Besides, it wasn't the order of Abu Bakr "the first caliph" (really!!), it was Omar's (r.a.) idea and he was the one who convinced abu bakr(r.a.) to do that.
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Besides, it wasn't the order of Abu Bakr "the first caliph" (really!!), it was Omar's (r.a.) idea and he was the one who convinced abu bakr(r.a.) to do that.
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and Abu Bakr(ra), Omar ibn Khattab (ra), Uthaman Ibn Affen (ra), Zadi Ibn Thabit (ra), Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) and many more were close companions of the porphet who learnt from the prophet and memorzied the Quran from him.
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and Abu Bakr(ra), Omar ibn Khattab (ra), Uthaman Ibn Affen (ra), Zadi Ibn Thabit (ra), Ali ibn abi Talib (ra) and many more were close companions of the porphet who learnt from the prophet and memorzied the Quran from him.
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The Qur'aan was compiled and preserved in 3 stages:
1) During the lifetime of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam)
2) During the caliphate of Abu Bakr (radiyallahu 'anhu)
3) During the caliphate of 'Uthmaan (radiyallahu 'anhu)
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1) During the lifetime of the Prophet
We know that the Prophet was unlettered (could not read nor write) and he was sent to an unlettered nation; which is a miracle itself, since an unlettered man came with such a glorious and eloquent Qur'aan!
The fact that the Arabs were generally unlettered people meant they had v. strong memories and were known for this. Many of the companions would memorise the Qur'aan after it was revealed. This was the primary method of preservation!
The Prophet also ordered various scribes to write down the Qur'aan on parchments etc. This was secondary method of preservation. The written copy was kept under the supervision of Abu Bakr, then after his death, it was handed to 'Umar.
We also know that the Prophet would recite the Qur'aan every year to the Angel Jibreel, who would recite it back to him. In the final year, it was recited twice.
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2) During the caliphate of Abu Bakr
During the caliphate of Abu Bakr, many of the companions who memorised the Qur'aan, passed away in the Battle of Yamaamah. This led to 'Umar suggesting that the Qur'aan be compiled in book form, since he was scared it may lead to the loss of the Qur'aan itself.
Abu Bakr initially refused, but then eventually agreed and asked Zayd ibn Thaabit to lead this project (he was one of the scribes of the Qur'aan). He also intially refused but he headed this initiative; with the utmost care and rigour. And the Qur'aan was compiled for the first time in the book form; between two covers.
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3) During the caliphate of 'Uthmaan
During 'Uthmaan's caliphate, the Islamic empire had expanded and encompassed Egypt, Syria, Persia etc. Many Muslims differed over recitation; believing one recitation of the Qur'aan was superior to another, and so Hudayfah (one of the comapnions) suggested to 'Uthmaan, that he do something about this.
So 'Uthmaan sought advice from other companions, and they decided the best course of action would be to distribute official copies of the Qur'aan, and destroy others. This was consensus amongst the companions so it was binding on the Muslims.
So Zayd, was again tasked with heading this project, along with 3 other prominent companions from the tribe of Quraysh; and they scribed these copies.
Each copy was sent to every province with an official reciter, to teach the people so there would be no further confusion. I think there 5 copies. Every mushaf (copy of the Qur'aan) written after this had to conform to the copies of 'Uthmaan.
The purpose of 'Uthmaan's compilation was for correction!
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Thats a short summary of how the Qur'aan has been compiled and preserved till this day! No alteration or anything like that.
And Allah knows best!
The Qur'aan was compiled and preserved in 3 stages:
1) During the lifetime of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam)
2) During the caliphate of Abu Bakr (radiyallahu 'anhu)
3) During the caliphate of 'Uthmaan (radiyallahu 'anhu)
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1) During the lifetime of the Prophet
We know that the Prophet was unlettered (could not read nor write) and he was sent to an unlettered nation; which is a miracle itself, since an unlettered man came with such a glorious and eloquent Qur'aan!
The fact that the Arabs were generally unlettered people meant they had v. strong memories and were known for this. Many of the companions would memorise the Qur'aan after it was revealed. This was the primary method of preservation!
The Prophet also ordered various scribes to write down the Qur'aan on parchments etc. This was secondary method of preservation. The written copy was kept under the supervision of Abu Bakr, then after his death, it was handed to 'Umar.
