The Marriage Thread

Honestly, and some of you can hate me for saying this I dont really care, some of you make marriage out to be so COMPLICATED. Its ridiculous some of the stuff said sometimes. "waaaaa why do I have to change the babies diaper all the time? waaaa why does she get to take hot showers while i shave, she fogs up the mirror! waaaaaaa why doesnt he buy me flowers? waaaaaaa why doesnt she cook like my mother!"

If you want perfection, you are in for a rude awakening, those of you who arent married. Marriage is compromise, compromise, compromise. Sometimes your husband is gonna tick you off, does that automatically mean you should get a divorce lawyer? No, but apparently thats what people resort to these days.
Maybe sometimes your wife is going to behave like a five year old little brat or a crazy banshee, should you run off and find a new one? No probably not, but it happens.

People need to RELAX and read up on WHY Allah swt intended us to be married. What a marriage in Islam stands for, what kind of marriage it should be. In this day and age its SHAMEFUL if you dont know because of the ability to get that information is at your fingertips.

So what if your husband wants you to cook and clean? Are you gonna wine about being independent and free and not his slave? Since when did cooking and cleaning for your own husband become slavery? Oh yes, yet another Western idea planted by the wonderful feminists who think being barefoot and pregnant is a bad thing. Well news flash, in Islam it isnt. In Islam, cooking a wonderful meal for your husband and him coming home to a clean comfortable home that you worked hard to make so is rewarding for you both and for your marriage.
Scenario: Bob comes home to Sally. Sally sat on the computer all day writing about how she feels trapped and how she wishes Bob would do the dishes. The house is messy, dishes are dirty, it smells bad and theres a baloney sandwich waiting for him. Bob has just come home from a day at work and this is what he finds. Bob is angry with Sally and ticked off in general so therefore even if he intended to help her with the dishes now he wont. Sally and Bob get into yet another argument. Marriage goes down the drain because people are so gosh darn stubborn these days and its all about ME ME ME ME ME, not US.

Heres another scenario so some of the ladies dont flip their lids:
Mary got the kids up and ready for school. Went to work herself, came home exhausted and still made dinner. While making dinner, little Bobby needs a diaper change. Tom, her husband, wont get up off the couch and either finish dinner or go change Bobby. Mary starts an argument rather than communicating her dissatisfaction with Toms behavior in a respectful way that doesnt demean him as a man and as her husband. Tom, who probably would have gotten up to help her, now is angry and starts yelling back at Mary. Marriage goes down the drain, and little Bobby still has a dirty diaper.




Is it clear yet? No? Ok Ill keep going on this tirade of aggravation.
If you go into a marriage thinking HE HAS TO DO THIS, or she HAS to do that, get real. Its not going to happen like that. You have to be willing to work TOGETHER. A married couple are like to pieces of a SINGLE PERSON. What do the body parts and organs do in a person? Work together to keep the body in working order! What happens if one kidney dies or gets so weak it cant do much? The other kidney works over time and eventually dies out too.
Same thing in a marriage, if one person is pulling all the weight eventually the marriage will fall apart.

You cant expect a MAN to listen to whining, nagging, yelling, insults, jabs, rants, raves, tirades, etc and expect him to change. He wont. Disrespect is a HUGE problem these days. People talk to their spouses like its their property, not their loved one and its disgusting. If you want something in your marriage to change, you have to do it with honey, not with vinegar. A man wants respect. There is nothing wrong with giving a man respect. If you respect him, he will feel confident and happy. When he feels confident and happy, you will be treated respectfully and you will be happy.
To the stubborn people who say "Oh why do I have to respect him first? waaaaaaaaa" (read with a 5 year old whiny voice) TAKE THE FIRST STEP if you have to. There is nothing wrong with being the first one to be respectful. Nothing at all. Pride is a major sin, get over yourself and do what you should be doing.


