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I believe Manchesterfolk said he believed in G-d, but not organized religion a little while back, I remember reading him saying it somewhere. Correct me if I am wrong Manchester.

Anyway, I am curious how Mohammad, can be considered Moshiach. Exactly what did he accomplish which would fufil the requirements to be.
 
You seem hesitant to give a description of the Moshiach. ? what do you have to lose? your Judaism? Dont be so scared of the truth my brother.
 
You seem hesitant to give a description of the Moshiach. ? what do you have to lose? your Judaism? Dont be so scared of the truth my brother.

Hesitant of what? Are you asking for a description of the Moshiach? If so, then just spill it...

Did Mohammad rebuild the third temple, and restore the animal sacrifices to them?
 
Shalom Thereby

Yes please give a description.

Did Mohammad rebuild the third temple, and restore the animal sacrifices to them?

Consider these facts:

1. The first temple was buillt by Sulayman in 961-922BCE and then is destroyed in 587BCE by Nebuchadnezzar.

2. The second temple is built in 515BCE by the Jews after exile and then is destroyed by Titus in 70CE (which Christ predicted).

3. The third temple is sitting right unde your nose right now but yet you dont recognize it.The third temple was built due to Muhammad's night miraj, had it never happened the Muslims would have never built the third temple there.
 
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who was this written of according to Judiasm?
"HIKKOMAMITTAQIM VIKULLO MAHAMADDIM ZEHDUDIVEZEH RAAI BENUTS YARUSHALAM." "His mouth is most sweet: yea he is Muhammad the great. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O' daughter of Jerusalem."

(Songs of Solomon 5:16)
 
Aslo read this:

Masjid ul Aqsa is the reconstructed Third Temple.

One of the highest aspirations of _today's_ Israeli government is to build the "Third Temple" (the third renovation of Solomon's temple which has been destroyed twice before in history), there is only one issue, the House of prayer "Masjid-ul-Aqsa" now stands in the same exact location.

First Temple in 960 BC, Solomon is believed to have erected it to house the Ark of the Covenant which his father, David, had brought to Jerusalem. The temple was burned to the ground by the Babylonians in 586 BC.

The Second Temple was consecrated in 515 BC, rebuilt by Herod in 20 BC and destroyed by Titus in 70 AD.

The Byzantine Christians used the area as a dump and it was in this state that a Muslim, Caliph Omar Ibn al-Khattab, found it. In 638 AD. he ordered the place cleaned and built a House of Prayers at the southern end of the sanctuary, the apparent Third Temple " Masjid-ul-Aqsa".



Masjid-ul-Aqsa was completed by Amir Abd ul Malik in 647 AD.

With these observations in mind, the question is , has another sect of Jews co-orchestrated the Job of building the Third Temple ? *Jews for Allah* . It is well documented that Israelis along side their ancestral brothers, the Arabs, participated in the construction of Masjid-ul-Aqsa.

For example, Ka'ab al-Ahbar, a Yemenite Jew who converted to Islam was a co-engineer in the construction. [Al-Tabari, The History of al-Tabari, Vol XII]

Furthermore, it would have been impossible to clean the area containing decades of Byzantine litter and build this Holy Temple in only 10 years (no electricity), without the cooperation and assistance of the thousands of Jews in Jerusalem.

The inhabitants of Israel left the Temple of Solomon a pile of rubble and garbage for almost (Six Hundred Years, nearly 10 generations of Israelis) 70 AD -to- 647 AD, until it was finally beautifully restored by the unity of Jews and ancestral brothers of Jews, the Muslims.

Muslims do not claim to worship a different God than the Jewish God, in fact, just the opposite, Muslims declare they worship the God of Abraham, hence the Masjid-ul-Aqsa is in fact the restoration of the Temple Mount by direct descendants of Prophet Abraham.

What's more, during one of the Crusades, the Crusaders thought the Masjid-ul-Aqsa was Solomon's temple and put a cross on it! If they had known that it was a Muslim temple, they would have torn it down, but it still stands.

Further proof that Muslims have rebuilt the Temple Mount is that there are no idols in the current place of worship, there are no pictures, the prayers are preformed the way Jews used to pray, and the prayers are made directly to the Creator of Abraham with no intercessors.

The Jews do not have to mourn or drop another tear, the Modern Temple has also been rebuilt to include inscriptions to counter the Trinity of Christianity from our Holy Site:

the New Temple Mount was an answer to and a denial of the attractions of Christianity and its Scriptures, providing the Faithful with arguments to be used against Christian theology. The inscriptions are seven hundred and thirty-four feet long in all, amongst the lengthiest inscriptions in the world.

