"Why has Allah forbidden eating Pork?"

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Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Actually, as was explained a few times in the beginning of this thread, Jesus, pbuh, was speaking with the Pharisees and was not discussing food, but eating with unclean hands. This quote from Jesus refers to words and the hypocrisy of the pharisees, not food. If you go to the first few pages of this thread you will find a full explanation of these verses.

It clearly has an extended meaning and does refer to food. All Christians think it refers to food. I am happy not to comment on Islam on the grounds that I am not a Muslim, but I think it is only fair there is a quid pro quo. Can you find a Christian here who agrees with your interpretation of that passage?

Also, this was one law Paul didn't change. He never said unclean meat was now clean, just as Jesus, pbuh, did not. When Paul speaks of food, he is referring to eating the food that had first been offered to idols for a blessing. He tells them the idols can do nothing to the meat and they are permitted to eat it. He is speaking to new converts who were concerned about eating such food.

What Paul says, in one letter, is

Rom.14
[1] Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
[2] For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
[3] Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
[4] Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
[5] One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[6] He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
[7] For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
[8] For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
[9] For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[10] But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[11] For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[12] So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[13] Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
[14] I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[15] But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
[16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[18] For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[19] Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
[20] For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
[21] It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
[22] Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
[23] And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.​

Paul may also speak of food offered to idols but here he is clearly talking about the Jewish dietry rules. He is also clearly saying there is no such thing as unclean food.
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

The Halal gelatins are chemicaly identical to the Haraam ones. They just come from a different source. The taste is identical, nobody misses out on anything. The only ones that taste different is the ones that use a gel product other then gelatin. Sometimes that can even be a taste improvement. For example "Jelly Bellies" use pectin, many people believe they tase much better then the jelly beans made with gelatin.

There is no reason to use pork products for anything. Only reason pork is popular in the Western world is it is a meat that can be raised in very small areas. The commercial pig farms are a disgrace for the treatment of animals. The poor little critters are produced like a factory item. Never even see the outside world once in their short lives. Piglet is born, raised 3 months in a small pen with fully automated feeding and watering. Then the first time they leave the pen is their trip to the killing room. No way to treat any living critter.
 
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The Halal gelatins are chemicaly identical to the Haraam ones. They just come from a different source. The taste is identical, nobody misses out on anything. The only ones that taste different is the ones that use a gel product other then gelatin. Sometimes that can even be a taste improvement. For example "Jelly Bellies" use pectin, many people believe they tase much better then the jelly beans made with gelatin.

There is no reason to use pork products for anything. Only reason pork is popular in the Western world is it is a meat that can be raised in very small areas. The commercial pig farms are a disgrace for the treatment of animals. The poor little critters are produced like a factory item. Never even see the outside world once in their short lives. Piglet is born, raised 3 months in a small pen with fully automated feeding and watering. Then the first time they leave the pen is their trip to the killing room. No way to treat any living critter.
the same can be said for chickens!
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Very true about the chickens. I used to live in Arkansas and the miles upon miles of windowless chicken coops was a disgrace to any living creature. Actually the chickens probably have it worse then the pigs. Little pens with barely enough room to stand up. Stacked on top of each other, a synthetic diet made mostly with chemicals to produce more white meat and very fast weight gain. No natural view of the world, not even sun light. Since somebody figured out that chickens eat constantly during daylight hours the coops are kept lit with electric lights for about 23 hours per day. the critters do reach butchering weight at a very early age. From egg to frying pan in about 3 months. Not a very pleasant concept for any of Allah's(swt) creatures.
 
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^On the plus side, chicken is grrrrrreat!

...Apologies to any animal rights activists or vegetarians.
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

^On the plus side, chicken is grrrrrreat!

...Apologies to any animal rights activists or vegetarians.

I still prefer free-range chicken. Tastes better. People pay a lot more money for it but it is worth it.
 
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So the practice of Christians eating pork actually derived from their blending with pagan customs?
 
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I still prefer free-range chicken. Tastes better. People pay a lot more money for it but it is worth it.

Also much more humane treatment of the chickens. Yes, they do taste better and are much healthier to eat. They are "real" chickens not a science fair experiment gone bad.

Personaly I don't eat chicken unless it is an emergency and I ran out of Tofu. I used to be a vegan but now that I live with my daughter , she "forces" me to eat meat. I prefer goat tho.
 
