al-Qaida in Iraq

[Keltoi]

Yesterday's friends, today's enemies.

Bin Laden and saddam don't go together at all. Saddam loved his secular rule and bin laden wanted kuffars out of Muslim lands, two totally different ideologies. Only the naive and ignorant believe US when it tries to link bin laden to saddam so pathetically.

There is no link between Saddam and Bin Laden that we know of, that has been repeated by the U.S. government numerous times since that claim was first put forward during the buildup for the war.

 

[islamirama]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] The Bush administration's claim that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had ties to al-Qaida - one of the administration's central arguments for a pre-emptive war - appears to have been based on even less solid intelligence than the administration's claims that Iraq had hidden stocks of chemical and biological weapons.

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Nearly a year after U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq, no evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam's links with al-Qaida, and several key parts of the administration's case have either proved false or seem increasingly doubtful. [/FONT]

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0303-01.htm


also,

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

There is no link between Saddam and Bin Laden that we know of, that has been repeated by the U.S. government numerous times since that claim was first put forward during the buildup for the war.

You were saying?

 

[Keltoi]

I remember watching a Defense Department briefing sometime in 2003 where this question was raised. Donald Rumsfeld answered the question by pointing out that Al-Qaeda operatives met with Iraqi officials somewhere in Europe, can't remember the country, but I think it was in Prague. Anyway, the point being that he also stated there was no concrete connection between the Hussein regime and Bin Laden. That was four years ago. Yes, Dick Cheney liked to raise the issue. I'm not sure what he was basing this on besides the meeting in Europe, but he is a stubborn man.

 

[islamirama]

I remember watching a Defense Department briefing sometime in 2003 where this question was raised. Donald Rumsfeld answered the question by pointing out that Al-Qaeda operatives met with Iraqi officials somewhere in Europe, can't remember the country, but I think it was in Prague. Anyway, the point being that he also stated there was no concrete connection between the Hussein regime and Bin Laden. That was four years ago. Yes, Dick Cheney liked to raise the issue. I'm not sure what he was basing this on besides the meeting in Europe, but he is a stubborn man.

nonetheless, "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, WAS one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

 

[MTAFFI]

What does it really matter if Iraq or Al-Qaida had any affiliation? They both wanted to cause the US harm. That is why they were attacked, and that is why many of their leaders have died since... whether or not the US considered OBL an ally or helped Saddam in Iran or whatever historical affiliation you may be able to attach to current events it bears no real weight since from that time Al-Qaida attacked the US and Saddam threatened the use of WMD and biological warfare, both of which are more than enough reason to kill them all to protect our citizens. Put that in your quote and smoke it

 

[islamirama]

What does it really matter if Iraq or Al-Qaida had any affiliation? They both wanted to cause the US harm. That is why they were attacked, and that is why many of their leaders have died since... whether or not the US considered OBL an ally or helped Saddam in Iran or whatever historical affiliation you may be able to attach to current events it bears no real weight since from that time Al-Qaida attacked the US and Saddam threatened the use of WMD and biological warfare, both of which are more than enough reason to kill them all to protect our citizens. Put that in your quote and smoke it

qaida "supposedly" attacked, with well over 50% of americans now doubtful of that "fact" and want gov't investigation. (don't ask me, look it up yourself).

And do tell us, how and when did saddam attack "us"?

Saddam "threatened" to use WMD, which as we found out was as a big lie as was the evidence of him having some in the first place.

You are paranoid who want to kill everyone that you think wants to attack you. While we Muslims have a reason to attack you, you don't make threats but already are attacking us in the Muslim world. Oh and the majority of the world wants to attack you cuz they hate US, are you going to the bomb the whole world?

 

[MTAFFI]

qaida "supposedly" attacked, with well over 50% of americans now doubtful of that "fact" and want gov't investigation. (don't ask me, look it up yourself).

This is a lie and is based on nothing, please give a link that shows the 50% of Americans, I know I was never polled in regards to this. Al-Qaida has claimed the bombings on mulitple levels at many different times. Everyone except people like you know that

And do tell us, how and when did saddam attack "us"?

Saddam "threatened" to use WMD, which as we found out was as a big lie as was the evidence of him having some in the first place.

