Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes

[Independent]

let them compare contrast this with the Greek protests where the govt. Actually killed protesters and used illegal weapons against them or the one in Spain, recent memory, recent times.

There have been fatalities among the protesters in Turkey also.

If anyone has any doubt that the whole Turkish protest is any other than a western ploy to down with anything remotely Islamic that's successful

Basically you say this because you always say it.

It's extraordinarily unlikely that the west would want to destabilise Erodgan, the leader of a Nato and (potentially) EU member state. Like the US, the UK and and France, Erdogan is strongly anti-Assad. And up till now many western governments have looked sympathetically on his attempts to take power from the army etc, because they believed his intentions were sincere. Now they are not so sure.

The western media don't quite know what to make of the protests. They sound like a typical European protest (environmentalists protecting trees). They look like a typical Arab Spring protest (yet another famous city square). But they are very different.

Erdogan has handled the protests very incompetently, which is surprisingly considering his record to date. Heavy handed police action at the start enflamed attitudes unnecessarily. You really get the sense he has lost patience with anyone who contradicts him.

The real difference these days is the internet - videos of police brutality go round in seconds. Ten years ago, you could be in the next street away and know nothing about it. These protests are linked above all by increased by public awareness. Erdogan has imprisoned more journalists that almost any other state in the world, but he can't stop youtube.

 

[جوري]

There have been fatalities among the protesters in Turkey also.

That's how it rolls with mob scenes usually!

Basically you say this because you always say it.

This is a meaningless statement!

It's extraordinarily unlikely that the west would want to destabilise Erodgan, the leader of a Nato and (potentially) EU member state. Like the US, the UK and and France, Erdogan is strongly anti-Assad. And up till now many western governments have looked sympathetically on his attempts to take power from the army etc, because they believed his intentions were sincere. Now they are not so sure.

It is very likely given the presence of the colonial settler state of Israel in the region, just given the flotilla incident not to mention, their new economic independence, and new relations which such countries as Egypt.
West was never anti-Asad anymore than it was anti-Mubarak or anti-gaddafi, and use your fingers to google pics all the lovey dovey pix of them together .. it is a matter of strategic play at the right moment before all is lost. Already foreign individuals were caught in the Turkey protests and they were there as well to play the stock market as Soros did before with Malaysia.

The western media don't quite know what to make of the protests. They sound like a typical European protest (environmentalists protecting trees). They look like a typical Arab Spring protest (yet another famous city square). But they are very different.

Of course they don't know what to make of people defiling mosques and drinking liquor.. I mean how do they contain their happiness?

Erdogan has handled the protests very incompetently, which is surprisingly considering his record to date. Heavy handed police action at the start enflamed attitudes unnecessarily. You really get the sense he has lost patience with anyone who contradicts him.

In fact it is Erdogan's govt. that's picking up the bill for the looting that happened including the very statue of Kamal Ataturk their idol.. do you not watch and read the news like the rest of us?

The real difference these days is the internet - videos of police brutality go round in seconds. Ten years ago, you could be in the next street away and know nothing about it. These protests are linked above all by increased by public awareness. Erdogan has imprisoned more journalists that almost any other state in the world, but he can't stop youtube.

Yes glad the net showed the thugs as non-turks, drunkards and public urinators. I guess it is what you make of it right? When it is anti-Islamic the net is to be praised when it is pro-Islamic it is all conspiracy theories.

like I said before and time and again, you've no credibility, none whatsoever!

best,

 

[Independent]

West was never anti-Asad anymore than it was anti-Mubarak or anti-gaddafi

The difficulty with your 'analysis' (although to dignify this claptrap with a term like analysis is to give you a credit you in no way deserve) is that it just doesn't ever fit the facts.

Of course the west was, and is, anti Assad. Ask the Russians and the Iranians.

You respond to each event with your usual dismal anti-western reflex action, even if it totally contradicts whatever you said last week. If you ever remember.

 

[جوري]

The difficulty with your 'analysis' (although to dignify this claptrap with a term like analysis is to give you a credit you in no way deserve) is that it just doesn't ever fit the facts.

lol what a dynamo of a hyperbole!
I guess padding is best when politically bankrupt and socially awkward and logically inept!

