Muslim teacher suspended over handshake

[Lina]

Right, Holland and handshakes don't go very well,

MP Rita Verdonk also made a whole lot of drama when an Imam refused to shake her hand at a 'Learn to know about Imams' field trip.

And I will never forget that shot of her when he refused to shake her hand; priceless.

 

[Isaac]

Its all about muslims, this and muslims that, when will they ever let muslims be. You know since 9/11 not one day has gone past without Islam being mentioned. An stupid reporters can make a bid deal out of someting which a free woman, whom they all seem to be fighting for i.e her rights, but cant make a deal out of the innocent people that are being killed by the very minute in countries like somalia, iraq, afghanistan, the terrorist attacks on muslims in India, the countless islamophobic propganda, the rape and trture of innocent civilans at the hands of western agressors.

So just take it, he sister did not want to shake hands with the male countepart, she was not forced to, she chose not to. She was not opressed, or was she opressing. She simply chose not to for reasons that she holds firm to. Where are the woman rights campainers that fought for the so called opression of women in afghanistan, where are the womens rights groups, that claimed muslim womes were opressed and are being opressed. Here is a scenario, where a muslim woman is being suspened because she fails to regnise the practice of shaking hands with oppiste gendre. If any one is being sexist or opressive its those that are enforcig their ways onto someone who clearly likes to be different. Its that simple.

 

[lolwatever]

^ veeeery tru... well said.. espcially last paragraph

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

The teacher is refusing to adopt the local culture.

Everybody who has ever travelled is happy to follow the local customs - except Muslims.

Then Muslims claim they are being discriminated against. Then wonder why they gat bad press.

I thought u guys believed in freedom...theres no "forcing" in it. If someone prefers their religion rules, why make a big fuss? Her not doing it, wont make much of a difference to the students...
When she wants to follow her religious rules and cant, why can't she feel discrimination?

 

[~Stranger~]

she doesnt want anyone touching her, wheres her freedom?!

masha'allah she chose religion over work, good on her, may Allah bless her and reward her....

 

[Inshallah]

I'm with the sister she doesn't have to if she doesn't want to. Verbal greeting is more than good enough.

 

[Rou]

so would a man be fired for not rubbing noses?? as in some people say hello by rubbing noses so would a male teacher in the same country be fired if he didnt rub noses!???

im guessing not im guessing him shaking hands would be taken as a ok substitute!? however a woman saying a verbal hello and not shaking hands is diffrent?? ignorance and intolerant..

i keep hearing alot of people claiming without any proof that muslims are intolerant however by the looks of everything going on around the world it seems others are the intolerant ones..

no hijab , no refusing of shaking hands ,u read a book written in arabic on a bus or a plane and your most likley a terrorist, grow a beard and you automaticly carry bombs for fun, talk of religon and your backing terrorists...

 

[Littleozzybloke]

hm....i don't know about the rest of the world...but here in oz..it's a natural non-thinking action that we offer our hand in friendship to another...male or female...
and if it is refused, it does come back as a bit of an insult..

but then the eskimo's rub noses....
that's ok too...if they don't have a cold..:giggling:

 

[Malaikah]

^its not a cultural thing though, its a religious thing, males and females strictly arent allowed to have that kind of contact with each other.

i know what you mean though, it can easy be taken the wrong way, especially when people so are so used to shaking hands withthe opposite gender, but i guess if the person just explains why they refused, well then it shouldnt be as bad inshaallah

 

[Chuck]

"supposed to be a good model"
Never thought about shaking hands this way.

Women don't shake hands me... I think I should move to Holland :giggling:

 

[Sis786]

Well i work in a professional environment and i meet with non Muslim men all the time. Most the time i wrap my arms around the file and acknowledge the client with an alternative greeting but the odd occasion the man might put his hand out and i find it rude to refuse.

Allah SWT knows my intention and i hope that i gain his mercy..

But with regards to the article i think that its a shame that this can happen i know that if my client reported me to the boss and even though one of my bosses are Muslim i think they would ask me to shake hands with those that offer!

 

[MetSudaisTwice]

salam
mashallah well said sis
wasalam

 

[lolwatever]

Well i work in a professional environment and i meet with non Muslim men all the time. Most the time i wrap my arms around the file and acknowledge the client with an alternative greeting but the odd occasion the man might put his hand out and i find it rude to refuse.

Allah SWT knows my intention and i hope that i gain his mercy..

But with regards to the article i think that its a shame that this can happen i know that if my client reported me to the boss and even though one of my bosses are Muslim i think they would ask me to shake hands with those that offer!

as in the sis should hav shaked opposite sex hands :?

its not about whether its rude or not.. its called dawah, u could refuse n leave them die with anger.. which is fine... or u could refuse n explain why and that's even better

they considered it rude from the prophet that he didnt compromise even a tiny bit of his religion.. but that just meant more reward, and we benefit from the fruits of that resiliance till today

salamz

 

[Sis786]

as in the sis should hav shaked opposite sex hands :?

its not about whether its rude or not.. its called dawah, u could refuse n leave them die with anger.. which is fine... or u could refuse n explain why and that's even better

they considered it rude from the prophet that he didnt compromise even a tiny bit of his religion.. but that just meant more reward, and we benefit from the fruits of that resiliance till today

salamz

Bro i dont argue with that point i agree with you! But reality is that sometimes in work you are asked to do things that are against your religion, and you have to make a decision im not saying that this is right but its reality.