The inscriptions are as follows:

Inner Face: South Wall. In the name of God the Merciful the Compassionate. There is no God but God alone; he has no co-partner. He is the Kingship and His the praise. He giveth life and He causeth to die, and He hath power over everything.

South-East Wall. Verily God and His angels pronounce blessing upon the Prophet. O ye who have pronounced blessings upon Him and give Him the salutation of peace. O, People of the Book (i.e. the Jews and Christians, always referred to as such by the Muslims -Ed.) do not go beyond the bounds in your religion and do not say about Allah anything but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, is a messenger of God and His word which he cast upon Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe only in God and of his messenger, but do not say "Three" (Trinity) and it will be better for you. God is only one God. Far be it from His glory that he should have a son.

North Wall. The Messiah will not deny to be in the service of God nor will the angels who stand in his presence. O God; pray upon Thy messenger "the servant Jesus - (N-W Wall) the son of Mary and peace be upon him the day of his birth, the day of his death and the day of his being raised alive." That is Jesus, son of Mary - a statement concerning which YOU are in doubt. It is not for God to take for Himself any offspring, glory be to Him.

West Wall. God bears witness that there is no God but Him, likewise the angels and the people possessed of knowledge (S-W WALL) - Upholding justice. There is no God but He, the Almighty and All wise. Verily, the religion in God's sight is Islam.

Outer Face: West and North-West Walls. In the name of God the Merciful and Compassionate. There is no God but God alone. Praise be to God who hath not taken to himself offspring. To Him there has never been any person in the sovereignty. Mohammed is the messenger of God, may God pray upon Him and accept his intercession.

Praise be God who has not taken unto himself a son and who has no partner in sovereignty nor has He any protector on account of weakness.

Islam has a History of Restoring ancient Temples and preserving current Houses of Worship as taught in Islam:

In the time of the caliph 'Umar, certain Muslims had usurped a piece of land belonging to a Jew, and had constructed a mosque on the site. Learning the news, the caliph ordered the demolition of the mosque and the restoration of the land to the Jews.

There are currently thousands of Jews and hundreds of Synagogues in Muslim countries, dating over a 1,000 years old and Preserved in tact to this day, including the dozens of Temples kept in tact in Israel for the past millennium and a half while Muslims were responsible for Israel, if they were in ruble as the Romans had left the Temple Mount, the Muslims would have restored them to houses of worship as was done to the Temple of Solomon.

According to M S M Saifullah, Another Temple restored in history is one built by Prophet Abraham, the Ka'bah:



These are just two of Temples we observe to be restored, we conclude that a further study needs to be set forth to discover other Temples of God brought back to life by the children of Abraham, Muslims.

In Conclusion, attempts to destroy the Masjid ul Aqsa to (re~re-build another House of Worship is not an act of God, but rather an act of pride, egotism, and nationalism, and would severely polarize the nearly 1.5 Billion Muslims with the other children of Abraham. Rather than plotting against Masjid ul Aqsa, Jews need to be thankful to God for sending our ancestral brothers to restore the ancient Temples, which laid in ruins for centuries under Israeli control.
 
The third temple is sitting right unde your nose right now but yet you dont recognize it.The third temple was built due to Muhammad's night miraj, had it never happened the Muslims would have never built the third temple there.

The awnser is no. The Mosque on the Temple mount is not the third temple. Muhammod did not build it. And there are not ritual animal sacrifices done on the Mount. Therefore the Moshiach has not come.

who was this written of according to Judiasm?
"HIKKOMAMITTAQIM VIKULLO MAHAMADDIM ZEHDUDIVEZEH RAAI BENUTS YARUSHALAM." "His mouth is most sweet: yea he is Muhammad the great. This is my beloved and this is my friend, O' daughter of Jerusalem."

(Songs of Solomon 5:16)

False. Misquoted Verse. Translated Incorrectly.



5:6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had turned away, and was gone. My soul failed me when he spoke. I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.

ו פָּתַחְתִּי אֲנִי לְדוֹדִי, וְדוֹדִי חָמַק עָבָר; נַפְשִׁי, יָצְאָה בְדַבְּרוֹ--בִּקַּשְׁתִּיהוּ וְלֹא מְצָאתִיהוּ, קְרָאתִיו וְלֹא עָנָנִי.
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Please give me the respect I deserve as someone who is not naive enough to be dumb and actually take "Jews for Allah" as fact. The post you made is riddled with contradictions and misquotations. It is absolutly pathetic. Makes me think if the writer was sober when writing it.
 