Ill end with the model marriage:
Syrian couple that lives in my neighborhood. Husband is a doctor who makes a huge effort to make it home by 5 p.m. They prepare dinner together if he makes it home on time, if he doesnt, she doesnt get upset. She prepares it herself. The children help her set the table or sometimes he does if he isnt too tired. They eat the meal and ask each other about their days. After dinner, depending on who decides they want to help the table is cleared either by the children, or by the parents together. Sometimes she does it herself, while the husband goes to clean up or sit with the children. They sometimes do the dishes together or one of them does it alone. Do they get fussy with eachother over it? No. Sometimes she is too tired and asks him if she can go lay down for a bit and if he minds, he is glad to let her rest and takes the reigns.
How do I know they are like this? Ive know them for years. Spent so many evenings at their house. My youngest brother has gone there so many times I cant even remember and says they are such a wonderful family. That is how things should be. Working together, but not getting upset over the silliest things.


avavav....im giving this thread a rest. Makes my blood boil when I read some of the ridiculous thins people complain about.
 
I'd like a restaurant overlooking scenery as well. :ermm: But those are way too expensive here. Or so I think. Plus, it's hard to find places which have separate areas so you could perform purdah, ya know? But wow, masha'Allah. That sounds quite affordable and nice. :thumbsup:

What is Purdah?

but this really wasnt expensive at all. and most restraunts will cut you a deal just pick the menu in advance. go to a small romantic mom and pop restraunt and they can really make it beautiful instead of some stupid extragant restraunt... the place i went is not some ritzy place its just a nice quiet beautiful restaraunt where not a lot of people go.

I would spend as much as it costs to purchase a golden diamond ring, I guess. lol, I haven't really put much thought into that, to be honest. Actually, I haven't put any thought at all!
be careful with this one... some girls dont wear yellow gold. all my jewlery is white gold or plantium.

I personally don't want a ring. Or maybe just a silver one, because I think it looks cool. No gems or anything on it though. Actually, no, I don't want one at all.

but you have to have something. a ring has not end it was started to signafy there is no end to a marriage it goes on forever. and you make make a gal mighty mad if you didnt want to wear a ring....

Is the culture the same everywhere else when it comes to engagement rings? And then the wedding rings? Im not sure what you mean my husband and i both wear rings... although we wear them on the right hand.

For the sisters : what's your ideal engagement ring would be, in terms of price?
I have my ideal ring... i have a 2.5 ct. princess cut in 18k white gold (flawless vvs & E grade) with matching band. i love my ring. :-)


I found out that there's cubic zirconia that is the 'second grade' of diamonds which costs a lot less and well, apparently, to produce it - they do not use child labour. So I was wondering, if there is any sister out there that wouldn't mind going for that instead of real diamond?
not a chance.... never, wouldnt happen, no way no how, not even one fraction of thought about it in my mind.

I, for one, wouldn't mind at all for I think at the end of the day .. all the material things you have in life, you can't bring them with you into the grave so why spend a lot on them?
this ring will never leave my little finger... never never never.

That raises another question. How well does it work out to marry someone from another race? There's a language and culture barrier, among other aspects.
It depends. yes there are differences. first my husband and i have a great relationship dont get me wrong but there have been plenty of times we have both got upset because what is funny or cute or whatever in one language doesnt nessarrily translate well.

I dont think its an issue but it does take paitence i dont know how many times we had to talk later just to calm down a bit and then we relized we were both being silly because we just didnt understand something or it wasnt funny in the other langauge or a slang in english isnt funny if someone doesnt understand the reference or whatever whatever

but everyday we learn something new and as time goes on we understand each other better and better so when somethign doesnt come out quite the way we intended its not a bother.

what really matters is the level of commitment to the relationship and how much the people love each other.


I have to be honest, I am so scared I wont be able to find a muslim albanian man to marry. It is silly at the same time as realistic. I dont live in an area where there are that many albanians, and the most of the albanians that i do run into are either christians or secular muslims and its such a shame. I have some religious cousins who are keeping an eye out for someone but then what if we dont hit it off?

