Mom Beats Man With Baseball Bat For Allegedly Molesting Her Sons

[Futuwwa]

Is that not how it should work in every system? Both sides are heard, witnesses brought forth, corroboration of evidence, establishment of credibility of the individuals, sound knowledge and character of the judge, Punishment swift and befitting of crime which happens after establishment of guilt?

Agreed, that is how it should work. Which is why the woman who clubbed the alleged molestor should be held criminally liable, for she did none of the above things. Good that the "east" and the "west" can agree on something.

 

[جوري]

Agreed, that is how it should work. Which is why the woman who clubbed the alleged molestor should be held criminally liable, for she did none of the above things. Good that the "east" and the "west" can agree on something.

I have no concern for the lady to defend her one way or the other nor the accused in this case. I am speaking generally of how a system should work not how the system actually works.
Also I don't pretend to know about the law otherwise when it comes to nuances of specific cases unless I were called in to give medical evidence on a case I am personally involved in and you know 12 random people from the street would know even less so from the get go I find the system flawed in the way it is constructed.

I think if one wants to read and understand a bit about the judicial system in the Muslim world they should read the works of Ashafi3i and abu hanifah an'nu3man..

 

[Karl]

The woman is a maniac and needs to be put in an asylum for the criminally insane.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Yay let's go around and smack suspects with baseball bats. Arr matey bash that pervy git with a morning star yeeeha! We don't need the police or a judicial system. *head desk*

lol The way you put that cracked me up

 

[Hulk]

Presumably under sharia law the guilt of the accused would also have to established before any judgment was passed.

Of course. I know there are some silly films and people spreading nonsense like saying "In Islam, when a man accuses a woman of doing something wrong, she is automatically guilty until proven innocent.". I hope you didn't come across one of these hogwash and actually bought it.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

this is the difference between east and west. In the east the whole neighborhood would be beating him and no one would be charged.

In Thailand, if the police arrive a bit late, they will just be collecting the corpse.

I have personally seen one man on the steps of the police station early one morning. He was badly beaten up, his clothes torn and bloodied, his face swollen and his teeth broken. I asked the policeman, what happened and he said,

"The villagers caught him stealing a pair of slippers."

Now, I have lived among the people of Thailand for two decades and I can say for a certainty that they are a peaceful people and very definitely not people who would kill at the drop of a pin, or, in this case, just because of a pair of slippers. I am very sure, without supporting evidence, that the man I saw on the steps of the police station must have been a notorious character in his village who had been the prime suspect in a lot of thefts. So that morning they must have caught him red-handed and much as I believe in a fair trial and all that, I think what the villagers did in that case solved the problem very neatly and justice was served. I seriously doubt if the man who was beaten would think about stealing anything for a long while.

Now, about the woman who hit the man with a bat for molesting her sons.

If I were her, I would have probably done the same. Of course, I would ask him about it first, but if he answered by saying sorry, as the woman said, then I would consider it an open and close case. Like she said, why say sorry if you haven't done anything wrong? Actually I would beat him over the head just to knock him out, so that I can castrate him more easily.

Do I sound bloodthirsty? Am I uncivilized? Don't I have any clue about justice and fair trials and all that?

I don't know. Maybe the media is lying about this issue. I mean, just look at all those reports about child abusers who re-offend as soon as they are released. Is that justice? When we talk about justice, I strongly believe the first priority must be the victim not the perpetrator. When the law bends over backwards to protect the perpetrator, in the name of justice, then I strongly suggest that the law should just bend over and get it right right where it deserves.

 

[Iceee]

And that coach was running if he wasn't guilty he wouldn't have be running away from that lady.

Isn't that the same thing as what happened to the Chechen brothers. They ran after and we say they are innocent.

 

[glo]

Of course. I know there are some silly films and people spreading nonsense like saying "In Islam, when a man accuses a woman of doing something wrong, she is automatically guilty until proven innocent.". I hope you didn't come across one of these hogwash and actually bought it.

No, I didn't.

I just wanted to reiterate that establishing the GUILT of the accused before deciding on any punishment is paramount in any good legal system.

 

[Pygoscelis]

If I were her, I would have probably done the same. Of course, I would ask him about it first, but if he answered by saying sorry, as the woman said, then I would consider it an open and close case. Like she said, why say sorry if you haven't done anything wrong? Actually I would beat him over the head just to knock him out, so that I can castrate him more easily.

Do I sound bloodthirsty? Am I uncivilized? Don't I have any clue about justice and fair trials and all that?

Yes, you do sound bloodthirsty and uncivilized. And if you were to actually act in such a way, you really should be locked up. He may have said sorry just to calm the lady down or just as a reflex or as being empathetic for her loss. You don't know. Maybe he said sorry because he failed to prevent the kids from some other guy molesting them or from catching the guy who did it as he ran away. You don't know. And you shouldn't be ripping the man's bits off in some bloodthirsty rage of vengeance. How would you feel if you did that and then later found out he didn't do it, the kids were never molested, or somebody else did it and not him? Should you then be treated the same way you treated him? Without due process? With an angry mob?

I don't know. Maybe the media is lying about this issue. I mean, just look at all those reports about child abusers who re-offend as soon as they are released. Is that justice? When we talk about justice, I strongly believe the first priority must be the victim not the perpetrator. When the law bends over backwards to protect the perpetrator, in the name of justice, then I strongly suggest that the law should just bend over and get it right right where it deserves.

