Wrong to attack non-Muslims

[LauraS]

To LauraS;

I don´t even know who is that Omar Barkri you mention all the time. He might be more known for non-muslims than for muslims in general.

He's an extremist Muslim preacher who was kicked out of the UK. He's quite..mad...and calls for the death of non-muslims.

Zafran- I've brought him up twice.

Trumble- I think that's exaclty what I was trying to say.

 

[LauraS]

To LauraS;

I don´t even know who is that Omar Barkri you mention all the time. He might be more known for non-muslims than for muslims in general.

He's an extremist Muslim preacher who was kicked out of the UK. He's quite..mad...and calls for the death of non-muslims.

Zafran- I've brought him up twice.

Trumble- I think that's exaclty what I was trying to say.

 

[Noddy]

This is a very interesting topic to say the least and credit to those who have contributed to the discussion.

But the question I pose regarding the topic is – why don’t Muslims speak out and condemn these speeches which urge the killing of non-Muslims?

Furthermore there are many non-Muslims who attack our holy book the Quran and we are rightly taking to the streets to condemn the act but why don’t we take the streets to condemn these Preachers?

May Allah (swt) guide us all,

Noddy

 

[GuestFellow]

He's an extremist Muslim preacher who was kicked out of the UK. He's quite..mad...and calls for the death of non-muslims.

Can I see evidence of this please? The full video or the article?

 

[GuestFellow]

This is a very interesting topic to say the least and credit to those who have contributed to the discussion.

But the question I pose regarding the topic is – why don’t Muslims speak out and condemn these speeches which urge the killing of non-Muslims?

Furthermore there are many non-Muslims who attack our holy book the Quran and we are rightly taking to the streets to condemn the act but why don’t we take the streets to condemn these Preachers?

May Allah (swt) guide us all,

Noddy

There are Muslims that condemn terrorists attacks:

Al-Asheikh calls for fighting terrorism

Indian Muslims condemn terrorism

 

[glo]

Actually, knowing where to look you come across Muslims publically condemning acts of terrorism quite often.
I guess the mainstream media might not cover such news often enough.

Here is an example I came across only today:

As the Presidents of the Christian Muslim Forum we condemn the attack on the Syriac Catholic Church in Baghdad on 31 October which resulted in the deaths of at least 46 worshippers, including priests. We strongly emphasise that any attack on Christians or any innocent people is not condoned by Islam, the Qur’an or the example of the Prophet Muhammad. In fact, Islamic teaching safeguards the rights and security both of the innocent and of places of worship. The terrorists who committed these murders do not act or speak for Islam and should not be seen as representing Islam in any way. We also condemn the threats of suicide bombing by ‘The Islamic State of Iraq’ (an al-Qaeda affiliate) against the Coptic Orthodox Church in Egypt.

[...]

We therefore:

1. Urge all people of faith and goodwill to see beyond hate, hostility, extremism and terrorism and not judge any religion, especially in this case Islam, by the violent and destructive acts of those who claim allegiance to a religion but deny it through their actions.
2. Draw attention to the resources Christianity and Islam have in their traditions, scriptures and wise, courageous and gentle leadership to bring peace rather than war.
3. Ask all who associate religions with hatred, bloodshed and war to look deeper into their all-pervading messages of peace with God, neighbour and the stranger.
4. Commend all genuine peace-building and inter-religious initiatives as antidotes to extremism, violence and terrorism and pray that the example of friendship and peaceful living together is seen as more ultimately more powerful than acts of hatred.
5. Ask the governments of Muslim countries to make every effort to protect their Christian communities where they are threatened by terrorists and extremists
6. Ask our own Government to recognise the legitimate case for asylum of Christians fleeing oppression, persecution, death threats and terrorism in Middle Eastern and other countries

[...]

Signed by Rt Revd Dr Richard Cheetham (Acting Bishop of Southwark, Co-Chair, Christian Muslim Forum), Imam Dr Musharraf Hussain OBE (Co-Chair), Revd Dr Nicholas Wood, Shaykh Ibrahim Mogra, Bishop Donnett Thomas, Bishop Paul Hendricks, Shaykh Abbas Ismail

Source

 

[LauraS]

Can I see evidence of this please? The full video or the article?

The videos were on the news, they were him preaching to quite big groups of people. There are a lot of articles about him out there. Here's one where British Muslims speak up in support of seeing him deported: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4144792.stm

glo- there's a Christian Muslim forum? That's really nice to see!

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Thanks, I will have a look.

 

[glo]

glo- there's a Christian Muslim forum? That's really nice to see!

Yep, go and check it out!

