WHATS your views on Sharia Laws

[ck1986]

You need to produce four witnesses to be stoned and I find it a fair punishment for adultery.
The moral is don't screw around before four witnesses cheat and cheat on your husband or wife. The law is made so that it is virtually impossible to prove unless with a confession, since those who bear false witnesses are the subject of stoning themselves.
As for what we think of sharia law, that is an open ended question. You'd need some schooling in the matter the same way folks attend medical or secular law school or accounting etc.
So we know very little none of us are scholars here and you know even less!

best,

Its not up to you to end someones life, its not up to you to punish someone for their sins. ALLAH states in the Quran that HE ALONE only can do this.

I have a hard time believing why most Muslim have a hard time believing this

 

[جوري]

none of them kill people for their sins.

It is a sin to murder and people get the death penalty for that all the time even in the civilized west!

Its not up to you to end someones life

Indeed it is a judicial matter!

ALLAH states in the Quran that HE ALONE only can do this.

I have a hard time believing why most Muslim have a hard time believing this

Allah swt also gave us the laws with which to govern on this earth, haven't you heard?

best,

 

[Aprender]

There are plenty of Laws the exits, but none of them kill people for their sins.

This is not true. If you kill someone in the United States the punishment for it is often times DEATH. Now it's just lethal injection. Either way, you murder, you mostly likely die and the relatives of your victims get to sit and watch you take your last breath.

A sin is between the person who committed a sin and GOD. IT is up to the person to forgiveness and it is up to GOD whether to forgive that person or punish them.

Unless you confess to committing adultery or do it in front of four people which is just plain strange and gross, then the same applies in Islam. It's really hard to prove in Islam. Either way, the punishment for it is something that should be a reminder to you not to do something so detestable.

In the U.S. it's now more acceptable and expected for a wife/husband to cheat. Even some husbands/wives contract HIV/AIDS and give it to their spouse. Now the spouse can most likely die because one was not faithful to the other and a child can grow up without a parent all because one was careless and following their desires instead of fearing Allah. It destroys family life. Ruins childhoods. Now in the U.S. it is common for a child to grow up with one parent because of cheating and there aren't any laws here on the books for that. Some marriages get prenuptial agreements but it still happens. Usually they end up just not getting money or something but the family lives are still destroyed because they have no shame in doing this and expect it as the "norm". Even some married couples here are SWINGERS. When two married couples switch partners and are intimate with one another. Astaghfirullah.

Look outside of it all. Islam is a protection from this. This is why Allah tells in the Quran to lower our gaze, be modest, guard our chastity and also:

"And do not approach unlawful sexual intercourse. Indeed, it is ever an immorality and is evil as a way." [17:32]

 

[ck1986]

It is a sin to murder and people get the death penalty for that all the time even in the civilized west!




Indeed it is a judicial matter!



Allah swt also gave us the laws with which to govern on this earth, haven't you heard?

No one in the Quran does it talks about the LAWS

best,

I am against the death penalty as well, but the death penalty does not include adultery or theft. Indeed punishment is required for most people who due bad. Bad killing Gods Creation is going agianst Gods Creation.

 

[جوري]

I am against the death penalty as well, but the death penalty does not include adultery or theft. Indeed punishment is required for most people who due bad. Bad killing Gods Creation is going agianst Gods Creation.

No one really cares for your personal convictions. Even in the civilized west they drone people (without a trial all together) simply for not liking what they have to say.
You've no case, it is a protest of one so go make a sign and stand in times square maybe someone will drop you a penny!

best,

 

[Aprender]

Its not up to you to end someones life,

We are not pacifists. When Muslims are attacked first then you believe it's OK to just sit back and not fight while Muslim women and children are murdered? Surely we should never transgress bounds and kill someone for absolutely no reason but you act like people being stoned to death for adultery is something that happens to the point where the Muslim population is in decline because we're all being stoned to death for the sin of adultery.

I really think you've been influenced too much by the haters of our religion in regards to this when even in the Bible it states to kill the one who converts from Christianity even if they're your immediate family member.

I see nothing wrong with it because 1. It's extremely hard to even prove this. 2. It's more encouraged to be silent about it, repent to Allah and never do it again.

Killing someone for it is really the final straw and even then you'd pretty much have to confess to it in order for it to happen. People get killed here in the U.S. for crimes they didn't commit with faulty evidence even when they've maintained their innocence throughout the trial.

