Muslim teacher suspended over handshake

[Abu Zakariya]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Your comment hit the nail on the head.

 

[SilentObserver]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

 

[Sabriina]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Not really.We dont have to blend in to please the non believer while in the process we displease Allah.It doesnt work like that.

 

[netprince]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Erm er ah

No Thanks

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

^^Roger that. I'd stick in blending in with Islam, but thanx for the offer ;D

 

[SilentObserver]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

The laws of a country are the laws of that country. Why should there be seperate rules for one group of people?

 

[strider]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Getting the sack over refusing to shake a mans hand?! How pathetic.

 

[Chuck]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

What about the right of this women in Islam? I see a lot of people drum rights of women in Islam, where are they now?

 

[Abu Zakariya]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

The laws of a country are the laws of that country. Why should there be seperate rules for one group of people?

Oh come on! Don't try to make this a "Muslims don't want to follow the law of the land"-issue. There's no law that states that women must have physical contact with strange men.

 

[SilentObserver]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Oh come on! Don't try to make this a "Muslims don't want to follow the law of the land"-issue. There's no law that states that women must have physical contact with strange men.

Sorry, let me rephrase. Rules of employment.

 

[Fishman]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Sorry, let me rephrase. Rules of employment.

There are also rules which say that anybody can follow their own faith except if it involves harming people...

 

[SilentObserver]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

There are also rules which say that anybody can follow their own faith except if it involves harming people...

Not neccessarily at the expense of the integrity of the rules made for the population as a whole.

 

[strider]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Not neccessarily at the expense of the integrity of the rules made for the population as a whole.

Enlighten all the perplexed folk, what harm shall come by a woman politely refusing to shake your hand?

 

[Fishman]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Not neccessarily at the expense of the integrity of the rules made for the population as a whole.

That is one of the rules made for the population as a whole. It's called a human right.

 

[SilentObserver]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Enlighten all the perplexed folk, what harm shall come by a woman politely refusing to shake your hand?

Rules are rules. If the rules state that it is mandatory to shake hands, then you must shake hands as a term of employment. No special treatment. Why should she not follow the rules that everyone else must?

 

[netprince]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Rules are rules. If the rules state that it is mandatory to shake hands, then you must shake hands as a term of employment. No special treatment. Why should she not follow the rules that everyone else must?

The issue isnt with rules, the issue is with new rules being created to discriminate against muslims.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Rules are rules. If the rules state that it is mandatory to shake hands, then you must shake hands as a term of employment. No special treatment. Why should she not follow the rules that everyone else must?

For the same reason that a woman should not be subjected to sexual harasment of any form by her employer. Mandatory hand shaking is sexual harassment of a Muslim. Body contact no matter how slight should never be a condition of employment.

 

[Fishman]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Rules are rules. If the rules state that it is mandatory to shake hands, then you must shake hands as a term of employment. No special treatment. Why should she not follow the rules that everyone else must?

Because we all have the human right of religious freedom. And if an organisation violates that they are liable to be sued to pieces. Soliders have to have their hair cut in a specific manner. But Sikh soldiers don't, because their right to freedom of religion. As long as it is not impossible for practical reasons (people who work in dangerous factories can't wear flowing robes), anybody is entitled to their right to religious freedom.

 

[netprince]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

Everybody is equal, except some are more equal than others.

 

[SilentObserver]

Re: Netherlands: Islamic teacher sacked over hand shake

The issue isnt with rules, the issue is with new rules being created to discriminate against muslims.

I didn't see anything about new rules being created to do this. The only new rule being created was by the '"Equal" Treatment Commision', an advisory contradicting the old rule by the school. The advisory ruled that she should not be sacked. This statement is in line with part of the muslim victim role that a few of you see yourselves in. It is getting to be a bit boring.

For the same reason that a woman should not be subjected to sexual harasment of any form by her employer. Mandatory hand shaking is sexual harassment of a Muslim. Body contact no matter how slight should never be a condition of employment.

To some extent I agree with parts of this.

Because we all have the human right of religious freedom. And if an organisation violates that they are liable to be sued to pieces. Soliders have to have their hair cut in a specific manner. But Sikh soldiers don't, because their right to freedom of religion. As long as it is not impossible for practical reasons (people who work in dangerous factories can't wear flowing robes), anybody is entitled to their right to religious freedom.

These exceptions are allowed in some countries and organizations and not others. Personally, I strongly disagree with the exceptions, and actively oppose them.