I didnt say Saddam attacked us, I said he threatened to, which was his mistake wasnt it? Now look at him..lol.. Those who share his goal will share his fate. When the president of the US says we are going to nuke the middle east you let me know and I will guarantee you that there would be a preemtive strike on the US

You are paranoid who want to kill everyone that you think wants to attack you. While we Muslims have a reason to attack you, you don't make threats but already are attacking us in the Muslim world. Oh and the majority of the world wants to attack you cuz they hate US, are you going to the bomb the whole world?

I would like to kill everyone who would like to attack my country, they threaten my security I see no reason for them to be around. You "Muslims" or those who claim to be, attacked the US first, what you see in the middle east today is a response to that. And you are right, we dont make threats, we act when necessary, please show me how the US started these wars. As for you comment on the majority of the world wants to attack the US, I think you must be confused, the majority of the world helped the US attack, so get your facts right instead of spewing garbage all the time. I would be willing to bet more people despise Muslims in the world today than US citizens. Why do you think your rights are being taken away everywhere, oh yeah because of the actions of many of your brothers and sisters, no one wants you in their land anymore.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

Al qaeda is doing the right thing by killing the US military men,i sincerely hope more and more will unite to fight the foreign invaders.

But the problem lies not in Al Qaeda but in US policies.

They do not want the SHiites to gain power,but nor do they want the Sunni to retrun to power.

****tes are the majority while the Sunni were the one "evil" as propaganda by the west.

So in all this,the Iraqis should unite,sunni and ****te and defend their land from all invaders before settling civil dispute.

 

[Zulkiflim]

Salaam,

Al qaeda is doing the right thing by killing the US military men,i sincerely hope more and more will unite to fight the foreign invaders.

But the problem lies not in Al Qaeda but in US policies.

They do not want the SHiites to gain power,but nor do they want the Sunni to retrun to power.

****tes are the majority while the Sunni were the one "evil" as propaganda by the west.

So in all this,the Iraqis should unite,sunni and ****te and defend their land from all invaders before settling civil dispute.

 

[islamirama]

double post....

 

[islamirama]

This is a lie and is based on nothing, please give a link that shows the 50% of Americans, I know I was never polled in regards to this. Al-Qaida has claimed the bombings on mulitple levels at many different times. Everyone except people like you know that

I grow tired of providing proofs which later are either dismissed or the inquire goes mute and picks another point to attack and dwell on. Except the facts and get a grip on reality already! Oh and please educate yourself about all this before you come on the forums to talk!

CNN.com - Poll: More Americans blame Bush for 9/11 - Sep 11, 2006

Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy | ScrippsNews

Was 9/11 an 'inside job'?

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Poll Finds Almost 90% of US Troops Think Iraq War is Retaliation for 9/11​

"A LeMoyne College/Zogby International poll shows that high numbers of troops serving in Iraq believe that the war is a response to the now discredited belief that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 or had substantial links to al Qaeda."

http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

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Pentagon survey: US Iraq troops 'condone torture'

A US survey of battlefield ethics among troops in Iraq has found widespread tolerance for torture in certain circumstances and problems with morale.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6627055.stm

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Insurgents in Iraq are right to try to force US troops out of the country, a former British army commander has said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6618075.stm

Gen Sir Michael Rose also told the BBC's Newsnight programme that the US and the UK must "admit defeat" and stop fighting "a hopeless war" in Iraq.

I didnt say Saddam attacked us, I said he threatened to, which was his mistake wasnt it? Now look at him..lol.. Those who share his goal will share his fate. When the president of the US says we are going to nuke the middle east you let me know and I will guarantee you that there would be a preemtive strike on the US

So you going to kill everyone that threatens you? What could a man sitting half way across the world do to the most powerful nation? US attaked Saddam for national interests and oil, what else can you expect from greedy pigs.

I would like to kill everyone who would like to attack my country, they threaten my security I see no reason for them to be around. You "Muslims" or those who claim to be, attacked the US first, what you see in the middle east today is a response to that. And you are right, we dont make threats, we act when necessary, please show me how the US started these wars. As for you comment on the majority of the world wants to attack the US, I think you must be confused, the majority of the world helped the US attack, so get your facts right instead of spewing garbage all the time. I would be willing to bet more people despise Muslims in the world today than US citizens. Why do you think your rights are being taken away everywhere, oh yeah because of the actions of many of your brothers and sisters, no one wants you in their land anymore.

Thanks for sharing that, shows what the average American thinks of others and value of life. US has meddled in Muslim world far too much with out much retaliation. They like to put puppet leaders and US friendly regimes in place for it’s on national interest. Bin Laden never did 9-11 now was interested in coming to the Kuffar land, all he demanded and wanted was kuffars to leave HIS land.