Of course the west was, and is, anti Assad. Ask the Russians and the Iranians.

NO, they're very pro Assad and his regime, try news that's not aimed at five year olds!

lookey here .. even Israeli news think so!

You respond to each event with your usual dismal anti-western reflex action, even if it totally contradicts whatever you said last week. If you ever remember.

like what pray do tell.. I like how you amuse me!

 

[جوري]

kaffirs truly are all of the same creed, liars & charlatans. Here they're proclaiming that these hundreds of thousands are anti- Erdogan when in fact they're pro Erdogan came out in his support.. will wonders ever cease? Probably the same reason their spokespersons everywhere including those who troll on board can't tell the difference between truth & fiction.

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[KAding]

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kaffirs truly are all of the same creed, liars & charlatans. Here they're proclaiming that these hundreds of thousands are anti- Erdogan when in fact they're pro Erdogan came out in his support.. will wonders ever cease? Probably the same reason their spokespersons everywhere including those who troll on board can't tell the difference between truth & fiction.

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Err, look at the caption in your picture. It is clearly the same as the one on this page:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/15/world/europe/turkey-protests/index.html

As you can also see the title "Anti-government protests in Turkey" is for the overall slideshow, which includes many pictures (most of them of the anti-government protests, which is also the reason supporters of Erdogan are rallying in the first place!).

The description of this picture is in the caption, which states:

Tens of thousands attend a rally to hear Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan speak at the the Kazlicesma meeting area in Istanbul on Sunday, June 16, a day after he ordered a crackdown on anti-government protesters at Gezi Park. Protests that began as a demonstration against the planned demolition of the park have grown into general anti-government dissent across the nation.

How is that a "lie"? It clearly states this is at a rally to "hear Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan". How could you even confuse it as otherwise, since there is a huge picture of Erdogan in the background!

 

[جوري]

Err, look at the caption in your picture. It is clearly the same as the one on this page:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/15/world/europe/turkey-protests/index.html

Err, that is not what it originally said is it as shown in the first picture!
small captions isn't what remains in people's memories when they click on slides to see pictures entitled 'anti govt. protests'!

As you can also see the title "Anti-government protests in Turkey" is for the overall slideshow, which includes many pictures (most of them of the anti-government protests, which is also the reason supporters of Erdogan are rallying in the first place!).

lol yes.. and I am glad of the disparity for those who read!
your point being?

How is that a "lie"? It clearly states this is at a rally to "hear Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan". How could you even confuse it as otherwise, since there is a huge picture of Erdogan in the background!

Not sure why you insist on asking such stupid questions? Can't you not see that there's a difference between what you've linked and what was originally released?

best,

 

[Roasted Cashew]

As you can also see the title "Anti-government protests in Turkey" is for the overall slideshow, which includes many pictures (most of them of the anti-government protests, which is also the reason supporters of Erdogan are rallying in the first place!).

But you would agree that is is very misleading for those who just glance over without reading captions...if the **** title is for anti-government protests then put those **** pictures...why include pro-government as well..???

 

[جوري]

But you would agree that is is very misleading for those who just glance over without reading captions...if the **** title is for anti-government protests then put those **** pictures...why include pro-government as well..???

I don't agree with you on much but you are correct here, also they still didn't retract their error in totality until Turkish media put them to shame!

 

[KAding]

Err, that is not what it originally said is it as shown in the first picture!

Then what does it say in the first picture according to you? The two pictures appear identical to me, the slideshow title is identical, the caption appears identical. It is unfortunate the article you linked to doesn't actually provide (1) a clear screenshot of the CNN page or (2) a link to the supposedly misleading CNN article.

But from a little more googling I think this is a link to the slideshow: http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/01/world/gallery/turkey-protests

Good news! It appears the "kaffir liars and charlatans" at CNN have by now slightly altered the slideshow title to "Demonstration in Turkey". That should please you, no?

 

[جوري]

Then what does it say in the first picture according to you? The two pictures appear identical to me, the slideshow title is identical, the caption appears identical. It is unfortunate the article you linked to doesn't actually provide (1) a clear screenshot of the CNN page or (2) a link to the supposedly misleading CNN article.

I am not big on games are you?