 

[ck1986]

WHAT I am trying to say is ALLAH has sent us down the Quran he has told us what is good and what is bad. He has told us what will happen to us if we do the bad. We would be punish in the after life.

 

[جوري]

Punishment is here and there, if you repent you can be forgiven if sincere but even the punishment itself is an expiation of sin..
Quit your nonsense and your pretense!

 

[Hulk]

I admire you guys' patience really.

 

[Aprender]

but the death penalty does not include adultery or theft.

Really? Share sensitive secrets about federal procedures and see if you wake up in the morning. Leak secrets about federal operations and see if you wake up in the morning. Become a material witness in a major case that will take down someone in a position of power and just hope the authorities can protect you. And if you were to steal something major you could find yourself having the death penalty too. For example, if you were to steal the blueprints of a weapon and sell them to a violent organization and it was later used to kill innocent people, you would be charged with murder because your theft played a role in that. Felony law states that co-defendants can be equally responsible for a murder no matter who pulled the trigger or killed the person. If you were there and did something that led to a murder with the one who actually committed the act, you're just as guilty.

I am against the death penalty as well

Then you do not agree with what Allah says in the Quran.
"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty." [25:68]

At the end of the day our religion teaches us to repent for it but as the sister said above the punishment is expiation of the sin. Don't forniacate or committ adultery. Don't kill anyone for no reason or put yourself in a position where this punishment would apply to you and if you have then sincerely repent for it and work on being a better person.

 

[whale95]

My views about the Shariaa is that it is the best laws Allah has blessed us with and the humankind have witnessed.
It has covered every single aspect of our life PERFECTLY with nothing missing in it.
It has given everybody their complete right according to their situations.
No one is discriminated or left off (because of colour/race/ or anything)
It has given to the Non-Muslims their rights as well...

Shariaa is the Complete Justice and no other law is like that..

ck1986 ... I understand that if a person commit adultery then they should be stoned... This is mercy for the whole community as they will see them being stoned so people will take it seriously... whereas, if it was only jail for 2 weeks or a weak punishment then people will get into this major sin of adultery... So to be more specific it is mercy for the baby (if a baby came) then that baby will be a victim and might be thrown in the streets or dont know his/her real parents... This is mercy for the family reputation as the father and mother of the person who commited adultery will be ashamed and embarrassed of such thing... Moreover for those who committed adultery especially if it was a woman then she will find difficulties in getting married... And mercy for their future Wives/Husbands... so the bottom line is that this law is the best for such sin as the Allah The Merciful knows what is best for humans and knows how their minds work as He created us... As you can see the mercy of all is endless....

I think it is better for someone who performed adultery to be stoned as it is (Kaffara) ... it is like he has took his punishment in the dunya(this life) rather than in the Judgement Day...

So do you think that if someone is stoned due to this act, is there going to be anyone willing to perform adultery? This is the mercy...

Moreover, do you think if someone stole something VALUABLE and his hands were cut off, do you think that someone is going to steal after that? Btw it depends on different situations...


May Allah Bless us all to the truth and guide us to the straight path insh Allah

 

[ck1986]

My views about the Shariaa is that it is the best laws Allah has blessed us with and the humankind have witnessed.
It has covered every single aspect of our life PERFECTLY with nothing missing in it.
It has given everybody their complete right according to their situations.
No one is discriminated or left off (because of colour/race/ or anything)
It has given to the Non-Muslims their rights as well...

Shariaa is the Complete Justice and no other law is like that..

ck1986 ... I understand that if a person commit adultery then they should be stoned... This is mercy for the whole community as they will see them being stoned so people will take it seriously... whereas, if it was only jail for 2 weeks or a weak punishment then people will get into this major sin of adultery... So to be more specific it is mercy for the baby (if a baby came) then that baby will be a victim and might be thrown in the streets or dont know his/her real parents... This is mercy for the family reputation as the father and mother of the person who commited adultery will be ashamed and embarrassed of such thing... Moreover for those who committed adultery especially if it was a woman then she will find difficulties in getting married... And mercy for their future Wives/Husbands... so the bottom line is that this law is the best for such sin as the Allah The Merciful knows what is best for humans and knows how their minds work as He created us... As you can see the mercy of all is endless....

I think it is better for someone who performed adultery to be stoned as it is (Kaffara) ... it is like he has took his punishment in the dunya(this life) rather than in the Judgement Day...