The Sister in the article i admire and like her i also avoid shaking hands but sometimes you have to attend these meetings and functions and i really try hard but you get the one cocky barrister who shakes hands with everyone. I dont know whats in his heart but i know whats in mine. If i refuse him in front of everyone i will embrasss him and myself.

Maybe im wrong on doing it and i pray that my intentions will be enough to gains Allahs SWT mercy

 

[lolwatever]

Bro i dont argue with that point i agree with you! But reality is that sometimes in work you are asked to do things that are against your religion, and you have to make a decision im not saying that this is right but its reality.

islam is reality sis, part of reality is that tests that Allah gives us aren't always easy... i know for fact some bros who go thru alot of this for example at uni... and really once u get the courage to be upfront about it.. ppl literally get interested about Islam... lol i knwo for fact... it happened with one bro during a uni class.. n it literally ended up a discussion about Islam n they where very intersted... EVEN THO.. it started off with offended faces...

The Sister in the article i admire and like her i also avoid shaking hands but sometimes you have to attend these meetings and functions and i really try hard but you get the one cocky barrister who shakes hands with everyone. I dont know whats in his heart but i know whats in mine. If i refuse him in front of everyone i will embrasss him and myself.

sis, embaressment is something that we feel coz we think its embaressing... its part of the test, but i think when we look at companions like 'rib'ee ibn amir' and how he faced an infinitely more embaressing situation with the KING of persia.... shaking hands is nothinggg compared to it

Maybe im wrong on doing it and i pray that my intentions will be enough to gains Allahs SWT mercy

may allah grant us firmness of heart n make us proud of our deen ameeen.. remember Islam is a way of life, it's all about raelity, not abstract mystic theorems..

 

[Chuck]

The Sister in the article i admire and like her i also avoid shaking hands but sometimes you have to attend these meetings and functions and i really try hard but you get the one cocky barrister who shakes hands with everyone. I dont know whats in his heart but i know whats in mine. If i refuse him in front of everyone i will embrasss him and myself.

The problem with such rules is that they violate personal choice and I find it hypocritical. First of all, shaking hands is a personal thing if somebody doesn't want to shake hands, whatever reason, then it is the person's right.... it doesn't hurt (physically) anyone. Second, if they don't want muslim men/women to avoid shaking hands with opposite gender because it is considered rude then what about rude and insulting caricatures and video against muslims? They can't have it both ways.

 

[wilberhum]

There are many ways to greet some one with respect. Shaking hands is only one. In Japan a slight bow is the common form. Those that think shaking hands is necessary are narrow minded and need go get out of there little box and join the world.

 

[Muezzin]

There are many ways to greet some one with respect. Shaking hands is only one. In Japan a slight bow is the common form. Those that think shaking hands is necessary are narrow minded and need go get out of there little box and join the world.

You're right.

Also, I tend to think situations like the one in the story can be avoided by simply telling people 'sorry, I'm not allowed to do this in my religion because...'. Then if, after giving your reason, you're still treated badly it may well be because the other guy is an ignorant runt rather than because you're 'being difficult'.

I'm not saying the lady in question didn't do this, I'm just saying how you can avoid that kind of misunderstanding in everyday life.

 

[Showkat]

Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

http://www.expatica.com/actual/artic...story_id=35223



AMSTERDAM — A Utrecht school wants to sack a female Muslim teacher who refused to shake hands with men.

The Vader Rijn College has sent the teacher a letter of dismissal, breaching an advisory ruling urging against the teacher's sacking.

The teacher had earlier been suspended after she refused to shake hands with men last summer.

The woman citied religious beliefs for her decision, despite the fact she had previously shaken hands with men.

The director of the vocational VMBO school said the Islamic teacher gave a bad example to students.

The Equal Treatment Commission recently issued an advisory ruling granting the teacher the right to refuse a hand shake.

It said the Utrecht school should not sack her for this reason alone.

Comment:

If refusing to shake hands with the opposite sex means that Muslims give a bad example to students then does that mean that we have to participate in Christmas celebrations, go to parties and free-mix, dance and drink alcohol?

Europe is supposed to be a place where people come fleeing persecution because of its history of tollerance and a place where u can practice your religion and express alternative ideas and opinions without fear.

But in recent years Europe is on its way to becoming a place where only the Secular viewpoint is tollerated and any view based upon religion and especially Islam is clamped down upon.

So we see that the western civilisation is in conflict, not with Islam but with its own philosophy, what is Secularism and what is the implementation of it?

Should this woman be sacked or should she not be sacked? This is the dilemma the Secularists are facing as can be seen from the article.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

I believe this same story was posted here not too long ago. But at the moment I can not find it. So I apologise to all if I have let a duplicate thread slip through.