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[glo]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

You've had a lot of replies, Fishman!
Any more thoughts on how your family will take your conversion to Islam?
Are there any other 'religious' people in your family (not necessarily Muslims, I mean other faiths, too), or do you come from a purely atheist background?

Peace.

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

You've had a lot of replies, Fishman!
Any more thoughts on how your family will take your conversion to Islam?
Are there any other 'religious' people in your family (not necessarily Muslims, I mean other faiths, too), or do you come from a purely atheist background?

Peace.

Not as far as I know. Some of my more obscure relatives might be religious, though. But having religious family members is not a very good thing, because they are more likely to react in a hostile way.

 

[glo]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Not as far as I know. Some of my more obscure relatives might be religious, though. But having religious family members is not a very good thing, because they are more likely to react in a hostile way.

Not necessarily.
As I said in my first post, I find many people of other faiths more tolerant of my beliefs than those people of no faith. (Of course there are many exceptions to this 'rule' of mine.)
Perhaps because we have one thing in common: a belief in a deity, however different that may be in detail.

Peace.

 

[Fishman]

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Not necessarily.
As I said in my first post, I find many people of other faiths more tolerant of my beliefs than those people of no faith. (Of course there are many exceptions to this 'rule' of mine.)
Perhaps because we have one thing in common: a belief in a deity, however different that may be in detail.

Peace.

Athiests are generally (except some, such as 'Ali Sina) more hostile to Christianity than other religions, because they don't want to be classed as intolerant or racist, and because they probably come from a Christian background themselves. They tend to associate Christianity with George Bush (he can't deny evolution, he always makes wierd monkey faces!), preaching and creationism. What religion were your religious family members?

Because of Islam's bad reputation with the media, and certain televangelists calling us the followers of the Antichrist, religious people are more likely to get angry if you become a Muslim. They also believe that their religion is the right one, and want what they believe is best for their children: for them to stay in their faith.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

I'm back.
Thanks for the advice. I have, however, been advised (not personally, of course) by another website to wear a thawb (sp?). They say it's so that people identify me as a Muslim. But it's probably a good idea not to jump straight in like that, because like you said, it would make my parents worried.

As for Yusuf Estes, I'm not so sure about him. When I found his website, I saw some rather strange stuff written about the big bang (patterns do form from explosions, such as air currents, sound waves and light). I'm sure he just misunderstood the concept, however. I actually prefer Gary Miller's style of daawa. He's logical, he subjects his conclusions to scientific skepticism (alhamdulilah Islam always suceeds against it), and he appeals to people of many religions, not just Christianity or Judaism. And when he talks about the 'scientific miracles' of the Quran (which I call 'scientific forknowledge in the Quran') he actually mentions the ones that are the most convincing, not the over-exaggerated ones that many people point to.

Yes, I have a microphone (technically its my brother's).

Yusuf estes, don't worry about him, he is just trying to simplify things for the ordinary person in america to understand, but he is a cool guy. I agree with you like Garry Miller's approach, listened to some of his audio lecture, and found it rather enlightening.

Athiests are generally (except some, such as 'Ali Sina) more hostile to Christianity than other religions, because they don't want to be classed as intolerant or racist, and because they probably come from a Christian background themselves. They tend to associate Christianity with George Bush (he can't deny evolution, he always makes wierd monkey faces!), preaching and creationism. What religion were your religious family members?

Because of Islam's bad reputation with the media, and certain televangelists calling us the followers of the Antichrist, religious people are more likely to get angry if you become a Muslim. They also believe that their religion is the right one, and want what they believe is best for their children: for them to stay in their faith.

I personally think that the only reason Ali Sina attitude is less hostile to christianity is because he thinks christianity and Judaism is exposed and will fall on its own, (read it on his website somehwere). He Hostility is focused on ISLAM as he thinks it is a threat, but to what kind of threat he percieves ISLAM to be is not neccesarily what he writes (conveys) to his audience.

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Yusuf estes, don't worry about him, he is just trying to simplify things for the ordinary person in america to understand, but he is a cool guy. I agree with you like Garry Miller's approach, listened to some of his audio lecture, and found it rather enlightening.




I personally think that the only reason Ali Sina attitude is less hostile to christianity is because he thinks christianity and Judaism is exposed and will fall on its own, (read it on his website somehwere). He Hostility is focused on ISLAM as he thinks it is a threat, but to what kind of threat he percieves ISLAM to be is not neccesarily what he writes (conveys) to his audience.