How many US military bases are in the Muslim world? What purpose do they have there? How much would US support any gov’ts base in the US? Majority of the world was against the attacks and US crusade in the Middle East, a few allies helped US wage the war. But when you have bullies and tyrants like Blair, Bush and, Sharon, and UN running the world, many nations are a bit afraid to speak up. Look up on the net how many attacks are made on the US Gov’t systems online in a day alone from other countries. Those who can’t attack openly do so by online. And don’t ask me for statistics on that either, go search yourself. When Americans and their leaders stop acting like ethenocentric war mongers, then there will be peace in the world.

 

[islamirama]

Salaam,

Al qaeda is doing the right thing by killing the US military men,i sincerely hope more and more will unite to fight the foreign invaders.

But the problem lies not in Al Qaeda but in US policies.

They do not want the SHiites to gain power,but nor do they want the Sunni to retrun to power.

****tes are the majority while the Sunni were the one "evil" as propaganda by the west.

So in all this,the Iraqis should unite,sunni and ****te and defend their land from all invaders before settling civil dispute.

Poll: Muslims Believe US Seeks to Undermine Islam

Majorities Want US Forces Out of Islamic Countries
And Approve of Attacks on US Troops

Large Majorities Agree With Many Goals of Al Qaeda
But Oppose Attacks on Civilians

Most Support Enhancing Role of Islam in Their Society,
But Also Favor Globalization and Democracy


http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/346.php?nid=&id=&pnt=346&lb=hmpg2



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http://www.zogby.com/NEWS/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

World View of US Role Goes From Bad to Worse​

The US military presence in the Middle East is exceedingly unpopular. In 23 of 25 countries the most common view is that it “provokes more conflict than it prevents.” While in only one country (Nigeria) is the most common view that the US presence is stabilizing.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...nt=306&lb=btis

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Survey Finds Suspicion of US in Islamic World Body:​

An average of more than 75 percent of respondents across the four countries – Egypt, Morocco, and the world's two most populous Muslim nations, Indonesia and Pakistan – said they believed that dividing and weakening the Islamic world and maintaining control over Middle East oil were key goals of U.S. foreign policy, according to the survey by the University of Maryland (UM) and WorldPublicOpinion.org (WPO).

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/apr07/START_Apr07_rpt.pdf

 

[yahia12]

Nobody is suprised

Al qaida is like a virus spreading rapidly.

 

[MTAFFI]

I grow tired of providing proofs which later are either dismissed or the inquire goes mute and picks another point to attack and dwell on. Except the facts and get a grip on reality already! Oh and please educate yourself about all this before you come on the forums to talk!

Wow! This is going to be really fun to respond to. I think the reason that most people probably dont respond to your post about this garbage is because it is completely idiotic.

CNN.com - Poll: More Americans blame Bush for 9/11 - Sep 11, 2006

Ok this one is easy, the news article states that it is the Bush and Clinton administration that were part of the cause of 9/11, not that they actually blew the buildings up. To say that this is "proof" that the US blew up there own buildings is your imagination running wild

Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy | ScrippsNews

Was 9/11 an 'inside job'?

ok an Ohio university polled 1,010 people, there are 300,000,000 people in the US, what in the world makes you think that this represents the 1/3 of the US peoples view? Let me tell you something my friend, if 9/11 were an inside job, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, etc would be all over it, the fact is that is just didnt happen. As far as your theory here that somehow 333 people out of 1010 people represent the entire country, it is laughable. I will stop there though because I am pretty sure this one has been and can easily be shown as false.

"A LeMoyne College/Zogby International poll shows that high numbers of troops serving in Iraq believe that the war is a response to the now discredited belief that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 or had substantial links to al Qaeda."

Why is this news? Yes the initial information that there were WMD in Iraq turned out wrong, but here is the thing, SH threatened many times over an attack with these types of weapons, therefore he was a potential threat. The fact that they werent there (or I could throw out the conspiracy theory that they were moved before troops got them, but I wont stoop to your level) means nothing, the man was a threat to everyone around him and the US. And whether or not he had them is irrelevant, at the very least he was a very very good candidate to be used by Al-Qaida as a government conduit for their operations.

A US survey of battlefield ethics among troops in Iraq has found widespread tolerance for torture in certain circumstances and problems with morale.