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wow mashallah I loved your post... if I can give you any more repute points I would but I have used all my allowances for the evening :cry:... this is an amazing piece of religious history.
 
I see you have been around a bit - well the temple has been built three times , i think youre waiting for the fourth temple so have a nice wait.
 
The awnser is no. The Mosque on the Temple mount is not the third temple. Muhammod did not build it. And there are not ritual animal sacrifices done on the Mount. Therefore the Moshiach has not come.



False. Misquoted Verse. Translated Incorrectly.



5:6 I opened to my beloved; but my beloved had turned away, and was gone. My soul failed me when he spoke. I sought him, but I could not find him; I called him, but he gave me no answer.

ו פָּתַחְתִּי אֲנִי לְדוֹדִי, וְדוֹדִי חָמַק עָבָר; נַפְשִׁי, יָצְאָה בְדַבְּרוֹ--בִּקַּשְׁתִּיהוּ וְלֹא מְצָאתִיהוּ, קְרָאתִיו וְלֹא עָנָנִי.
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Please give me the respect I deserve as someone who is not naive enough to be dumb and actually take "Jews for Allah" as fact. The post you made is riddled with contradictions and misquotations. It is absolutly pathetic. Makes me think if the writer was sober when writing it.

you gave me 5:6 not 5:16 according to my google search.... either way it is inconsequential to me... you get so fired up when I sense you could come so close to being a Muslim if you'd open your mind a bit... you made it all the way to this forum...... it must mean something? ....... eh what can one do... I wish you the best!
 
I wonder how the Jews view Herod? do they also believe in John the baptist? Yahya? Herod's daughter Salome asked for the head of John the baptist as a wedding gift... she was to be wed to her uncle. Yahya opposed the incestual affair and as a result =(
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1520/24 by Andrea Solario......... little bit of art history which is a hobby of mine...
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Salomé with the Head of John the Baptist, painted circa 1515 (Galleria Doria Pamphilj, Rome)

Discliamer: Islam forbids the depiction of angels, prophets or holy figures in paintings
 
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yeh P>a i want allowed to spread the rep either ..

but thanks - though its not mine> Therebe is a little mad because i copied and pasted it from Jews for Allah. Ah well.

Brother - you have some time to think about it- you still havent given a description of the redeemer of mankind.
 
"inaka lan tahdi mann a7babt lakina Allaha yahdi mann yacha2."
only God Guides whom he wills to the path of righteousness....
Andarrwus, were you Jewish before? My great uncle was married to a Jewess from morocco which is where he was from as well, but she never converted, which was a shame... I am curious how you became Muslim or if you were born one? if you did revert, did you post your story under the reverts section? I am eager to learn things from your perspectve pre/post Islam.....
wasalaam
 
Was she a Jew???

oh yeah salome was Jewish....... oscar wilde wanted to make a play about her but was forbidden from doing so... the brits stated they had a law against depicting biblical characters on stage... so he did it in France... this was all about a hundred years ago... the world has taken a dive into insolence since.... as people have revrence for no one anymore :heated:
 
you gave me 5:6 not 5:16 according to my google search.... either way it is inconsequential to me... you get so fired up when I sense you could come so close to being a Muslim if you'd open your mind a bit... you made it all the way to this forum...... it must mean something? ....... eh what can one do... I wish you the best!

5:16 His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'

טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלָם.

I see you have been around a bit - well the temple has been built three times , i think youre waiting for the fourth temple so have a nice wait.

I'm sorry but it has not. The Mosque on the Mount has none of the requirements for the Temple, and it accomplishes none of the things that must be accomplished in it. Like sacrifices. Therefore Muhommad did not build the third temple, therefore Muhommod i another of hundreds of people to claim they were Moshiach and be false.

But believe whatever you wish. I'm not stopping you.
 
5:16 His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'

טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלָם.
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Yes agreed that is the proper translation!....

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I'm sorry but it has not. The Mosque on the Mount has none of the requirements for the Temple, and it accomplishes none of the things that must be accomplished in it. Like sacrifices. Therefore Muhommad did not build the third temple, therefore Muhommod i another of hundreds of people to claim they were Moshiach and be false.

But believe whatever you wish. I'm not stopping you.
Same goes for you!
peace and to all a good night.....
 
Salam,

I was one generation away from being Jewish. Had my mother had stayed in Cyprus i probaly would have been. However she came here and became a Jehovahs witness. I embraced Islam four years ago. and i have a long unfinished document on why i embrced Islam that some people have been waiting two years for. I was actually thinking of being a Jew due to my heritage, infact that was one of the many reasons which made me look at Islam. insha'Allah i will post my account another day. thanks and wasalams
 

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