WHATS your views on Sharia Laws

[aamirsaab]

@ independant

Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to go through each and every one of your points and the ensuing discussion (I'm lazy I know ). With the greatest respects, I would recommend you purchase this book on the topic of Sharia law. It gives a thorough overview of each and every single one of your queries (and more) and also offers some background info too, which I believe will be interested in.

You can find it here: http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b2440.html (If you can find it cheaper elsewhere, by all means do so, but this book I can certify is well worth your purchase - Muslim or not)

 

[Independent]

With the greatest respects, I would recommend you purchase this book on the topic of Sharia law.

Thank you for the reference. Although if I put that on my Christmas list, my family are going to wonder what's going on...

 

[Ummshareef]

Before anyone tells me - I understand that for Muslims, if it’s in the Qu’ran that’s the end of the story and it cannot be questioned.

.......

So that’s why I ask the questions above.

Dear Independent,

It is a very good thing that you are so inquisitive about Islam. By coming on this forum and asking questions, you will insha'allah gain an insight into Islam and how it works and want to learn more. But I really do think that the best thing that you can do, as aamirsaab has suggested, is to acquire a text book on Shariah written by a scholar that will answer your questions and explain everything that you need to know. Don't worry what your family might think - seeking the Truth is more important.

The one point I would like to refute is that Shariah is medieval and barbaric - yes it is true that it has not changed for 1400 years, but that is because it is God's law, and as such it is perfect and does not need to be modernised or updated. It is impossible for man-made laws to improve upon the Shariah though many man-made laws are similar. It is as relevant today as it was all those years ago when it was first revealed and provides the perfect framework for us to live our lives alHumdulillah.

As a westerner, you may consider some of our punishments to be barbaric, and yes, some are undoubtedly severe in comparison to western law, but as Muslims we welcome the protection that they bring to our society, principally through their deterrent effect and also by removing rotten apples from society. We take the view that if we stay close to the obedience of Allah subhanahu wa ta'alaa then we are giving ourselves the best chance of avoiding His punishment.

 

[Independent]

It is a very good thing that you are so inquisitive about Islam. By coming on this forum and asking questions, you will insha'allah gain an insight into Islam and how it works and want to learn more.

Thank you for your welcome and your replies. In fact I already have a number of books related to Islam on order (although it will take me awhile to read them). I never imagined before joining this forum that Islam involves such a profoundly different worldview from a Christian culture.

 

[Logikon]

Seeing as you've made the last quote up and attributed it to me, I have no idea what it is that you seek clarification in.

Sorry for the confusion!
The full quote is;

You're still failing to see Islam for what it is. Islam is not democracy. It never was and it never will be. The One who created us is the one who decides our laws. When Islam says something we reply with, "We hear, and we obey"

Instead of focusing on the branches, focus on who Muslims worship. We can go around in circles all day long about my laws and your laws but neither of these laws will be followed until we know where they came from. Therefore, when you come to learn that the Islamic laws come from the One and Only Almighty, then is there any dispute left? .

The part in red is the part I don’t get. And this can be split into phrases for the purpose of understanding


[quote='Abd-al Latif]
-We can go around in circles all day long

-about my laws and your laws

-but neither of these laws will be followed until we know where they came from.

-Therefore, when you come to learn that the Islamic laws come from the One and Only Almighty, then is there any dispute left? .
[/quote]


Again, sorry for the confusion.
What does this mean?

 

[Ummshareef]

I never imagined before joining this forum that Islam involves such a profoundly different worldview from a Christian culture.

There are vast similarities, but yes there are differences as well. But I think the big differences are between Islamic and western legal systems. One of the areas where there are huge differences is around gender interaction and sexual behaviour - Islam for example forbids free-mixing, fornication, adultery and homosexuality, whereas none of these are even a crime in western law and some are considered normal and even actively encouraged. I know which system I would rather live under.

 

[M.I.A.]

free-mixing

..so were all marriages arranged?


..thinks of adam AS... dont answer that!


..actually look how that tur... never mind.. (whole heap of trouble in jokes)



ok, so the point is that in a world without free mixing how can a person get to know a person for who they are?

there points of attraction?

there piousness and character traits.


if free mixing leads to fornication.. and adultery.. then surely it is a reflection of the people.

pious for the pious and unclean for the unclean,

iv read something similar not so long ago.. in another thread, quoting from the quran.



im not saying that there should be free mixing, just that when given the freedom the real test starts.

 

[CosmicPathos]

..so were all marriages arranged?


..thinks of adam AS... dont answer that!


..actually look how that tur... never mind.. (whole heap of trouble in jokes)



ok, so the point is that in a world without free mixing how can a person get to know a person for who they are?

there points of attraction?

there piousness and character traits.


if free mixing leads to fornication.. and adultery.. then surely it is a reflection of the people.

pious for the pious and unclean for the unclean,

iv read something similar not so long ago.. in another thread, quoting from the quran.



im not saying that there should be free mixing, just that when given the freedom the real test starts.

MIA, no offense, you seem to be drugged from your comments. Go visit a detox center. Theyll give naltrexone to come off those opioids.

 

[M.I.A.]

yeah i guess the joke is out of order.. very crass and uncalled for.

dont let that fool you though the rest requires a better rebuttal...

i cant even imagine what id be like if i could tolerate myself.


...the widespread use of antidepressants and intoxicants

...rather than recreation.


how better to treat the hopeless.. then condemning them.

 

[CosmicPathos]

yeah i guess the joke is out of order.. very crass and uncalled for.

dont let that fool you though the rest requires a better rebuttal...

i cant even imagine what id be like if i could tolerate myself.


...the widespread use of antidepressants and intoxicants

...rather than recreation.

My towering ego does not even consider idiots worthy of my rebuttal.

 

[M.I.A.]

what can i say,

the confines of ones mind and the internet are a bad combination.


the funny thing is that i cant string a sentence together in public, if i said black it would probably come out my mouth as white.


i doubt i had anything better to say anyway.


...iv learned a lot from the experience.

hate the action not the person.


funny thing is that before i even thought twice about what i did i was a lot happier.

still known to be shy and awkward but happy at least.


now im like an inert gas.. just passing through.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

:salamext:

And they all lived happily ever after!

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