I wonder what the ethics of the Al-Qaeda and other fighters in Iraq might be found to be? It is obvious that it is a brutal enemy, which means that we must adapt and use similar tactics to show we are not to be messed with, this is war, not a tea party, nasty bad things happen in war. What is your point?

Insurgents in Iraq are right to try to force US troops out of the country[/COLOR], a former British army commander has said.

I would agree with this if it said the Iraqi people. The insurgents are just as much foreign invaders as the US is, I would bet if you polled the Iraqis they would take the US troops over the insurgents anyways. The deaths caused by these insurgents is many many many many times higher than that caused by US troops.

Gen Sir Michael Rose also told the BBC's Newsnight programme that the US and the UK must "admit defeat" and stop fighting "a hopeless war" in Iraq.

I dont think that there is defeat for the US, but the war is hopeless. I would love to leave Iraq and let these people jsut keep killing each other, heck they are eliminating themselves, they dont seem to need any help.

So you going to kill everyone that threatens you? What could a man sitting half way across the world do to the most powerful nation? US attaked Saddam for national interests and oil, what else can you expect from greedy pigs.

Yes, kill anyone that threatens us. There is no need to threaten the US, we have never invaded any country unprovoked. So if you threaten then you ask for it. What could he do? Well if he had what he said he could pass it to terrorists or launch an attack himself and cause many more deaths than that of 9/11. As for your last statement, it shows your complete ignorance. Show me one drop of free, reduced price, etc. oil that has come from Iraq...LOL It truly does show your mindset and your level of intelligence. The information about price and amounts of oil the US recieves from various country is public information, look it up and get your facts straight so you can stop looking uneducated.

Thanks for sharing that, shows what the average American thinks of others and value of life. US has meddled in Muslim world far too much with out much retaliation. They like to put puppet leaders and US friendly regimes in place for it’s on national interest. Bin Laden never did 9-11 now was interested in coming to the Kuffar land, all he demanded and wanted was kuffars to leave HIS land.

Yes, the value of my life, to me, is higher than that of the one who threatens me. I would think anyone would agree with that. I wont respond to puppet leaders because really what is the difference between those we have helped to power and those who have taken, usually the countries that the US helps live in peace with the world, the others do not.

As far as bin Laden, let me let you in on a little secret, he is an outcast from his own country. His country requested the US come to their land and help them, it was not bin Ladens decision to make. His attack was unprovoked and was the work of a psychotic. If he wanted the US to leave his country, he should have appealed to officials. (by the way I think you are using the term kuffar out of context, I am told that only polytheist are Kuffar, and the US is more of a Christian country, but please let me know if you are using it in a derogatory sense, because there are plenty of things I could call your people)

How many US military bases are in the Muslim world? What purpose do they have there? How much would US support any gov’ts base in the US? Majority of the world was against the attacks and US crusade in the Middle East, a few allies helped US wage the war. But when you have bullies and tyrants like Blair, Bush and, Sharon, and UN running the world, many nations are a bit afraid to speak up. Look up on the net how many attacks are made on the US Gov’t systems online in a day alone from other countries. Those who can’t attack openly do so by online. And don’t ask me for statistics on that either, go search yourself. When Americans and their leaders stop acting like ethenocentric war mongers, then there will be peace in the world.

There are currently 16 bases in the middle east for the US, but that is only while we are at war and these bases are leased to US by allies. What is it your concern, they have not taken these bases, they were offered to them. If a country needed the US as a base in a war situation the US would help, as long as that country was an allie with the US.

I am not really sure what to think when you say majority, because of your ridiculousness above with your statistics. You speak of attacks on the US govt systems, this is more nonsense, there may be people attempting to breach security but they never or rarely do, and that doesnt mean that everyone is doing it, there are 6 billion people in the world, think about it, if there were 1000 different people each day "attacking" it that is barely a percentage, and could easily come from one country or even one terror group.

When people like you stop blaming everyone else for their problems and come to grip with reality, then the world will come to peace. When your Muslim people stop attacking our embassies, buildings and people, then there will be peace. When Muslims in general stop acting like they have nothing to do with the problems in the world today, then there will be peace. You use the word ethnocentric, and it is funny because throughout your people history you are absolutely the most ethnocentric people ever to walk the earth.

Please dont respond with anymore of your garbage, next time bring something realistic.:rant: :grumbling

 

[islamirama]

Wow! This is going to be really fun to respond to. I think the reason that most people probably dont respond to your post about this garbage is because it is completely idiotic.