Here is how it started:

The Christian Muslim Forum is built on friendship between a group of Christians and Muslims, showing how faith is a catalyst for good relationships and welcomes the 'other'. This friendship began with a small group of Muslims and Christians working on the Archbishop of Canterbury's Initiative in Christian-Muslim Relations. This grew from Archbishop Carey's comments in 1997, "For the sake of the health of this country, we need to find ways in which members of our two communities can meet regularly together in a more structured way than has been possible up to now." His remarks were received warmly and positively by leaders of the Muslim community ...

Source

 

[sister herb]

He's an extremist Muslim preacher who was kicked out of the UK. He's quite..mad...and calls for the death of non-muslims.

Dear LauraS;

to muslims kind of people are not muslims at all. Islam is religion of peace, not kill or harm others. Here isn´t any extremist muslim priest at all. So I have no idea who you are talking.

 

[LauraS]

Dear LauraS;

to muslims kind of people are not muslims at all. Islam is religion of peace, not kill or harm others. Here isn´t any extremist muslim priest at all. So I have no idea who you are talking.

References are made to extremist Christians yet they aren't following what Jesus preached and so aren't true Christians.

He still exists and he still considers himself a Muslim and so do the the few Muslims that actually support him. He preaches in the name of Islam whether he truly represents Islam or not.

oops hadn't finished- glo thanks, I think I will. These sort of things need to be more more widely publicised I think.

 

[sister herb]

Dear LauraS;

both true muslims and true christians aren´t interesting about extremists.

Are you more interest about extremists than true religion?

 

[tango92]

The videos were on the news, they were him preaching to quite big groups of people. There are a lot of articles about him out there. Here's one where British Muslims speak up in support of seeing him deported: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4144792.stm

glo- there's a Christian Muslim forum? That's really nice to see!

i wonder is they blurred the videos to give a "terrorist" look. and muted the audio so they could misquote him in dodgy news articles?

 

[tango92]

salam

you have to know that in sharia there is a term called harbie which means that there are people like idolators, polytheists and unbelievers that can get killed at any time.
thats Allahs will!!

troll got identified, bring in the troll extermination team. aka the reds, blues and blacks

 

[sister herb]

it seems like im that only real muslim on this site is this possible?

Salam alaykum;

only Allah can decide who is real muslim and who is not.

 

[LauraS]

i wonder is they blurred the videos to give a "terrorist" look. and muted the audio so they could misquote him in dodgy news articles?

Nope, it was a clear video, no blurring. What's the problem? Muslims on this board admit there are extremists out there so why dismiss the evidence? What's dodgy about that article?

sister harb- I'm not the only one one this board talking about extremists.

 

[sister herb]

sister harb- I'm not the only one one this board talking about extremists.

Really? And who other is here just finding extremism from Islam? Most of people it is just enough to know that Islam is religion of peace.

Seems that to some it is not enough. Pity for them.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Really? And who other is here just finding extremism from Islam? Most of people it is just enough to know that Islam is religion of peace.

Seems that to some it is not enough. Pity for them.

No, it isn't enough. I pull in a comment from another thread that seems to apply here as well:

The past few posts bring to mind:

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
attributed to Edmund Burke-- circa:1790

Now the way I interpret that, we who are against hate being acted out in the name of a faith that we confess have an obligation to our own set of beliefs (be they Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish, or Wiccan) to stand up and denounce anyone who would besmirk our faith by behaving in a way that is contrary to it. Certainly we all preach against sins such as murder, stealing, and adultery; shouldn't we also preach against violence and terrorism? Now this isn't going to be solved by me telling a Muslim that there are problems within Islam if I ignore the problems in that people create in the name of Christianity. But the reverse is true as well.

We each have some work to do within our own faith communities. So, I'll try to put a stop to folks like Fred Phelps and Terry Jones, and even more those like them who names that you don't hear about in the news but live in my own community. Now, who else is willing to join me in doing the same with their neighbors?

 

[IAmZamzam]

Certainly we all preach against sins such as murder, stealing, and adultery; shouldn't we also preach against violence and terrorism? Now this isn't going to be solved by me telling a Muslim that there are problems within Islam if I ignore the problems in that people create in the name of Christianity. But the reverse is true as well. We each have some work to do within our own faith communities. So, I'll try to put a stop to folks like Fred Phelps and Terry Jones, and even more those like them who names that you don't hear about in the news but live in my own community. Now, who else is willing to join me in doing the same with their neighbors?

Just exactly exactly do you expect us to do about it? And for that matter, what are you capable of doing about Fred Phelps?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Just exactly exactly do you expect us to do about it? And for that matter, what are you capable of doing about Fred Phelps?

I take it you didn't see this article on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...7/exp.nr.blocking.funeral.protestors.cnn.html


But the big thing to do is to speak up when someone, anyone uses hate speech or condones the use of violence in our presence. If we could win all these little one-on-one battles in our own communities, each of us with our own neighbors, there wouldn't be anyone for the likes of Phelps, Jones, or any other madman to recruit.