So the US calls together many mid eastern countries to try and work out the issues between Palestine and Israel, almost everyone attends except Iran, and what is Irans response? Lets have those who are still launching rockets and provoking the other side come together and discuss ______ (you fill in the blank, mine was how to continue a pointless endless war... )
Iran to host militants for 'alternative' Mideast meet 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran said on Tuesday that it had invited Palestinian militant factions to a meeting in Tehran aimed at countering a US-hosted Middle East peace conference seeking to kickstart the peace process.
"These groups are planning to come to Tehran within the next week or two and they are all the Palestinian groups that are struggling for the freedom of their land," government spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham told reporters.
Iran is one of the most vocal backers of Palestinian militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad and pledged millions of dollars in 2006 to the then Hamas government crippled by a Western aid cut.
The Islamic republic does not recognise Israel and its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has provoked outrage by calling for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map.
Elham indicated the Tehran meeting would be a riposte to the conference bringing together Israeli and Palestinian leaders which started in Annapolis outside Washington on Tuesday.
"It means that the Annapolis conference is not representing the Palestinians and not talking on their behalf, but on the contrary is moving against their rights," he said.
More than a dozen Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia and Iran's top regional ally Syria, have sent representatives, leaving Tehran conspicuously isolated.
On Monday Ahmadinejad told Saudi King Abdullah in a telephone call that he "wished" the kingdom was not taking part in the peace conference.
Tehran's arch foe Washington, which is hosting the meeting, dismissed the Iranian criticism as "not surprising," and charged that Tehran backs the extremists sidelined by the talks.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
lol.... I find it funny how many muslims on this board take so much pride in Iran for their anti western rhetoric...lol.. A country of Shia are going to destroy Israel by "unleashing 11,000 missles"...
its funny you seem to think that sunnis and shias actually hate each other.
you think whats going in iraq is a general trend amongst all Muslims? why in UAE sunnis and shias live in peace, the same in lebanon, bahrain, and even saudia!
the shia sunni fighting in iraq exploded after USA went in, hmmmmmmm is that a coincidence that suddenly when the USA entered all hell broke loose between the 2?
so dont fool yourself into this shia-sunni issue, most sunnis in the mid-east admire ahmedinijad and his stance......
and number 2 i live in a muslim country, arab one, i see it with my own eyes that most arabs and sunnis dont have a problem with shias. it is the divide and conquer strategy to pit shias and sunnis together because israel and usa knows a join shia-sunni force in the mid-east would destroy their interests and plans.............
so plz dont generalize the issue in iraq as a trend amongst all shias and sunnis.
infact the 'shia' 'sunni' fighting in iraq isnt even a real civil war, it is only a few groups carrying out the fighting for political gains, nothing to do with different beliefs, and it isnt the wide-spread civillians fighting each other.
so your completly wrong in your WHOLE point. shia and sunnis will eventually unite to fight their sole and common enemy, israel, who have killed both sunnis and shias. we already see shia iran allies with suni hamas and other sunni groups
I've seen enough anti-Shia rhetoric on this site alone to know there are divisions there. However, no sectarian issues can be discussed anyway.
As for why the Sunni and Shia are fighting in Iraq(or were), it is directly as a result of the Zarqawi bombing of the mosque. It was a part of the Al-Qaeda strategy to sew the seeds of civil war in Iraq. The U.S. "plot" was the exact opposite, which was stability in order to get the heck out of there.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
It's always the governments...and the west, the kuffars, the pope...
Do you think Israel keeps its fire in Tel Aviv?
And I don't think any of the countries you mention is willing to face the US and the rest of the Israeli allies who would join the combat if Israel proved to be too weak to handle the Arabs by itself.
Please lad. The Mighty U.S army blah blah. You lads can't even get an exit strategy together or fight one country (Iraq) Imagine fighting like 5 or when we establish khilafah you'll fight 50 countries.
On to other posts
Any who The Western Governments in the Muslims world are so pathetic right now that an animal or goat would beat them. But once we get our Islamic governments then it's all over for Israel. The sheer number of Muslims would be to hard to handle for Israel and the United States. Good Lord 38 nations are losing to the Taliban is Afghanistan. Don't give me no crap like "oh you don't want to face us" because The mujahideen are kicking the U.S Marines behind and NATO's behind.