We also know that the Prophet would recite the Qur'aan every year to the Angel Jibreel, who would recite it back to him. In the final year, it was recited twice.
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2) During the caliphate of Abu Bakr
During the caliphate of Abu Bakr, many of the companions who memorised the Qur'aan, passed away in the Battle of Yamaamah. This led to 'Umar suggesting that the Qur'aan be compiled in book form, since he was scared it may lead to the loss of the Qur'aan itself.
Abu Bakr initially refused, but then eventually agreed and asked Zayd ibn Thaabit to lead this project (he was one of the scribes of the Qur'aan). He also intially refused but he headed this initiative; with the utmost care and rigour. And the Qur'aan was compiled for the first time in the book form; between two covers.
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3) During the caliphate of 'Uthmaan
During 'Uthmaan's caliphate, the Islamic empire had expanded and encompassed Egypt, Syria, Persia etc. Many Muslims differed over recitation; believing one recitation of the Qur'aan was superior to another, and so Hudayfah (one of the comapnions) suggested to 'Uthmaan, that he do something about this.
So 'Uthmaan sought advice from other companions, and they decided the best course of action would be to distribute official copies of the Qur'aan, and destroy others. This was consensus amongst the companions so it was binding on the Muslims.
So Zayd, was again tasked with heading this project, along with 3 other prominent companions from the tribe of Quraysh; and they scribed these copies.
Each copy was sent to every province with an official reciter, to teach the people so there would be no further confusion. I think there 5 copies. Every mushaf (copy of the Qur'aan) written after this had to conform to the copies of 'Uthmaan.
The purpose of 'Uthmaan's compilation was for correction!
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Thats a short summary of how the Qur'aan has been compiled and preserved till this day! No alteration or anything like that.
And Allah knows best!
Its not very islamic of you antikaratekid to judge me, any even if i was a missionary what would be the harm in wanting you understand Islam by me asking questions.
You really should show more religious tolerance, rather than judge people.
Why did the prophet not comission to have the relevations put into one book.
Rationality says that the quran should be in chronological order, but this is not the case.
Another question is if the prophet could not read, how was he able to read the first revelation in the cave??
Rather than attack member of the forum lets try to be mature about this.
You really should show more religious tolerance, rather than judge people.
Why did the prophet not comission to have the relevations put into one book.
Rationality says that the quran should be in chronological order, but this is not the case.
Another question is if the prophet could not read, how was he able to read the first revelation in the cave??
Rather than attack member of the forum lets try to be mature about this.
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1 - the Quran is non linear book - It does actually have a structure - Its not a a book by a man - its the word of God. Rationality doesnt say that the Quran "should be in chronological order"
2 - The prophet RECITED the Quran - Iqra can mean to read or recite.
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Why is that so?
The Qur'aan was not revealed according to the mandates of human logic and order; rather it was due to the decree of Allaah!
The order which the Qur'aan is in today, was the same order in which the Qur'aan was recited by the Prophet, and the order in which the angel Jibreel recited it back to him.
Firstly, there's a difference of opinion regarding whther the Prophet could read or write anyway; it seems he couldnt for the most part, but on some occasions, Allaah gave him the ability.
But that is all besides the point becuase there was no 'reading' involved in the Cave of Hira anyway. The angel Jibreel appeared, and asked the Prophet to read. I Prophet replied he cannot read ... and you can read upon on the incident.
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^ yes it does.
Brothers Saif and Zafran, I believe it's a waste of time.
And sol just admit that youre not a muslim and be honest, your ignorance about basic issues is quiet obvious.
thank you Saifur-Rahmaan,
However it is still widely acknowledged that the quran was compiled after the prophets death and parts were re arranged.
example....
Sura 2, verse 281:
'And fear the day when ye shall be brought back to God. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned and none shall be dealt with unjustly.'
Some also say that it was 2:282 or 2:278. [Kamal, Ahmad 'Adil: 'ulum al-Qur'an, Cairo, 1974, p.18.]
It has also been suggested that all three verses were revealed on one occasion. The Prophet died nine nights after the last revelation.
Others hold that Sura 5:4 was the last to be revealed:
'This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.'