By changing the law. Not by anarchy and making yourself just as bad as the man you seek vengeance on.

 

[Abz2000]

Has anyone read the book "a time to kill" by John Grisham? Quite a riveting read.
Carl Lee Hailey offs the men who abused his daughter and even the cop who got shot by Carl in the process calls him a hero,
Carl later gets acquitted by a jury on the basis of temp ins,
Felt about right.
nice to know they didn't charge the woman with attempted murder - seems like the cops have a good idea about it.

In Islam, vigilante justice is not preferable, but when it happens, there are numerous cases where the guilt of the killer is checked afterwards, and was also acquitted.
Remember how the Prophet pbuh rushed to respond to the humiliation of a Muslim lady and killing of a Muslim man by Banu qainuqa?
I don't remember him (pbuh) condemning the dead Muslim man for angrily killing the sicko who pegged the cloak.
If that woman felt violated I believe it was a moment of justified temporary insanity.
What only waits is to find out if she killed an innocent man.

Go jail Obama for killing innocent people on his whim with no regard for the law before picking on a powerless woman with a baseball bat.

 

[جوري]

Same hypocrites screaming for trials here are the same hypocrites denying trials there and why not when they've men imitators to champion their cause a little, look the other way a lot & have some unusual hope that a dialogue with cancer will rehabilitate, change its nature or arrest its progress!

لعنكم الله بكفركم what else is left بعد الكفر except Muslims with low or non standards!

 

[GuestFellow]

^ Which hypocrites are you referring to now? :

 

[observer]

Go jail Obama for killing innocent people on his whim with no regard for the law before picking on a powerless woman with a baseball bat.

Good idea. Let's have no law until all political problems everywhere in the world have been sorted out. It might take a while but boy, THEN we'll have a great society!

 

[جوري]

In fact the law is now set to take away more & more rights from law abiding citizens such that they can't protect themselves, property or kids etc. until a slob comes to write a report over their dead bodies- meanwhile any moron can go get a gun from somewhere it never stopped criminals before and they go killing en masse!

 

[Pygoscelis]

Why can't we oppose both mobs ripping people to shreds AND governments abusing people? We should be supporting the rule of law and we should be holding our governments accountable and making them transparent.

 

[Scimitar]

I wonder, did you (like me) think along these lines?:

"the world is on the brink of a world war and we're discussing this?"

"I wonder what this thread has to do with Islam?"

"So uhm, how come we're all so getting up tight about this? did some of us miss breakfast?"

"last night i saw a moth try to eat thru my sock, I found that interesting - why am I thinking about that while reading this thread?"

These are just some of the thoughts that went thru my head.

Scimi

 

[glo]

Why can't we oppose both mobs ripping people to shreds AND governments abusing people? We should be supporting the rule of law and we should be holding our governments accountable and making them transparent.

Sounds pretty obvious to me.

 

[Abz2000]

He knew what time of day it was when he looked for the clock and realised that the medium hand had a bat in it instead of the big hand being on the little hand.....

 

[Karl]

In Thailand, if the police arrive a bit late, they will just be collecting the corpse.

I have personally seen one man on the steps of the police station early one morning. He was badly beaten up, his clothes torn and bloodied, his face swollen and his teeth broken. I asked the policeman, what happened and he said,

"The villagers caught him stealing a pair of slippers."

Now, I have lived among the people of Thailand for two decades and I can say for a certainty that they are a peaceful people and very definitely not people who would kill at the drop of a pin, or, in this case, just because of a pair of slippers. I am very sure, without supporting evidence, that the man I saw on the steps of the police station must have been a notorious character in his village who had been the prime suspect in a lot of thefts. So that morning they must have caught him red-handed and much as I believe in a fair trial and all that, I think what the villagers did in that case solved the problem very neatly and justice was served. I seriously doubt if the man who was beaten would think about stealing anything for a long while.

Now, about the woman who hit the man with a bat for molesting her sons.

If I were her, I would have probably done the same. Of course, I would ask him about it first, but if he answered by saying sorry, as the woman said, then I would consider it an open and close case. Like she said, why say sorry if you haven't done anything wrong? Actually I would beat him over the head just to knock him out, so that I can castrate him more easily.

Do I sound bloodthirsty? Am I uncivilized? Don't I have any clue about justice and fair trials and all that?

I don't know. Maybe the media is lying about this issue. I mean, just look at all those reports about child abusers who re-offend as soon as they are released. Is that justice? When we talk about justice, I strongly believe the first priority must be the victim not the perpetrator. When the law bends over backwards to protect the perpetrator, in the name of justice, then I strongly suggest that the law should just bend over and get it right right where it deserves.

So basically you are saying Thais behave like savage kaffirs. Where in the Quran does it tell you to behave like that?

 

[Karl]

I wonder, did you (like me) think along these lines?:

"the world is on the brink of a world war and we're discussing this?"

"I wonder what this thread has to do with Islam?"

"So uhm, how come we're all so getting up tight about this? did some of us miss breakfast?"

"last night i saw a moth try to eat thru my sock, I found that interesting - why am I thinking about that while reading this thread?"

These are just some of the thoughts that went thru my head.

Scimi

The woman is mad and if others become mad pretty soon you will have a war. This psycho violent mindset is the reason for war. She is the type who would gladly nuke nations with little provocation.