Ok this one is easy, the news article states that it is the Bush and Clinton administration that were part of the cause of 9/11, not that they actually blew the buildings up. To say that this is "proof" that the US blew up there own buildings is your imagination running wild

ok an Ohio university polled 1,010 people, there are 300,000,000 people in the US, what in the world makes you think that this represents the 1/3 of the US peoples view? Let me tell you something my friend, if 9/11 were an inside job, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, etc would be all over it, the fact is that is just didnt happen. As far as your theory here that somehow 333 people out of 1010 people represent the entire country, it is laughable. I will stop there though because I am pretty sure this one has been and can easily be shown as false.


Why is this news? Yes the initial information that there were WMD in Iraq turned out wrong, but here is the thing, SH threatened many times over an attack with these types of weapons, therefore he was a potential threat. The fact that they werent there (or I could throw out the conspiracy theory that they were moved before troops got them, but I wont stoop to your level) means nothing, the man was a threat to everyone around him and the US. And whether or not he had them is irrelevant, at the very least he was a very very good candidate to be used by Al-Qaida as a government conduit for their operations.


I wonder what the ethics of the Al-Qaeda and other fighters in Iraq might be found to be? It is obvious that it is a brutal enemy, which means that we must adapt and use similar tactics to show we are not to be messed with, this is war, not a tea party, nasty bad things happen in war. What is your point?


I would agree with this if it said the Iraqi people. The insurgents are just as much foreign invaders as the US is, I would bet if you polled the Iraqis they would take the US troops over the insurgents anyways. The deaths caused by these insurgents is many many many many times higher than that caused by US troops.


I dont think that there is defeat for the US, but the war is hopeless. I would love to leave Iraq and let these people jsut keep killing each other, heck they are eliminating themselves, they dont seem to need any help.


Yes, kill anyone that threatens us. There is no need to threaten the US, we have never invaded any country unprovoked. So if you threaten then you ask for it. What could he do? Well if he had what he said he could pass it to terrorists or launch an attack himself and cause many more deaths than that of 9/11. As for your last statement, it shows your complete ignorance. Show me one drop of free, reduced price, etc. oil that has come from Iraq...LOL It truly does show your mindset and your level of intelligence. The information about price and amounts of oil the US recieves from various country is public information, look it up and get your facts straight so you can stop looking uneducated.


Yes, the value of my life, to me, is higher than that of the one who threatens me. I would think anyone would agree with that. I wont respond to puppet leaders because really what is the difference between those we have helped to power and those who have taken, usually the countries that the US helps live in peace with the world, the others do not.

As far as bin Laden, let me let you in on a little secret, he is an outcast from his own country. His country requested the US come to their land and help them, it was not bin Ladens decision to make. His attack was unprovoked and was the work of a psychotic. If he wanted the US to leave his country, he should have appealed to officials. (by the way I think you are using the term kuffar out of context, I am told that only polytheist are Kuffar, and the US is more of a Christian country, but please let me know if you are using it in a derogatory sense, because there are plenty of things I could call your people)



There are currently 16 bases in the middle east for the US, but that is only while we are at war and these bases are leased to US by allies. What is it your concern, they have not taken these bases, they were offered to them. If a country needed the US as a base in a war situation the US would help, as long as that country was an allie with the US.

I am not really sure what to think when you say majority, because of your ridiculousness above with your statistics. You speak of attacks on the US govt systems, this is more nonsense, there may be people attempting to breach security but they never or rarely do, and that doesnt mean that everyone is doing it, there are 6 billion people in the world, think about it, if there were 1000 different people each day "attacking" it that is barely a percentage, and could easily come from one country or even one terror group.

When people like you stop blaming everyone else for their problems and come to grip with reality, then the world will come to peace. When your Muslim people stop attacking our embassies, buildings and people, then there will be peace. When Muslims in general stop acting like they have nothing to do with the problems in the world today, then there will be peace. You use the word ethnocentric, and it is funny because throughout your people history you are absolutely the most ethnocentric people ever to walk the earth.

Please dont respond with anymore of your garbage, next time bring something realistic.:rant: :grumbling

talking to you is like talking to a monkey. You can continue believing what your king kong tells you and continue making excuses and try to defend against anything that is put forth. You don't even believe what your top allies, polls of americans, and other people have said. It's an illegal war based on lies of WMD and nothing more. If Uk or other ally was attacked US would run to their help, same goes for Muslims. You attack iraq then Muslims from other nations will go fight and help their fellow muslims. The many many killings happening there are done by your troops who blow up cars in markets to blame the sunni vs shia. Anyways, now that i see what a typical american you are, no use talking to you on such issues with your closed mind.