So do you think that if someone is stoned due to this act, is there going to be anyone willing to perform adultery? This is the mercy...

Moreover, do you think if someone stole something VALUABLE and his hands were cut off, do you think that someone is going to steal after that? Btw it depends on different situations...


May Allah Bless us all to the truth and guide us to the straight path insh Allah

Can you explain on why dont all Muslim countrys have these laws

 

[Aprender]

Can you explain on why dont all Muslim countrys have these laws

No country in the world today fully implements Shariah Law.

 

[whale95]

ck1986..... Well, I guess yu should ask them.....
This will lead into diving into the depth of politics which I dont like to talk about...

However...

u can see Gaza now... Why dont all the Muslim countries help them?
Muslims were killed and skinned in Burma by Buddhists... Why didnt the Muslim countries help them?
Syria where their own leader is killing the people brutally :S...
Muslims in most parts of the world are facing difficulties... including France about the veil problem and many other things...

You might ask why dont these Muslims help their brothers? Its just too complicated politics which is endlesss.. so dont waste your time trying to understand it without having a fairly strong islamic history about the past...
Why I said Islamic because it is one of the Histories which are not altered.... As we know that histories are written by the powerful individuals (Leaders)....

There are many things which SHOULD happen but the REALITY is that it doesnt exist..

So the bottom line dont take the Muslim countries (of these days) as a "MODEL" but take the prophet (pbuh) and his Sahabas as models.... Study more about them especially Umar ibn el Khattab and see how the Muslims rose significantly higher than the skies.... And in only 10 years of Umar's Khelafa (Egypt, Syria, some countries under russian communism at the past, Iraq and other parts...) these countries belonged to the Muslims... And the people of these lands loved the Muslims so much that when the roman took part of one of the lands (I dont remember really which) the people of this land were sad and wanted the Muslims...

I like discussions as it will help us understand our weak points and we could help each other...

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

Can you explain on why dont all Muslim countrys have these laws

Because the Khalifa fell, that's why. A better question would be why did the Khalifa fall and how? How has this affected muslims and muslim countries?

- cOsMiC

 

[White Rose]

When someone becomes a khalifa, it is his responsibility to ensure that people are on the right path. Because he will be accountable on the day of judgement, he has to set an example. Some people just dont follow a given set of rules unless they know that there is a punishment for doing something wrong. The pious person obviously avoids the bad things but generally, there are good and bad people in a society and the punishments for breaking laws are mostly for the bad people(in Islam) .

Nowadays, its the reverse. People who have resources get away by breaking laws while those who lead a simple life are caught in their mess. The so called Islamic countries dont have proper sharia and the ones who dont know anything about sharia think that whats being followed today is the sharia which looks barbaric to them.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

what a very very broad question.


I think it is needed to fix the world - but it should be implemented in a muslim country - not forced upon a secular state.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

I am educated about my relgion, I do beilve Allah told my not to murder anyone and I shall listen to Allah alone and not do it. Allah has said on Judgment Day everybodys sins is their own, not even a parent and a child could share their sins. Its not up to Muslims to kill others for their sins, only Allah has this right to.

If you were educated about your religion then you'd know not to show such arrogance.

The verse you are referring to is this:

The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allâh, if you believe in Allâh and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. (This punishment is for unmarried persons guilty of the above crime but if married persons commit it, the punishment is to stone them to death, according to Allâh's Law). (Quran 24:2).

This does not include every sin on the face of the earth but a great and major sin, only for the adulterer who is found guilty of this crime.

There are degrees of sins and some are more severe than others. The greater sins result in a greater degree of punishment while other lesser sins only need sincere repentance.

The different degrees of punishment are even evident in man made laws where crimes like treason are punishable by death. If you are truly educated about your religion then you'd know that Allah is the one Who created the heavens and the earth, the one who causes water to drop from the sky whereby gardens grow full of beauty and delight. He is the One who created all that exists so to Allah alone belongs the authority to decree such a punishment.

Or does man know better while not even having the ability to create a fly?

The purpose of these punishments is to keep you away from such things. Worship Allah by doing what He has asked you and stay clear from all sins.

 

[Mustafa2012]

There are a no. of crimes in certain parts of America that are punishable by death penalty/lethal injection etc.

Why don't people call American law barbaric?

 

[Ramadan90]

I do believe the sharia laws exist to PROTECT us from harm and I love it. Allah knows what is best for us.