So far I have met two albanian men who practice Islam. One of them I had nothing at all in common with. The other my father didnt approve of because of rumors of the type of business he has, which I was never told about but I trust my fathers judgement.


Ugh...so frustrating that I have my options limited by culture. I know some of you will go on the offensive and go off on tirades about how foolish that is, but its a reality for many people. I know many Pakistani girls who wouldnt dare marry non pakistani men.
Personally, even if my parents did let me marry outside my culture I dont think I could because I am so immersed in it. Every fiber of my being is Albanian-Muslim. As badly as I want my kids to grow up pious, I also want them to grow up very Albanian.

I probably sound silly by now oh well

its not silly and you will find Mr. right when your ready. :statisfie (God willing)
 
You won't believe this, but I know of a sign someone put up in a masjid. "Brother looking for marriage. Wanted: Salma Hayek in Hijaab".


ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... i think thats just about most men!

imsadimsadimsad
:cry::cry::cry: we all cant be salma hayek :cry::cry::cry:
imsadimsadimsad
 
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Honestly, and some of you can hate me for saying this I dont really care, some of you make marriage out to be so COMPLICATED. Its ridiculous some of the stuff said sometimes. "waaaaa why do I have to change the babies diaper all the time? waaaa why does she get to take hot showers while i shave, she fogs up the mirror! waaaaaaa why doesnt he buy me flowers? waaaaaaa why doesnt she cook like my mother!"

If you want perfection, you are in for a rude awakening, those of you who arent married. Marriage is compromise, compromise, compromise. Sometimes your husband is gonna tick you off, does that automatically mean you should get a divorce lawyer? No, but apparently thats what people resort to these days.
Maybe sometimes your wife is going to behave like a five year old little brat or a crazy banshee, should you run off and find a new one? No probably not, but it happens.

People need to RELAX and read up on WHY Allah swt intended us to be married. What a marriage in Islam stands for, what kind of marriage it should be. In this day and age its SHAMEFUL if you dont know because of the ability to get that information is at your fingertips.

So what if your husband wants you to cook and clean? Are you gonna wine about being independent and free and not his slave? Since when did cooking and cleaning for your own husband become slavery? Oh yes, yet another Western idea planted by the wonderful feminists who think being barefoot and pregnant is a bad thing. Well news flash, in Islam it isnt. In Islam, cooking a wonderful meal for your husband and him coming home to a clean comfortable home that you worked hard to make so is rewarding for you both and for your marriage.
Scenario: Bob comes home to Sally. Sally sat on the computer all day writing about how she feels trapped and how she wishes Bob would do the dishes. The house is messy, dishes are dirty, it smells bad and theres a baloney sandwich waiting for him. Bob has just come home from a day at work and this is what he finds. Bob is angry with Sally and ticked off in general so therefore even if he intended to help her with the dishes now he wont. Sally and Bob get into yet another argument. Marriage goes down the drain because people are so gosh darn stubborn these days and its all about ME ME ME ME ME, not US.

Heres another scenario so some of the ladies dont flip their lids:
Mary got the kids up and ready for school. Went to work herself, came home exhausted and still made dinner. While making dinner, little Bobby needs a diaper change. Tom, her husband, wont get up off the couch and either finish dinner or go change Bobby. Mary starts an argument rather than communicating her dissatisfaction with Toms behavior in a respectful way that doesnt demean him as a man and as her husband. Tom, who probably would have gotten up to help her, now is angry and starts yelling back at Mary. Marriage goes down the drain, and little Bobby still has a dirty diaper.




Is it clear yet? No? Ok Ill keep going on this tirade of aggravation.
If you go into a marriage thinking HE HAS TO DO THIS, or she HAS to do that, get real. Its not going to happen like that. You have to be willing to work TOGETHER. A married couple are like to pieces of a SINGLE PERSON. What do the body parts and organs do in a person? Work together to keep the body in working order! What happens if one kidney dies or gets so weak it cant do much? The other kidney works over time and eventually dies out too.
Same thing in a marriage, if one person is pulling all the weight eventually the marriage will fall apart.

