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Salaam/peace ,
iqbal_soofi said:
... They want the people to forget about their country for the sake of Islam. .
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I don't know what u r talking about. I m not asking Pakistanis to destroy their country or do any negative thing.


Pak Army massacred their own citizen , soldiers gang raped Muslim sisters in Bangladesh . If they aplogies for their sins , it will increase their image , it will help to build a good relationship between 2 Muslim nations.

Moreover , Allah will surely love those who truely repent not only by saying that ok , i m sorry / well , ok , i guess , we committed a sin etc but do their best to compensate the oppressed people/victims.



never forward this kind of propositions to others on the forums, please.[/
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if u explain ur comment , then i can answer to this.

 
Muslim Woman said:




Salaam/peace ,


I don't know what u r talking about. I m not asking Pakistanis to destroy their country or do any negative thing.


Pak Army massacred their own citizen , soldiers gang raped Muslim sisters in Bangladesh . If they aplogies for their sins , it will increase their image , it will help to build a good relationship between 2 Muslim nations.

Moreover , Allah will surely love those who truely repent not only by saying that ok , i m sorry / well , ok , i guess , we committed a sin etc but do their best to compensate the oppressed people/victims.
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You know the army generals are very arrogant and have no political wisdom. We shouldn't expect them to repent on their blunders. They've already shifted the blame on outside powers, politicians and the people. They always think that they're very smart. Unfortunately, we've no choice but to give the command of the gun in their hands. It's not only in Pakistan that they've invaded the political corridors, but in Bangladesh where there was almost no generals before 1971 people are facing the same kind of arrogance of their generals who are playing the same kind of games as their Pakistani counter parts.

Muslim Woman said:


if u explain ur comment , then i can answer to this.
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I've repeatedly said that Islam and country are two different things and both have their importance in the life a Muslim. There's no confrontation or conflict in the two. With Islam the Muslims can make their countries better than others. If you are told to loose your country for the sake of Islam, then it's a misguidance. It's this misguided propaganda which I request you not to forward to others.
 
The problems span from the root to the shoot.

I get upset talking about this stuff, hurts to see your own people in that sort of condition.

May Allah guide our leaders and the awaam, to righteousness and that which pleases Him. Ameen
 
abu abdurrahman said:
The problems span from the root to the shoot.

I get upset talking about this stuff, hurts to see your own people in that sort of condition.

May Allah guide our leaders and the awaam, to righteousness and that which pleases Him. Ameen
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The recent incidents in Pakistan make me very hopeful of the awam. They showed how badly they want a good leadership. Their support to Bar and Bench for the cause of the supremacy of law and constitution would make Pakistan a democratic country in the real sense of the word.
 
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Salaam/peace ,

. With Islam the Muslims can make their countries better than others.
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--sure. But if leaders are wrong , people must not be misguided.

Pak soldiers are responsible for mass killing & mass rape in Bangladesh. I failed to understand why it's not right to ask them to show their repentance ( if they are repented at all ) & pay the victims .

They can at least pay zakat once in their life time as a token to one rape victim / murdered family.


I guess , those criminal soldiers are now 60 + . Only Allah knows , how long they will live. So , the soon they understand that they committed war crimes against their fellow Muslim brothers & sisters & do something about it , surely it will be better for their life hereafter.




If you are told to loose your country for the sake of Islam, then it's a misguidance.
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But I m not asking Pak people to leave /loose or destroy their country. I m asking to repent & compensate the victims .



If Pak people do that , Insha Allah , they will be benefitted on the Last Day. If we can't stop the oppressor , at least we must not support them just because they are my country men / leaders.



In the year 1971 , few Pak citizens very bravely protested against their Govt . decision ....may Allah reward them. Now , it's time for other Pak people not to sit idle anymore & do something.


Avoid the issue is not the solution.

It's this misguided propaganda which I request you not to forward to others.
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u have to explain more ....i again failed to understand ur point :(


for All : If u want to know about war ethics in Islam.


"Ordainments, Rules, and Lessons of War in Quran" & other holy Books

http://theislampath.com/smf/index.php?topic=455.0

Pl. let me know if anybody wants to know about the short history of 1971 war.

 
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wilberhum said:
Are you happy because they kidnapped the policemen? Or are you happy they released two, or that they still have two? Now are they only half the criminals they use to be?
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Everybody knows the gov't is corrupt and especially the Intelligence agency that randomly arrests people who are never heard of again. They took 11 students. The institution had every right to defend their students. You won't understand because you grew up in a system where any such defiance to the gov't authority means hard hand clamp on you and dire consequences. This is the democracy and true justice in these lands, where the people have enough power to take justice if its not given to them. btw, are you here to stir trouble?
 
islamirama said:
Everybody knows the gov't is corrupt and especially the Intelligence agency that randomly arrests people who are never heard of again. They took 11 students. The institution had every right to defend their students. You won't understand because you grew up in a system where any such defiance to the gov't authority means hard hand clamp on you and dire consequences. This is the democracy and true justice in these lands, where the people have enough power to take justice if its not given to them. btw, are you here to stir trouble?
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So that justifies kidnapping? I guess you have to be there.
btw: No, just standing up for equality and reality.
 