What I meant about the big bang is that he tried to disprove it (from most of the Muslim sources I've read the big bang is not a threat to our faith, and Gary Miller even says the Quran mentions it) in the least intellectual way possible. The big bang was a very disorderly event, but thanks to the laws of physics, all the stuff was pulled into the order it's in today. We also know that the universe is expanding from science and the Quran, so there must have been a time when it was just a tiny point.

Yes, I even think Gary Miller is better at daawa than Ahmad Deedat!

I don't go on Ali Sina's website, I don't think he deserves a high hit count. If we all ignore new anti-islamic websites, then they will not become popular. Popular ones, however, need to be disproved.

 

[*noor]

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well, the big bang cannot be true.........how could nothing have turned into something by itself??

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

well, the big bang cannot be true.........how could nothing have turned into something by itself??

Science can't explain how or why the big bang happened (all it can explain is that it did), but luckly, religion can. I believe Allah caused it, when He split the Heavens apart.

 

[*noor]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

check this out: http://islamtomorrow.com/bigbang/

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

check this out: http://islamtomorrow.com/bigbang/

I really don't think that discussing this here is going to be of much use. It will just turn into a big debate and ruin our new-found friendships, but, insha'Allaah, I will explain this to you:

First of all, the big bang theory does say that something can come from nothing, but this is only a problem for atheists. When Isa (PBUH) turned the clay bird to a live one with Allah's help, all the chemicals needed for a living bird appeared from nothing, didn't they? Well, couldn't the same thing have happened at the big bang?
Then Yusuf Estes goes on to state that 'before' the big bang there was some solids or gasses. That is nothing like the theory states, according to the big bang theory, there was absolutely nothing 'before' the big bang, no space for anything to exist in, and no time for anything to come to being in. How this stopped is a complete mystery to scientists, except for those who follow the Quran (like I will be one day, insha'Allah).
He also states that there is no evidence for this theory, and compares it with evolution. But in reality, there is plenty of evidence for these things. I suggest that you look up Andya Primanda's site, which is a Muslim website dedicated to showing Muslims the real truth about evolution. Harun Yahya tried to refute him, but he really only refuted part of his work (not very well either), and ignores the rest.

And the rest of the page I refuted by my earlier statement about the big bang. And remember, explosions do cause order out of nothing, such as sound waves. Prehaps the big bang's equivalent to this order is the matter all around us. Or prehaps Allah organised it using another miracle. But we are certain that at one stage, the Heavens were ripped appart violently.
And Allah knows best about these matters.

As I said before, I really don't want to keep discussing these matters here, because it will just turn into a big argument, and I will lose my friends.

Can you give me some advice about some more things:

Where do I pray on a long car journey, when I'm not near a service station?

Can you give me some advice on avoiding TV, music, and games consoles?

How do I persuade my parents not to make me ham sandwiches for lunch?

 

[Tania]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

How do I persuade my parents not to make me ham sandwiches for lunch?

Tell them you just find out how great are the sandwhiches with....and would you like that to have for lunch instead of ham.Parents will never say noo to their children if what they want is not some junk food

 

[*noor]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Can you give me some advice about some more things:

Where do I pray on a long car journey, when I'm not near a service station?

Can you give me some advice on avoiding TV, music, and games consoles?

How do I persuade my parents not to make me ham sandwiches for lunch?

ok let me try to answer these

i have no idea about the car journey....sorry...maybe somebody with more knowledge can answer that one.

to avoid tv, music, and games, listen to quran or do some reading........i sometimes get addicted to them too, listening to quran helps, or you can read a book about something beneficial, maybe about the stories of the prophets or about basics of Islam.

about the ham sandwiches........have you told your parents that you are reverting to Islam yet??

if you have, then tell them that it goes against Islam to eat pork.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

What I meant about the big bang is that he tried to disprove it (from most of the Muslim sources I've read the big bang is not a threat to our faith, and Gary Miller even says the Quran mentions it) in the least intellectual way possible. The big bang was a very disorderly event, but thanks to the laws of physics, all the stuff was pulled into the order it's in today. We also know that the universe is expanding from science and the Quran, so there must have been a time when it was just a tiny point.

Yes, I even think Gary Miller is better at daawa than Ahmad Deedat!