You cant expect a MAN to listen to whining, nagging, yelling, insults, jabs, rants, raves, tirades, etc and expect him to change. He wont. Disrespect is a HUGE problem these days. People talk to their spouses like its their property, not their loved one and its disgusting. If you want something in your marriage to change, you have to do it with honey, not with vinegar. A man wants respect. There is nothing wrong with giving a man respect. If you respect him, he will feel confident and happy. When he feels confident and happy, you will be treated respectfully and you will be happy.
To the stubborn people who say "Oh why do I have to respect him first? waaaaaaaaa" (read with a 5 year old whiny voice) TAKE THE FIRST STEP if you have to. There is nothing wrong with being the first one to be respectful. Nothing at all. Pride is a major sin, get over yourself and do what you should be doing.


Ill end with the model marriage:
Syrian couple that lives in my neighborhood. Husband is a doctor who makes a huge effort to make it home by 5 p.m. They prepare dinner together if he makes it home on time, if he doesnt, she doesnt get upset. She prepares it herself. The children help her set the table or sometimes he does if he isnt too tired. They eat the meal and ask each other about their days. After dinner, depending on who decides they want to help the table is cleared either by the children, or by the parents together. Sometimes she does it herself, while the husband goes to clean up or sit with the children. They sometimes do the dishes together or one of them does it alone. Do they get fussy with eachother over it? No. Sometimes she is too tired and asks him if she can go lay down for a bit and if he minds, he is glad to let her rest and takes the reigns.
How do I know they are like this? Ive know them for years. Spent so many evenings at their house. My youngest brother has gone there so many times I cant even remember and says they are such a wonderful family. That is how things should be. Working together, but not getting upset over the silliest things.


avavav....im giving this thread a rest. Makes my blood boil when I read some of the ridiculous thins people complain about.

THIS IS THE BEST POST I'VE EVER READ HERE!

Absolutely right and spot on!

The model marriage is exactly like my 2nd bro's and 3rd bro's marriage.
 
Your totally right....I wish I could suprise my wife with a meal i prepared one dayimsad But i really stink at cooking, I never had to cook for myself, I am good at cleaning and doing dishes....but men in my family are never made to cook.

It would be nice to do that for my wife. I know she would appreciate it. Sometimes she cooks for so long in a day, she doesn't take the time to eat herself! I asked her the other day before we went to sleep what she ate...and she said "I was to busy, i forgot to" I would be soooo cool to make her dinner by myself:statisfie you know....without unpacking it from a resteruant;D

That could be like our IB mission: teach ItalianDude how to cook!
Come on brother don't you even know how to make Lasagna?
Its delicious and easy to make. And your Italian, maybe its in your genes??

And AlbanianMuslim, Thanx for refreshing our memories. :)
 
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Yeah I was wondering..How important is it for a man for his wife to be able to cook good food? Like could it be a reason for him to refuse marrying her??
Was wondering that for quite a while. :)

Haha. I think it's not so important. If my wife can't prepare decent food, it would not bother me much, as i can cook (barely) and i enjoy it. But it would be nice for the wife to make you a meal sometime, if you are the "cook" of the house.
 
I had another question I was thinking about. Do brothers mind if their wife was a little bit childish or naieve or so?? Like would that be a reason to refuse marrying her? You know since she has to grow a thick skin to handle being married and all the stuff that comes with that, bringing up children and stuff.

Sorry AlbanianMuslim, did read your whole post though and agree with it, if that counts:)
Knew about the compromising stuff btw same as at home only have to deal with one person.
Only more important stuff to compromise about then who gets to use the bathroom next.:D
 
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Reading this thread got me thinking ...

In Islam, there is no such thing as taking a husband's name, right? So what does it mean when a Muslim woman take his husband's name? Is that a sin?