As I have said before that I f I were in government I will have martial Law declared in current circumstances and issue orders to shoot rioters and kidnapers on sight that will soon send these terrorists to their paradise and 72 virgins. It will be like days when India and Iran tried to seperate Baluchistan from us after you shoot a few hundred the rest will soon fall back into line
 
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DIL DIL PAKISTAN! JAAN JAAN PAKISTAN

since this is a general chat.. can we please have some peace.. aman?

come on peeps.. whats with the aggro!
 
iwuvaziaf said:
DIL DIL PAKISTAN! JAAN JAAN PAKISTAN

since this is a general chat.. can we please have some peace.. aman?

come on peeps.. whats with the aggro!
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Sure. We can have peace and some fun too.

The war is already over. Let's pray that there's no more civil war in the country. The dictators still want to do the blood shed because they feel that they're going to be over thrown by the public. Let's find out ways and means to get rid of em peacefully.
 
can we talk about peshawar now?!?! yeah man! nwfp rocks! calm and collective people.. the less polluted city of pakistan and close ally to afghanistan ;)

brap brap!!!

well sed islamirama bruv.. imposters please stand up .. yes yes!

masalama
 
iwuvaziaf said:
can we talk about peshawar now?!?! yeah man! nwfp rocks! calm and collective people.. the less polluted city of pakistan and close ally to afghanistan ;)

brap brap!!!

well sed islamirama bruv.. imposters please stand up .. yes yes!

masalama
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Why they named it Qisa Khawani Bazaar in Peshwar?
 
The thread starter was asking about current events in Pakistan rather than historical events. By all means start a new thread about the latter, but this thread is about Pakistan's present and future rather than its past.
 
Muezzin said:
The thread starter was asking about current events in Pakistan rather than historical events. By all means start a new thread about the latter, but this thread is about Pakistan's present and future rather than its past.
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The present and future of Pakistan is not any different from its past. The same kind of incidents keep repeating. The military dictators got the same kind of training and same mental aptitude. Therefore, by studying the past events especially those made the dictators one can easily find a lot of similarities in the present. Since the military is very strong in Pakistan, therefore the future is not going to change much in Pakistan. Due to the arrogant attitude of the dictators, the similar kind of incidents would keep repeating.
 
i am waking up this thread from its deep slumber because this is news. i haven't heard much about the lal masjid situation for awhile.
[the new york times also has an article on the subject, but i'm not sure if you can get it if you are not a subscriber. the link for that is:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/w...cc532b639&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss


Troops seal off Pakistani mosque after 11 killed

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/Ne...093220Z_01_NOOTR_RTRMDNC_0_India-283088-4.xml
just the first few paragraphs.


By Augustine Anthony

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistani troops sealed off the area around a mosque in the capital and imposed a 24-hour curfew on Wednesday after 11 people were killed in clashes between security forces and militant Islamic students.

Violence erupted on Tuesday after a months-long stand-off between a Taliban-style movement headquartered at Lal Masjid, or Red Mosque, less than a couple of kilometres from parliament and a protected enclave for foreign embassies.

As the gunfire died down overnight, soldiers moved 12 armoured personnel carriers, mounted with machineguns, into the area shortly before dawn.

Power was cut off in the neighbourhood, barbed wire was placed on surrounding streets, and journalists were expelled from the area.

Deputy Interior Minister Zafar Warraich told a news conference that no action would be taken against students who lay down their weapons and surrender, but anyone who tried to fight would be shot.

"A bullet will be responded with by a bullet," he said.

The Interior Ministry said nine people had been killed, but Islamabad hospital officials later said the toll was 11. About 150 people were taken to hospital, 30 with bullet wounds, others suffering from the effects of tear gas.
 
jis baat ka darr tha wohi hua ... Allah khair kurrey. things getting worse day by day. both sides are wrong in their way (government as well as lal masjid walay).
 
Salamoalaikum,

My mother's in Isb currently. I called her up today to ask if there r any problems around her area. But she told me that it's peaceful where she is. In short it's happening mostly around the G6 area of Laal Masjid. Geo Tv is showing a lot of the news in detail as well.

The government has given them a short notice to leave the mosque. This time will end aprox. 15-20 min from now.

INshallah Khair
 
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