The opinion that this verse was the last revelation is not sound according to many scholars, since it was revealed during the last pilgrimage of the Prophet. This information is based upon a hadith from 'Umar. Suyuti explains concerning the verse in Sura 5 that after it nothing concerning ahkam and hal'al and haram was revealed, and in this sense it is the 'completion' of religion. However, revelation reminding man of the coming day of judgement continued and the last such revelation is the above verse. [Sabuni, tibyan pp. 18-9]
Lets us not forget the quran is open to interpretation.
However it is still widely acknowledged that the quran was compiled after the prophets death and parts were re arranged.
example....
Sura 2, verse 281:
'And fear the day when ye shall be brought back to God. Then shall every soul be paid what it earned and none shall be dealt with unjustly.'
Some also say that it was 2:282 or 2:278. [Kamal, Ahmad 'Adil: 'ulum al-Qur'an, Cairo, 1974, p.18.]
It has also been suggested that all three verses were revealed on one occasion. The Prophet died nine nights after the last revelation.
Others hold that Sura 5:4 was the last to be revealed:
'This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.'
The opinion that this verse was the last revelation is not sound according to many scholars, since it was revealed during the last pilgrimage of the Prophet. This information is based upon a hadith from 'Umar. Suyuti explains concerning the verse in Sura 5 that after it nothing concerning ahkam and hal'al and haram was revealed, and in this sense it is the 'completion' of religion. However, revelation reminding man of the coming day of judgement continued and the last such revelation is the above verse. [Sabuni, tibyan pp. 18-9]
Lets us not forget the quran is open to interpretation.
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One word - BOGUS
watch this lecture by Hamza Yusuf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYwvgXOU1e4&feature=PlayList&p=217292E9C7BBB478&index=0
It tells you how the Quran was complied.
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How does the order of the revealed verses say anything about it being compiled after his death?
Nice copy and pasting Soloqi but you left out this part.
However, revelation reminding man of the coming Day of Judgment continued and the last such revelation is the above verse. Al-Sabuni, , pp. 18-9, from Ahmed Denffer, Ulumul Quran.
Keep trying missionary. The Quran not as open to interpretation as the Bible which has spawned thousands of sects. Moreover, different interpretations don't vary too much at all, as far as the root tenets of faith go.
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The quran is oral sayings written down, every quran is the same and there are two surviving copies of the original books, one i believe is in turkey.
Go there and look for yourself it will be there,or just use the one you have at home and the same suras will be there as well..take a look...please..
Go there and look for yourself it will be there,or just use the one you have at home and the same suras will be there as well..take a look...please..
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What does that even have to do with your "point"?
Moreover how can you call yourself a Muslim and say the Quran has been incomplete or what have you when Allah clearly says
We have revealed the Reminder and We have taken upon ourselves the duty of preserving it intact. (Al-Hijr 15:9)
Again, keep trying missionary.
Revelations the prophet gave us were later compiled to make the quran. why was this done after the prophet died, Or why did the prophet not arrange before he died????
Just answer my question,
Is very unislamic to call a brother of the faith, anything otherwise, but may Allah forgive your narrow mindedness.
Just answer my question,
Is very unislamic to call a brother of the faith, anything otherwise, but may Allah forgive your narrow mindedness.
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No offence but you just quoted a lot of Garbage from terrible sources - before - its made us question your credibilty.
all muslims know that the Quran was not "re arranged" - its exactly the way the prophet recited the Quran from Jibreel (as).
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actually if you simply browse this forum, you'd see that all the revelations were written down during the time of the prophet copies were made and a hafith to teach in far regions after death..
in fact page one of this very thread goes into quite the extensive details, properly sourced and with manuscript pictures..
pls read or use the search feature before you type things that are easily refuted!
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in fact page one of this very thread goes into quite the extensive details, properly sourced and with manuscript pictures..
pls read or use the search feature before you type things that are easily refuted!
all the best
Having read the thread and still not given a rational answer i would like to gain more understanding.
Am i first to believe the first revelation was: sura 1
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Correct.
