We need to know that neither Moses nor Jesus nor many of the Prophets in the Bible really liked Jews! Let us look at the following:

From Moses:

"And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites(Jews), which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee. For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death? Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. For I know that after my death ye will become utterly corrupt, and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands. (Deuteronomy 31:25-29)"

From Jeremiah:

"How can you say, 'We [The Jews] are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

From Jesus:

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"

The Jews were corrupt! They corrupted the Word of GOD Almighty. Like Jeremiah 8:8, the Noble Quran clearly states it:

"But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews ) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others). (The Noble Quran, 5:13)"

"O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. (The Noble Quran, 5:41)"

Perhaps, that is why Allah Almighty decided to end His Message/Revelations with the Arabs, the other part of the Middle Eastern society that has not been polluted and unhampered by the burden of age-old prejudicies.


No race, color or gender are chosen by GOD Almighty in Islam. Everyone is evaluated by his Good Deeds.


Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran:

"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)"

the idea of "Chosen People" is a Jewish lie that was fabricated and inserted into the Bible to make the People of Israel be the Superior over all nations. The Bible, however, admits that it got corrupted by the Jews themselves, thus making their bogus claims get flushed right down the toilet.

The Jews had corrupted the Bible:

As I mentioned above, let us look at what GOD Almighty Said to the Jews in the Bible:

"`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

The Revised Standard Version makes it even clearer: "How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But, behold, the false pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. (From the RSV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

We clearly see that the Jews had so much corrupted the Bible with their man-made cultural laws and fabrications, that they had turned the Bible into a lie! See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death. The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.


Only the Zionist Jews?
I thought you are claiming that all Jews are taught that stealing and killing is part of their religion.

I never said all Jews are taught stealing and killing , i only meant the deceptive transgressors

"Of the people of Moses (i.e., the Jews) there is a section who guide and do justice in the light of truth. (The Noble Quran, 7:159)"


The above Noble Verses clearly speak about the righteous Jews , believe in God Almighty and do righteousness and will have their Great Reward and enter Paradise.

Most of the Jews are perverted transgressors, deceiving, in some cases are hypocrites, and most of them are considered Truth rejecters! Let us look at the following Noble Verses:

"Ye [Muslims] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God. If only the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (The Noble Quran 3:110)"

Jews drink Muslim blood? If you truly believe this then then you are beyond help.

The drink is a figure of speech used to imply their massacres of the Muslims .BTW , they do have a thirst and lust for blood

http://www.answering-christianity.com/jewish_ritual_murder.htm

Your hatred is beyond reason and rationality.

And your support for the Zionists (those Perverted Transgressors which the Quran mentioned ) who are inviting their own destruction is beyond reason and rationality ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejoIgFsmqxA

May God guide you to the right path
 
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If they believe then why would they make fun of the Prophet and reject him as an imposter and write **** about him in the Talmud

Read what I said again. My point was that they don't believe he was a prophet any more than Abraham believed those idols were gods.

And you wonder why the muslims, anti-semitist white supremists and most of the world despises you..

Despise me? Who do you think I am now?

Yet, neither Moses nor Jesus nor several other Prophets liked the Jews!

This is a joke. right? You are seriously trying to convince people that Moses hated Jews? Are you that far gone into your hatred that you actually believe that, or think you can convince others to believe it? That is not any different that when your Prophet said that his people would be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one?

And your support for the Zionists (those Perverted Transgressors which the Quran mentioned ) who are inviting their own destruction is beyond reason and rationality ,

Please find one quote in which I support Zionists. I am simply clearing up lies about the Talmud.

You hate Jews and back that up by quoting the Quran and saying that your religion teaches you that most non-Muslims are "perverted transgressors" and therefore worthy of that hate.

You try and convince people that Moses and Jesus hated Jews,and then explain how your religion teaches you to hate them to? Lovely.
 
Did Jesus loved the Jews?

According to the Christians Bible, Jesus didn't.

He called them the children of the devil, and the prophets killer.

If you love someone do you call him a devil, and devil worshiper?
 
He called them the children of the devil, and the prophets killer.

Can you provide the verses in which this happened and the context?
 
Can you provide the verses in which this happened and the context?


>>>Well let's start with:



“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
 
I asked for the context and verse, but that will work I guess. John 8:44.

Read the context. He was talking to the Pharisees and was talking about anyone that did not believe what he was saying, not just Jews. Read in context I find it hard to see how one could read into this that Jesus was saying he hated Jews.

All of his disciples were Jews, as were his family. Don't you think it strange that he would select his primary followers to be people he thought were "children of the devil"?

I am not even a Christian and I find that idea absurd.
 
All of his disciples were Jews, as were his family. Don't you think it strange that he would select his primary followers to be people he thought were "children of the devil"?


>>>Good, but what about those Jews who didn;t believe in him, and killed him? Did they still the children of God?

I never meant to say he was talking to his followers, but he was talkinig to the Jews who didn:t believe him.