I know some of my lady friends that do that and it's beyond my comprehension as to why they would want to use their husband's name as it isn't Islamic? Or am I wrong?
 
Thanks!

Um had to reply to the cubic zirconia thing. No way, those tarnish and get scratched very easy. They wouldnt last more than a few months on my hands because I used them a lot ..cleaning, baking, etc.

If you cant afford a diamond, get a colored stone like a Ruby or Saphire until you cant afford a diamond. Then save up for a real diamond.
Really in the end, a diamond is just a diamond. A girl can have the hugest rock but be dreadfully unhappy in her marriage so dont put too much emphasis on the rock.
 
★ηαѕιнα★;1296964 said:
I had another question I was thinking about. Do brothers mind if their wife was a little bit childish or naieve or so?? Like would that be a reason to refuse marrying her? You know since she has to grow a thick skin to handle being married and all the stuff that comes with that, bringing up children and stuff.

Sorry AlbanianMuslim, did read your whole post though and agree with it, if that counts:)
Knew about the compromising stuff btw same as at home only have to deal with one person.
Only more important stuff to compromise about then who gets to use the bathroom next.:D

I would love my wife to be childish and jokey but within the limits for me it means we can joke all the time and when we're angry it would be easy to make light of the situation

i wouldnt wanna be all jokey and she's got her nostrils flared up and her eyes are about to bulge out like she's in high altitudes of anger and irritation.............i would be very heartbroken but i wouldnt show it :(

http://baseballsnatcher.mlblogs.com/bulging eyes.jpg
 
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I had another question I was thinking about. Do brothers mind if their wife was a little bit childish or naieve or so?? Like would that be a reason to refuse marrying her? You know since she has to grow a thick skin to handle being married and all the stuff that comes with that, bringing up children and stuff.

Sometimes for women who marry somewhat young or young its a given that they will have a certain level of naiveté. Marriage will either mold them into someone more mature or they just might end up back at mommy and daddys.

I think if you go into a marriage willing to learn it is best. Even the smartest most mature person will have to learn a thing or two when they get married. My mom has been married 25 years and she still says she learns new things even today about how to be a better wife.
My dad was extremely difficult in the beginning of their marriage. He wasnt pious, he was easily angered, etc etc
After a few years he began to see the effort she was making and eased up. Eventually he became more and more pious alhamdullah and now he prays 5 times a day and all that other good stuff. They are more in love than ever.
So it goes to show, having someone pious will probably (of course not always) lead to a healthier marriage because of the wonderful feeling a person gets when they pray and give zakat. My dad turned into such a wonderful person once he started to pray.
 
Thanks!

Um had to reply to the cubic zirconia thing. No way, those tarnish and get scratched very easy. They wouldnt last more than a few months on my hands because I used them a lot ..cleaning, baking, etc.

If you cant afford a diamond, get a colored stone like a Ruby or Saphire until you cant afford a diamond. Then save up for a real diamond.
Really in the end, a diamond is just a diamond. A girl can have the hugest rock but be dreadfully unhappy in her marriage so dont put too much emphasis on the rock.

Honestly, I was thinking of cubic zirconia because it doesn't use child labour :D and also, I don't see why my future husband should spend so much on a ring.

I'm in between actually, and I'm sure when the time comes ... we'll make a decision although according to him, he'd prefer real diamond cause he only wants the best for me. As long as the diamond isn't the first thing you see from afar, then it's fine by me! LOL.

That said, a woman's finger was chopped due to her diamond ring. Can you imagine if it weren't real diamond?? imsad
 
Lol oh gosh...thats why you should always take your ring off if your fingers are getting swollen!

Cubic zirconia looks good. Theres even this type of rock called "diamonique" that supposedly is even better but I still wouldnt.

If you want a diamond that hasnt been put through child labor and a war zone you should get a "conflict free" diamond. A lot of jewlers have their diamonds certified although they might be a bit more expensive Im not sure.