I don't go on Ali Sina's website, I don't think he deserves a high hit count. If we all ignore new anti-islamic websites, then they will not become popular. Popular ones, however, need to be disproved.

EDIT
I did not know Yusuf estes tried to dissapprove the BIG BANG! Maybe I did not read his article on it.


Gary Miller and Ahmed Deedat specialises in more different field and they have a different approach. The succesor of Ahemd Deedat i.e. Dr. Zakir Naik
is more emphasised on comparitive religion, and you can say Gary Miller takes a more logical approach. The underlying message is both are giving dawah, although with a different approach and many has heeded to message and come to the fold of ISLAM. Lets say they give dawah and each are conveying the message to different types of people who may need to be approached differently.

And you are right not to go into anti-islamic sites, all we are doing is getting them to score higher rank in google.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

As I said before, I really don't want to keep discussing these matters here, because it will just turn into a big argument, and I will lose my friends.

Don't worry, you won't lose you freind, this is a scientific enquiry. When you are a muslim your part of this ummah (brotherhood) so set aside your fear, we muslim do have discussion about certain issue, but it does not mean when we disagree on a certain subject matter we leave our brothers. As I said it is a scientific enquiry and has no problem with our religion.

Peace.

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

ok let me try to answer these

i have no idea about the car journey....sorry...maybe somebody with more knowledge can answer that one.

to avoid tv, music, and games, listen to quran or do some reading........i sometimes get addicted to them too, listening to quran helps, or you can read a book about something beneficial, maybe about the stories of the prophets or about basics of Islam.

about the ham sandwiches........have you told your parents that you are reverting to Islam yet??

if you have, then tell them that it goes against Islam to eat pork.

No, I haven't told my parents yet, but alhamdulilah your encoraging posts have got me well on my way. Insha'Allaah I will tell Muslim friends at school first, then, insha'Allaah, they will help me sort things out with my parents. I heard it's a good idea to get a place in the local Muslim community first. Thanks to my stay here, I'm much closer to reverting.

Yes, skillganon (what does skillganon mean anyway?), he decided to change his focus from daawa to psuedoscience. I hope he stops, people won't think much of his skill if he continues.
I find Deedat and Zakir Naik are best at daawa to Christians (and Zakir Naik also does some stuff about Hinduism), whilst Gary Miller does daawa to everybody, his 'The Amazing Quran' essay was truly amazing.

 

[*noor]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

about the ham, tell your parents that you would prefer a chicken sandwich or a turkey sandwhich or a veggie sandwhich for lunch instead..........they're much healthier than ham anyways.

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Don't worry, you won't lose you freind, this is a scientific enquiry. When you are a muslim your part of this ummah (brotherhood) so set aside your fear, we muslim do have discussion about certain issue, but it does not mean when we disagree on a certain subject matter we leave our brothers. As I said it is a scientific enquiry and has no problem with our religion.

Peace.

I was just worried that some people were going to start questioning my faith, because modern origin science has unfortunately got a rather bad reputation in religious circles.

 

[Skillganon]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Yes, skillganon (what does skillganon mean anyway?), he decided to change his focus from daawa to psuedoscience. I hope he stops, people won't think much of his skill if he continues.
I find Deedat and Zakir Naik are best at daawa to Christians (and Zakir Naik also does some stuff about Hinduism), whilst Gary Miller does daawa to everybody, his 'The Amazing Quran' essay was truly amazing.

Skillganon is a character from a fantasy book written by DAVID GEMMELL.

I will read about on Gary Miller's Essay. Thanks for that.

 

[Fishman]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Skillganon is a character from a fantasy book written by DAVID GEMMELL.

I will read about on Gary Miller's Essay. Thanks for that.

Just google it. That's the fastest way to find it, since unfortunately he doesn't have a website.

I wrote a small book (ten pages long) about evolution for a science project recently. I gave a copy of it to my Muslim friend, and I think you will be interested in it too. There are a few mistakes, mostly missed words, but it is largely accurate. Now how would I be able to send it to you?

 

[Muslim Soldier]

Re: reversion help, finally some people to talk to!

Fishman you seem yo know a lot about Islam. Are you really a 'new muslim'?

And I think it would be better if you didnt tell your parents anything about your faith. Do your shahada secretly and be extra nice charming and loving towards your parents.

Hopefully they will see a difference and question you. Then explain to them then