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So the practice of Christians eating pork actually derived from their blending with pagan customs?

Getting back on topic. That sounds like a good summation. Although a combination of religious misconceptions and cultural practices.
 
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guys your slowly getting off topic.......lets not pick up on the christmas thing that a whole new topic when it comes to christian practices!
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Salam Alaikum:

The brackets are not part of original manuscript. Brackets are used when the writer wants to try to clarify something or give opinion to the text. (just like marginal notes from manuscripts that often found their way into the main body of the biblical text) Regardless of the intent of the author, Jesus, pbuh, was speaking about the pharisees being hypocritical in their speech allowing tradition to take a higher stand than the laws of God.

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana


So the brackets are not part of the authors writing but inserted by later people?
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

There is a fish the Japanese eat. It has a sack of poison and the fish must be prepared very, very carefully, or the poison will kill you.

The fish does not live in the oceans around the Middle East. As a result the fish is not banned in Islam.

That fish is more dangerous than pork.

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what fish is this? anyway shark contains a lot of mercury and is banned in Islam, due to it being poison! i'm sure the fish you are on about (if its true!) might also be not acceptable and if it is it would be for a significant reason in Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Pork has a parasite. If pork lives in the wild and it is not cooked properly, the parasite can kill you. This was the original reason for the ban by Jews in ancient times.

Modern pork is farmed using modern farming methods. And pork is butchered according to correct health regulations and it is cooked according to correct health regulations.

Everyone knows this. Muslims choose not to eat it for the simple reason that it is against their religion. There is no other reason. I don't care if you choose not to eat it.

In the West, the ban on pork was lifted due to common sense.

If France or the UK ever became Muslim, pork could not be banned because to do so is to curtail freedom and to go against common sense.

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thats the problem with COMMON SENSE EXPLANATIONS that it cannot be PROVEN OR IS BASED ON LITTLE VALID FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!
pork not being allowed in ISLAM has also a good reason but afor an ATHEIST its hard to understand thats COMMON SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

what fish is this? anyway shark contains a lot of mercury and is banned in Islam, due to it being poison! i'm sure the fish you are on about (if its true!) might also be not acceptable and if it is it would be for a significant reason in Islam!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Im sure that was a fugu(japan) or Pufferfish.In Malaysia pufferfish also being a common diet to a few tribe especilly in east malaysia.
 
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:sl:

Is it true the tradition to serve Christmas Ham during christmas came from the Germanic Pagan tradition?
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

There is a fish the Japanese eat. It has a sack of poison and the fish must be prepared very, very carefully, or the poison will kill you.

The fish does not live in the oceans around the Middle East. As a result the fish is not banned in Islam.

That fish is more dangerous than pork.

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PLEASE THE NAME THE FISH! look if it wasnt good for ya islam would never allow e.g. sharks were not halal and many non-muslim didnt understand why muslims couldnt eat it, however untill recently scientist or whatever claim that sharks contain a lot of mercury which is very very poisioness! we were told this 1400 yrs ago, when sharks werent a common dish in the middle east! what does that tell ya! :?
anyway the fish you are on about may not be also alowed in islam if you can be willing to name it i can see if it is alowed!
pigs on the other hands are very dirty animals and scientist have also claimed that what ever type of animals you be around a lot or eat you start to act like them dont know if it is true however shud be taken into account!
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Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

PLEASE THE NAME THE FISH! look if it wasnt good for ya islam would never allow e.g. sharks were not halal and many non-muslim didnt understand why muslims couldnt eat it, however untill recently scientist or whatever claim that sharks contain a lot of mercury which is very very poisioness! we were told this 1400 yrs ago, when sharks werent a common dish in the middle east! what does that tell ya! :?
anyway the fish you are on about may not be also alowed in islam if you can be willing to name it i can see if it is alowed!
pigs on the other hands are very dirty animals and scientist have also claimed that what ever type of animals you be around a lot or eat you start to act like them dont know if it is true however shud be taken into account!
:thankyou:

It was a Fugu(Japan),Buntal(Malay) or a Pufferfish(English),the fish contains lethal amounts of the poison tetrodotoxin in the internal organs, especially the liver and the ovaries.
Though being prepared very well by licensed cook, every year a number of people still die in Japan.

Its Better to prefer other fish
 
Re: Why do Christians eat pork?

Sharks contain mercury due to pollution.

That pollution did not exist 1,400 years ago!
 
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