But I don't understand, children making war plans.
Why doesn't anyone want peace?
I honestly want peace but Israel Can't be trusted. Also the U.S wants pro western governments but we want Islamic governments. They see Islamic governments as Terrorists and That Western Law should prevail. There Can never be peace unless We rule our selves the way we want and they do what they want. It's not difficult man. The Islamic masses want khilafah state and sharia but the U.S won't allow it so we will fight for it and they will fight against it. As long as the U.S fights against want we want then there can never be peace. When there is a true Islamic state then we are a very peace loving people and we still are but we won't stop the war until we get what we want for OUR people
...Any who The Western Governments in the Muslims world are so pathetic right now that an animal or goat would beat them. But once we get our Islamic governments then it's all over for Israel. The sheer number of Muslims would be to hard to handle for Israel and the United States. Good Lord 38 nations are losing to the Taliban is Afghanistan. Don't give me no crap like "oh you don't want to face us" because The mujahideen are kicking the U.S Marines behind and NATO's behind.
Hmmmmm...has anyone actually seen Baghdad Bob recently? I wonder.
its funny you seem to think that sunnis and shias actually hate each other.
you think whats going in iraq is a general trend amongst all Muslims? why in UAE sunnis and shias live in peace, the same in lebanon, bahrain, and even saudia!
the shia sunni fighting in iraq exploded after USA went in, hmmmmmmm is that a coincidence that suddenly when the USA entered all hell broke loose between the 2?
so dont fool yourself into this shia-sunni issue, most sunnis in the mid-east admire ahmedinijad and his stance......
and number 2 i live in a muslim country, arab one, i see it with my own eyes that most arabs and sunnis dont have a problem with shias. it is the divide and conquer strategy to pit shias and sunnis together because israel and usa knows a join shia-sunni force in the mid-east would destroy their interests and plans.............
so plz dont generalize the issue in iraq as a trend amongst all shias and sunnis.
infact the 'shia' 'sunni' fighting in iraq isnt even a real civil war, it is only a few groups carrying out the fighting for political gains, nothing to do with different beliefs, and it isnt the wide-spread civillians fighting each other.
so your completly wrong in your WHOLE point. shia and sunnis will eventually unite to fight their sole and common enemy, israel, who have killed both sunnis and shias. we already see shia iran allies with suni hamas and other sunni groups
Wow!! I love that, the words "sunni", "sectarian", "Iraq", "division", "civil war" none of it was even in my post! LOL LOL LOL I do love how you bring it up so defensive though.... However my point is that according to Islam the anti christ will arise in the region of Iran, and that Shia are not really Muslim according to the Sunni, do you wish to deny that? Or perhaps drive this whole post into a temper tantrum about your pent up frustration with this "division"
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Please lad. The Mighty U.S army blah blah. You lads can't even get an exit strategy together or fight one country (Iraq) Imagine fighting like 5 or when we establish khilafah you'll fight 50 countries.
On to other posts
Any who The Western Governments in the Muslims world are so pathetic right now that an animal or goat would beat them. But once we get our Islamic governments then it's all over for Israel. The sheer number of Muslims would be to hard to handle for Israel and the United States. Good Lord 38 nations are losing to the Taliban is Afghanistan. Don't give me no crap like "oh you don't want to face us" because The mujahideen are kicking the U.S Marines behind and NATO's behind.
lol.... I have to wonder, have you been visiting the poppy fields in Helmand?
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
we still are but we won't stop the war until we get what we want for OUR people
And they won't stop it until they get what they want for theirs...
Peace generally involves compromise and a willingness to accept the need for it... I'm afraid your position puts you firmly in the intolerant hate-monger camp, just the same as many of those you condemn.
Hopefully sanity will prevail on both sides and your ilk on both sides will marginalised and eventually forgotten.
[QUOTE=Trumble;874537]And they won't stop it until they get what they want for theirs...