 

[islamirama]

War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal


Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan


Army chiefs feared Iraq war illegal just days before start


Former UN Chief Weapons Inspector Hans Blix: Iraq War Was Illegal


Bush and Saddam Should Both Stand Trial for War Crimes, Says Nuremberg Prosecutor

 

[Keltoi]

This thread should probably be closed. It has become a thread of conspiracy theories and propoganda links.

 

[islamirama]

This thread should probably be closed. It has become a thread of conspiracy theories and propoganda links.

If you call news from BBC and other credible sources as conspiracy theories then yes we should close this thread, as there is nothing left to discuss after this.

 

[MTAFFI]

talking to you is like talking to a monkey. You can continue believing what your king kong tells you and continue making excuses and try to defend against anything that is put forth. You don't even believe what your top allies, polls of americans, and other people have said. It's an illegal war based on lies of WMD and nothing more. If Uk or other ally was attacked US would run to their help, same goes for Muslims. You attack iraq then Muslims from other nations will go fight and help their fellow muslims. The many many killings happening there are done by your troops who blow up cars in markets to blame the sunni vs shia. Anyways, now that i see what a typical american you are, no use talking to you on such issues with your closed mind.

talking to me is like talking to a monkey??!! LOL that is again laughable.. You provided links which I thoroughly explained and proved to be either inaccurate or an incomplete poll of the american public, so what is so difficult to understand about that to you? You now state that the government controls the media, again you show you are just another crazy. You quoted from BBC, are they not "king kong" as well, or are they only controlled by the government when they say things you dont like? I believe you are just another brainwashed conspiracy theorist. The fact that some ex generals or ex military personel disagree with the war has no bearing on whether the war is illegal according to international law. You again seem to forget that the US was attacked first. And yes you are right if the US were attack other COUNTRIES would stick their neck out for the US, to bad Muslims countries hide behind their mysterious insurgents, at least we are man enough to show ourselves when we fight. Then you go on to talk about US troops are the ones setting off the car bombs, but guess what, the insurgency claims these attacks, almost everytime, with their finger pointing internet clips with a sheet behind them, or is that all staged too? Not only that but if the US wanted to kill everyone in Iraq, and all the Muslims, why do we continue to try and mediate and police Iraq? Why would we not just go in the air and by water and destroy them all, save our money, and take their oil, that would be logical if it were the objective, however it is not and that it what makes you look like such a narrowminded fool. I find you final statement extremely intriguing, you call me a "typical" american but yet in two of your last posts you stated that most americans (50% and 1/3) would disagree with my views. Then you call me closed minded...lol... are you not arguing the same? You are incredibly _______ (fill in the blank):happy: I am no more closed minded than you my friend I just choose to believe the more firm and founded set of facts while you choose to believe the nonsensical garbage that suits your own personal interests. Again I will tell you, believing the US is the problem here, is not going to solve it. Right now these "Muslim groups" cause more problems in the world than the US could dream of, you need to get off the extremist bandwagon.

 

[MTAFFI]

War critics astonished as US hawk admits invasion was illegal


Iraq war was illegal and breached UN charter, says Annan


Army chiefs feared Iraq war illegal just days before start


Former UN Chief Weapons Inspector Hans Blix: Iraq War Was Illegal


Bush and Saddam Should Both Stand Trial for War Crimes, Says Nuremberg Prosecutor

what is your point?? What should the US have done in response to the 9/11 tragedy? Should we leave ourselves open, no reaction, let people keep bombing our embassies and cities? What about OBL, should he have to face war crimes? What about all of the insurgent groups, they too then should face war crimes... The thing is the US is not at war in iraq right now, our objectives in iraq are complete, we are just trying to provide security now, which cant be done because of the mongrels and heathens that insist on the deaths of more muslims to get people like you to believe it is all the US's fault. Face it, the Muslim world (in the middle east) today is in shambles and probably wont recover. It isnt the US's fault you cant be civilized and get along because of ridiculous religious differences. But hey, I think we will be leaving relatively soon anyways, so we will see who is blowing up mosques and setting off car bombs and killing officials, police, women, children and other innocent civilians. You should be ashamed