Many jewlers have monthly plans. You put a down payment and pay it off month by month. You should also look into sales and other things. In the end I would totally recommend getting a sapphire or something. I think the late Princess Diana had a sapphire.
Myself, I wont even mind if there is no rock at all in the begining as long as he is right for me. I can save up for a ring with him.
 
Lol oh gosh...thats why you should always take your ring off if your fingers are getting swollen!

Cubic zirconia looks good. Theres even this type of rock called "diamonique" that supposedly is even better but I still wouldnt.

If you want a diamond that hasnt been put through child labor and a war zone you should get a "conflict free" diamond. A lot of jewlers have their diamonds certified although they might be a bit more expensive Im not sure.

Many jewlers have monthly plans. You put a down payment and pay it off month by month. You should also look into sales and other things. In the end I would totally recommend getting a sapphire or something. I think the late Princess Diana had a sapphire.
Myself, I wont even mind if there is no rock at all in the begining as long as he is right for me. I can save up for a ring with him.

LOL - yes! I have a platinum ring with a small stone that I bought for myself and I wear it every day but take it off whenever I am at home as I have to do house chores and what not. So I think it's a good practise in case I get a real diamond right :P

Sapphire is good too. I love the colour and it's something I would not mind wearing. As I have stated before, at the end of the day it's not something you can take with you. I would love to get something nice and practical so that I can turn it into a heirloom. Oh and Sapphire is my birth stone!!

Reading this thread got me thinking ...

In Islam, there is no such thing as taking a husband's name, right? So what does it mean when a Muslim woman take his husband's name? Is that a sin?

I know some of my lady friends that do that and it's beyond my comprehension as to why they would want to use their husband's name as it isn't Islamic? Or am I wrong?

Anyone has thoughts on this?
 
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For legal reasons its practical to either take his name or not take his name.
If you do take his name, and you are in a place like the U.S. for example, much more practical to take his name because of tax cuts and other benefits.

Its why the homosexuals want to have legal marriage so bad over here, when you are married in the U.S. and legally recognized you get all sorts of benefits.
 
For legal reasons its practical to either take his name or not take his name.
If you do take his name, and you are in a place like the U.S. for example, much more practical to take his name because of tax cuts and other benefits.

Its why the homosexuals want to have legal marriage so bad over here, when you are married in the U.S. and legally recognized you get all sorts of benefits.

Thanks for your reply.

I know for legal purposes it is practical but is it Islamic? Where I am, we don't do that but there are some that do. It's kinda confusing.

On another forum, most do not agree in taking the husband's name as it will get pretty tricky if the marriage does not work out. The thought of changing it back to your name is a hassle and what-not. That is understandable but why do it in the first place, ya know?
 
Good question. Im not sure. In my culture we have always taken it but kept our own.

So if my last name was Smith, and then i married someone with the last name Johnson, people would call me Mrs.Smith-Johnson in my community. That way we know which family the bride came from.
We also take our fathers first name as our middle name (not officially tho)

So my dad name lets say he is Bob, people will know me as Mira Bob Smith Johnson...in the albanian community that is. So that way they know I am Bob Smiths daughter from the Smith family but now married into the Johnson family.
It sounds more complicated than it really is lol

So yea I dont know about islamically but culturally in my community we take the name for practical purposes and for knowing who married where.
 
Good question. Im not sure. In my culture we have always taken it but kept our own.

So if my last name was Smith, and then i married someone with the last name Johnson, people would call me Mrs.Smith-Johnson in my community. That way we know which family the bride came from.
We also take our fathers first name as our middle name (not officially tho)

So my dad name lets say he is Bob, people will know me as Mira Bob Smith Johnson...in the albanian community that is. So that way they know I am Bob Smiths daughter from the Smith family but now married into the Johnson family.
It sounds more complicated than it really is lol

So yea I dont know about islamically but culturally in my community we take the name for practical purposes and for knowing who married where.

LOL, My wife took my last name as well, you should see the faces on other people when she introduces herself with an extremelly Indian first name and an extremly Italian last name;D
 

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