QUOTE]
This makes no sense whatsoever, Your proving my point indirectly. What do they want from Muslim lands....they want oil, resources, minerals etc... And they want to implement their western democracy on us. So basically your saying that the west won't stop fighting unless they stop Islamic law in the Islamic countries and take the resources from them. I'm saying the war won't stop until they leave our resources and our lands alone. Why are you so ignorant. All you keep saying is "peace peace peace" but you forget whats at stake. Islamic law is at stake, Our resources and capital are at stake, and Islam in itself is at stake because if we don't adopt western ways then they will keep invading our lands. You argument has no basis even in International law. The Americans always talk about freedom for all people but they are taking the freedom away from the Muslims who want Islamic law.
For the one who said I'm warmongering:
Since when has the fight for Freedom become warmongering. I hope you know the price at stake here is the freedom of Islamic people to choose their way of life and government. You can say what you want but we won't stop fighting until the Muslim lands are free of western influence. Everybody wants peace but yes I used but, only when our lands are ruled our way and yours your way. Is that such a hard request? We won't stop fighting until you leave us alone. end of discussion.
This makes no sense whatsoever, Your proving my point indirectly. What do they want from Muslim lands....they want oil, resources, minerals etc... And they want to implement their western democracy on us. So basically your saying that the west won't stop fighting unless they stop Islamic law in the Islamic countries and take the resources from them. I'm saying the war won't stop until they leave our resources and our lands alone.
It probably makes no sense because you have lost the plot as to what is being talked about.
The topic is the Arab/Israeli problem. I draw your particular attention to that fact as it was an Arab/Israeli problem long before people, usually having nothing directly to do with it, insisted on turning it into a religious problem. For most of the conflicts history the major players on both sides were secular... and until recently very few of those killed were fighting in the name of 'Islam'.
Staying on topic, 'they' are therefore the Israelis, not the United States or some amorphous Western conglomerate as you seem to be suggesting. They don't have the slightest interest in spreading 'Western democracy' anywhere. What they want for their people is a hometo which they believe themselves entitled by by history and right of occupation. They are not going anywhere, and would die to defend that right and that home, and anyone who does not recognise that is a fool. Anyone who does recognise it, chooses to ignore it and advocates an ocean of (usually) other people's blood is an even bigger fool. The simple fact is that large parts (exactly how large is very open to debate) of that land are now, by any meaningful measure, 'theirs', not 'yours'.
I am seriously losing interest in discussing ME politics.nothing ever changes there.NO PROGRESS at all.
Brother, ain't that the truth.
About the only place you could say there has been progress is in a formal peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan. That makes another Arab-Israeli war with conventional armies unlikley. Of course, there is no shortage of armed sub-national or trans-national groups willing to take up the baton. The claims and counter-claims go back literally thousands of years.
There are Arab states (like Saudi and Hussein's Iraq) that actually gained credibility by perpetuating the mess. Iran is clearly destabilizing things in its selfish move to be the regional power.
And they won't stop it until they get what they want for theirs...
QUOTE]
This makes no sense whatsoever, Your proving my point indirectly. What do they want from Muslim lands....they want oil, resources, minerals etc... And they want to implement their western democracy on us. So basically your saying that the west won't stop fighting unless they stop Islamic law in the Islamic countries and take the resources from them. I'm saying the war won't stop until they leave our resources and our lands alone. Why are you so ignorant. All you keep saying is "peace peace peace" but you forget whats at stake. Islamic law is at stake, Our resources and capital are at stake, and Islam in itself is at stake because if we don't adopt western ways then they will keep invading our lands. You argument has no basis even in International law. The Americans always talk about freedom for all people but they are taking the freedom away from the Muslims who want Islamic law.
For the one who said I'm warmongering:
Since when has the fight for Freedom become warmongering. I hope you know the price at stake here is the freedom of Islamic people to choose their way of life and government. You can say what you want but we won't stop fighting until the Muslim lands are free of western influence. Everybody wants peace but yes I used but, only when our lands are ruled our way and yours your way. Is that such a hard request? We won't stop fighting until you leave us alone. end of discussion.
who is stopping this anyways? SA is a supposed islamic state as is Iran, no one is stopping you, you werent even being bothered with until afghanistan allowed a terrorist to take shelter and not give him up. That is the only reason the US is there now, we dont care about your oil and minerals, etc. We pay for them just fine, that what it is all about anyways right, just take a look at the saudis money and power.... and you speak of our government being corrupt.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
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