Earlier i was told by ZAFRAN
'all muslims know that the Quran was not "re arranged" - its exactly the way the prophet recited the Quran from Jibreel '
I was taught at regents park mosque in london and told the angel Jibreel squeezed the prophet and told him to read,
Gabriel repeated, "Recite in the Name of Your Lord Who created. He created the human being from a clot. Recite and your Lord is Most Honorable, Who taught (to write) with the pen, taught the human being what he knew not..." Holy Quran (Alaq 96: 1-5)
Why is this not in the early parts of the quran rather than near the end. there a 114 suras and this above event happend very early one during early stages of islam.
Could you help clear up my misunderstanding.
Am i first to believe the first revelation was: sura 1
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. Correct.
Earlier i was told by ZAFRAN
'all muslims know that the Quran was not "re arranged" - its exactly the way the prophet recited the Quran from Jibreel '
I was taught at regents park mosque in london and told the angel Jibreel squeezed the prophet and told him to read,
Gabriel repeated, "Recite in the Name of Your Lord Who created. He created the human being from a clot. Recite and your Lord is Most Honorable, Who taught (to write) with the pen, taught the human being what he knew not..." Holy Quran (Alaq 96: 1-5)
Why is this not in the early parts of the quran rather than near the end. there a 114 suras and this above event happend very early one during early stages of islam.
Could you help clear up my misunderstanding.
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How the Qur’an Was Collected in the Current Order
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The Qur'an was revealed in the form of separate verses upon Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). It was only at the time of the Caliph `Uthman Ibn `Affan (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Qur'an was collected in the order it is today. Can you please elaborate on who decided the current order of the Qur'an (I mean the order of the verses and the surahs (chapters) in the present form)? Can you also mention how it was all done? May Allah reward you for the service you are providing!
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05/Jun/2002
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Answer
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.
Dear brother in Islam, it give us great pleasure to receive your question. We seize the opportunity to implore Allah from the depths of our hearts to lead all the perplexed youth to the light of Islam, His true religion.
With regard to your question, Sheikh `Abdul-Majeed Subh, a prominent Azharite scholar, answers:
“The Glorious Qur'an was revealed gradually within a period of 23 years of Prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) outstanding life. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered his Companions to observe the order of the Qur'anic surahs. `Uthmaan Ibn `Affaan (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated: "Sometimes, several surahs were revealed to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). When anything was revealed to him, he would call on one of his scribes and say: 'Insert this into the surahs where there is such and such.' When some verses were revealed, he would say: 'Insert these verses into the surahs in which there is such and such.' When a single verse was revealed, he would say: 'Insert this verse into the surahs in which there is such and such.’ " (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, and At-Tirmidhi)
There is another Hadith that is more worthy-mentioning here. It reads: “Allah's Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) told `Uthman Ibn Abu Al-`As: ‘Jibril (Gabriel) (peace and blessings be upon him) came (to me) and ordered me to insert this verse into this position of these surahs. The verse reads: ‘Lo! Allah enjoineth justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbiddeth lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorteth you in order that ye may take heed’. (An-Nahl: 90)” (Reported by Imam Ahmad)
The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) recited the Glorious Qur'an before his honorable Companions in this very order. Consequently, the Companions committed it to their hearts in this order. Arch-angel Gabriel (peace be upon him) used to recite the Qur'an before Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) once a year and twice at the year of his death.
Muslim scholars have unanimously agreed on that the arrangement of every verse in the Qur'an is tawqifi (i.e. something that has come to us from Almighty Allah through Divine revelation) and is not left to humans or even Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to decide. This is applicable to the order of surahs in the copy of the Glorious Qur'an. Consequently, the majority of scholars consider it makruh (detestable act) to recite the Qur'an starting from the final-positioned surahs.
Historically speaking, Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (may Allah be pleased with him) was the one who actually collected all surahs of the Qur'an into one mus-haf (book compiling all the scripts of the various surahs of the Qur'an). Afterwards, `Uthman Ibn `Affan (may Allah be pleased with him) made more than one copy of what has been collected by Abu Bakr and sent them all over the Islamic territories. Thus, arranging the Glorious Qur'an has been done during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and during the Rightly-guided Caliphs' eras while thousands of Companions were still alive and witnessing the whole issue (nothing was reported to indicate the rejection of anyone of them to the issue)."
Do keep in touch. If you have any other question, don't hesitate to write back.
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