Good news! It appears the "kaffir liars and charlatans" at CNN have by now slightly altered the slideshow title to "Demonstration in Turkey". That should please you, no?

Why would it please me that an error is retracted? Why make a very obvious and intended error in the first place?

 

[KAding]

But you would agree that is is very misleading for those who just glance over without reading captions...if the **** title is for anti-government protests then put those **** pictures...why include pro-government as well..???

Seems pretty innocent to me, as everything in those pictures is in the context of the anti-government demonstrations, including the pro-Erdogan rally! The only reason Erdogan is rallying his supporters is because of anti-government protests! Again, there is a huge portrait of Erdogan in the background and the caption clearly explains it. You'd have to pretty careless to get fooled like that.

However, I agree that the title could be clearer. And apparently they have now in fact done so and renamed the slideshow to "Demonstrations in Turkey". Much ado about nothing really.

But talking about deception, what about this one:

kaffirs truly are all of the same creed, liars & charlatans. Here they're proclaiming that these hundreds of thousands are anti- Erdogan when in fact they're pro Erdogan came out in his support..

Where have CNN ever "proclaimed" these were "hundreds of thousands of anti-Erdogan" protesters? Never... It is just all blown out of proportion to yet again be able to curse the "kuffar liars and charlatans".

 

[KAding]

Why make a very obvious and intended error in the first place?

Doesn't the fact that it got corrected indicate that they 'error' was never 'intended' in the first place?

 

[جوري]

Doesn't the fact that it got corrected indicate that they 'error' was never 'intended' in the first place?

Not at all, it means that after Turkish media exposed them, they tried to salvage whatever is left of their credibility as a corporate news agency!

best,

 

[جوري]

"proclaimed" these were "hundreds of thousands of anti-Erdogan" protesters?

Right there on the caption superimposed on the picture, do you not see it? If you don't please get your vision checked. It is not a one title fits all, when I click on something that says anti-govt. protests and see hundreds of thousands of people present, that is the image that is impressed on the mind, not the fine writing and not a later retraction!

best,

 

[Independent]

The trouble with having a dumb theory is that events keep contradicting it. Latest news is that Erdogan is threatening to use the army to quell the protests. This is of course the same army which is supposed to be on the side of the protesters, ready to seize power in a secular coup to topple Erdogan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22938860

Looks like 'Apologise for Naught' owes us all an apology. Oh - I see you changed your caption

 

[Perseveranze]

Erdogan finally growing a back bone it seems

 

[Samiun]

I find Erdogan confusing, sometimes he supports the West but at the same time he also supports Islamic ruling. I find it also puzzling what are the protesters doing? Although I'm really not surprised why they do not want Islam as a lifestyle because they're too secularized during the era of Kamal Attaturk. When I went there, you can see they sell alcohol in restaurants and even start to get drunk during new year's eve by having something like a barrel filled up with alcoholic drinks.

 

[جوري]

Erdogan finally growing a back bone it seems

He has to take baby steps not to lose his head quit literally like his predecessors.

I find Erdogan confusing, sometimes he supports the West but at the same time he also supports Islamic ruling. I find it also puzzling what are the protesters doing? Although I'm really not surprised why they do not want Islam as a lifestyle because they're too secularized during the era of Kamal Attaturk. When I went there, you can see they sell alcohol in restaurants and even start to get drunk during new year's eve by having something like a barrel filled up with alcoholic drinks.

Rather he inherited a very secular very anti-islamic, Muslim majority country, and is trying to change it slowly. He has been consistent, if you'll look back even to the flotilla incident!

 

[جوري]

btw let me clarify something to those who are somewhat taken by the kaffir stance, who can barely save face from just the previous page.
The govt. has every right to intervene to to protect its citizens from mobsters. Turkey has a parliament, and every profession has what we can classify as a union what we call in Arabic 'niaqabaa', their complaints whether low pay or vacation time or whatever grievance goes directly though that not though streets or mosques to loot and have the tax payers pick up the tap and if their goals are political then they form a political party however small and have their representation in the parliament. Frankly I see this as nothing more than a stupid ploy not unlike those mentioned in the protocols to cause upheaval and civil unrest in the entire Muslim majority world!