I am not even a Christian and I find that idea absurd.


>>>Is this what you call love:

Matt. 8:11 “I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
 
Muslims believe that everyone not a Muslim, like myself, will go to Hell, correct?

Does that mean that Allah hates Christians and Jews?

It seems you are really reaching to try and justify why other people should hate Jews like you do.
 
Muslims believe that everyone not a Muslim, like myself, will go to Hell, correct?

Does that mean that Allah hates Christians and Jews?


>>>Silly question. Turn it around abd ask any Christians were Muslim will go, and come back with an answer.

It seems you are really reaching to try and justify why other people should hate Jews like you do.

>>>God loves whoever obey him, and hates whoever disobey him, period.
 
Interesting thing that I found recently.

Father Justin Bonaventura Pranajtis.


Father Justin Bonaventura Pranajtis was born in 1861 in polish - lithuanian border. He had lithuanian roots, but he felt Pole. In 1883 he was sent to Roman Catholic Empreror's Priesthood Academy in Petersburg. In 1886 he finished study and became a priest. He was mostly studying hebraic language, he became famous hebraist. In 1895 he was forced to leave Petersburg by tsarist administration. After come back, he again became the teacher of hebraic in academy. In 1902 he left academy and became parson of Turkiestan. In 1916 father Pranajtis came to Petersburg and he got sick. He was palced in hospital. He said to his friend, father Jan Cieplak that he believes to be poisoned. Father Pranajtis began to loose weight fast and he died in 28th January 1917.

Father Pranajtis learnt 3 languages of jewish sacred books - hebrew, arameic and chaldeic. He wrote a book - "Christianus in Talmude Iudaeorum" (1892). A christian in jewish talmud. It was wrote in latin. It was translated into many languages.


The case of Bejlis.

12th March a boy Andrzej Juszczynski was murdered in Kiev, Ukraine. The suspect was jewish butcher Mendel Bejlis. The murder had all examples of ritual kill. The tsarist departament of justice chose father Pranajtis as the religious councilor. He was chose as the best expert of Talmud in Russia. Some jewish groups, knowing Pranajtis' knowledge of Talmud tried to stop father's work. First they were offering him money. Since this argument failed, father Pranajtis began to be spied. He were getting threats. The "progressive" newspapers were in****ing him.


During this campaign against father Pranajsit, even serious world players decided to involve in this case. Londoner banker Rothschild went to Vatican, H. Sliosberg to Petersburg. Despite that the case was still on in court. F. Pranajtis explained the judge even the number of ritual cuts and their kinds based on Talmud. After about 6 months of work, f. Pranajtis gave a raport. It was so shocking that the case was sudennly stopped by Petersburg administration. Banker Mendelsohn, which was asked for a loan of money to russian state, conditioned the giving of loan by discontinuance of Bejlis case . Despite this, the Kiev court decided to be honest. The final decision gave two asnwers - Was the murder a ritual? Answer - Yes. Second, was Bejlis the killer? No, not enough arguments.


The ritual murder - was hapenning always the same way - by making always same wounds to bleed the victim - child.


Many specialists say that since the ritual murder is against mainstream jewish teaching, it was an act of extreme sectarian group.


http://www.naszawitryna.pl/ksiazki_105.html

(Since you all know the language very well...:) )
 
I just read this thread (well most of it).


Titus:

Lol. You had a good run on this thread. You actually took apart every post that was made against you.

Understandably, tt's an emotionally charged topic when it comes to Jews. It's just upsetting when people are quoting HITLER and agreeing with Hitler. You did a good job ~.~
 
This seems a rather odd thread if I may say so and although it is not conclusive if you go to Wikepedia there is a picture of a set of volumes for the Talmud. If you go to Amazon which is somewhat more certain you can buy any number of books on the Talmud and copies of it or parts of it.

It is in fact a commentary and supplement to the Mishnah - a book of law and traditions and it has been around since 200ce and since it comes from an oral tradition it seems to me its anything but secret
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Muslims believe that everyone not a Muslim, like myself, will go to Hell, correct?

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Wrong again , we do not beleive that each and every non-muslim will go to hell
You exemplify the characteristics of an islam hating troll who has not truly studied the religion .

Non-Muslims who never heard the message of Islam are known as ahl al-fatrah.

God says: 'Nor would We punish until We had sent a messenger (to give warning).' [Sûrah al-Isrâ: 15]

People who have never had an opportunity to come to know about Islam will be tested by God on the Day of Judgment. Those who pass the test and obey the commands will go to Paradise and those who are disobedient will go to Hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeY6...308FD717&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=36

God knows best who has heard His message properly and rejected it and who has not done so.
The most we can say that it is obligatory for all people to accept Islam and that anyone who knowingly rejects the truth of Islam is before dying would be condemned in the Hereafter .

And , it is actually not our place to state exactly what God is going to do with each and every individual on the Day of Judgment. God is the only one who knows the hearts of people and their circumstances, and He is the only one who will sit in judgment . We must trust in Him.
 
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