Immunizations - Harmful to your Child or Not? By Dr. Aisha Hamdan

[Na'imah]

Here's something on artificial food dyes (found in some vaccines):

(www)(dot)journal.com.ph/index.php/lifestyle/health-a-wellness/22249-dangers-of-eating-food-dyes

Again, why would you want to inject/ingest these known carcinogens/poisons into yourself or your loved ones? And why is an artificial dye even necessary for a vaccine? Who cares if it's "pretty" or not? Lolz!

 

[Na'imah]

The Hippocratic Oath:

nktiuro.tripod.com/hippocra.htm

"I SWEAR in the presence of the Almighty and before my family, my teachers and my peers that according to my ability and judgment I will keep this Oath and Stipulation.

TO RECKON all who have taught me this art equally dear to me as my parents and in the same spirit and dedication to impart a knowledge of the art of medicine to others. I will continue with diligence to keep abreast of advances in medicine. I will treat without exception all who seek my ministrations, so long as the treatment of others is not compromised thereby, and I will seek the counsel of particularly skilled physicians where indicated for the benefit of my patient.
I WILL FOLLOW that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous. I will neither prescribe nor administer a lethal dose of medicine to any patient even if asked nor counsel any such thing nor perform the utmost respect for every human life from fertilization to natural death and reject abortion that deliberately takes a unique human life.

WITH PURITY, HOLINESS AND BENEFICENCE I will pass my life and practice my art. Except for the prudent correction of an imminent danger, I will neither treat any patient nor carry out any research on any human being without the valid informed consent of the subject or the appropriate legal protector thereof, understanding that research must have as its purpose the furtherance of the health of that individual. Into whatever patient setting I enter, I will go for the benefit of the sick and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief or corruption and further from the seduction of any patient.
WHATEVER IN CONNECTION with my professional practice or not in connection with it I may see or hear in the lives of my patients which ought not be spoken abroad, I will not divulge, reckoning that all such should be kept secret.
WHILE I CONTINUE to keep this Oath unviolated may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art and science of medicine with the blessing of the Almighty and respected by my peers and society, but should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse by my lot."

 

[Snowflake]

Posted by Scimi:
Let's take a peek at the common 'INGREDIENTS' of vaccines and see whether they whet your appetite:

ammonium sulfate
amphotecirin B
animal tissues (eg: monkey kidney, chick embryo, eggs)
calf (bovine serum)
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (from aborted human fetal tissue)
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
phenoxethanol (antifreeze)
VERO cells (continous lines of monkey kidney cells)
thimerosal (mercury)
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolsate of casein
washed sheep red blood cells

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To those who are pro vaccine: What you're saying is akin to telling parents whose children have been harmed by vaccines that they are brainless individuals who can't tell the difference between when their child was well to when he/she became ill after receiving the shots. Allah has given parents a natural instinct to protect their offspring from harm and to know when something is not right, even before any doctor confirms it. Science can't even begin to touch on this God given ability, and anthropologists claim that humans have no instincts. Subhan Allah. My message to the skeptics is to close your eyes to big pharma's deception if you will, but please don't insult those whose lives have been damaged by harmful immunizations.

Everybody else, thank you so much for your amazing contribution and efforts in bringing tons of evidence to prove the harm of vaccines - most of which I'd never encountered before. The good news is that a growing number of doctors have started speaking about the dangers of vaccines.





[h=1]Gardasil (HPV Vaccine): Fraud in Plain Sight – Dr. Whitaker MD[/h] Posted on March 23, 2012 by The Refusers
[h=3]By Dr. JULIAN WHITAKER, MD[/h] Of all the dangerous nonsense perpetuated by Big Pharma and its savage attack dogs in federal and state government, the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine is surely the most fraudulent and wasteful.

I’ve spoken out against this debacle since Gardasil, Merck’s HPV vaccine, was approved back in 2006. Now it’s in the news again, ever since Michele Bachmann dusted up Texas governor Rick Perry during a presidential candidate debate for issuing an executive order to require vaccination of all 11- and 12-year-old girls in Texas. (This was later revoked by the Texas state legislature.) Mike Toomey, Perry’s former chief of staff, was a lobbyist
for Merck at that time. If that isn’t quid pro quo, I don’t know what is. Nevertheless, all females as young as age 9 through age 26 are being urged to get this vaccine—with or without parental consent or knowledge in some states. They’re even recommending it for preadolescent boys and young men! The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and the most repugnant odors are the clear lack of scientific validity, astronomical costs, and, most of all, the horrific harm inflicted on our children.



Lack of Scientific Validation
The purpose of Gardasil and Cervarix (GlaxoSmithKline’s HPV vaccine), according to the fuzzy logic of Big Pharma, is to prevent cervical cancer. Regardless of what the drug companies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), or your child’s physician says, not only is there no firm scientific data to support that widespread contention, but the whole concept is irrational. The vaccine has been shown to prevent precancerous changes of the cervix, but to assume that these changes will progress to cancer is dishonest and manipulative. Ninety percent of HPV infections clear up spontaneously.


USPSTF Agrees
Recognizing this, in October the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) issued new guidelines recommending that women be tested for cervical cancer with Pap tests (not HPV tests) every three years rather than annually because more frequent testing leads to overtreatment of low-grade changes that would in all likelihood not turn out to be cancerous.
The Task Force further bolstered the stupidity of vaccinating young girls when they changed the screening guidelines to include only women ages 21 through 65, noting that cervical cancer is exceptionally rare in women under age 21. In any case, cervical cancer is very slow growing, so we won’t know whether mass vaccination reduces death rates for 20–30 years! It’s all presumption, a huge lottery in which there may well be no winners—other than the drug companies.



Skewed Statistics
Even more ****ing are the infection statistics. The vaccine camp underscores the need for mass inoculation by trotting out government statistics showing that more than a quarter of American females ages 14–59 and nearly 45 percent of those ages 20–24 have been infected with HPV.
However, they fail to mention that there are 40 sexually transmitted HPV strains, and those targeted by Gardasil (types 6, 11, 16, and 18) and Cervarix (types 16 and 18) are rare. HPV types 6 and 11, which can cause genital warts, were detected in 1.3 and 0.1 percent of women, respectively, and types 16 and 18, which are linked with some cases of cervical cancer, were present in only 1.5 and 0.8 percent! Bottom line: very, very few women who have HPV are infected with high-risk strains, and far fewer get cervical cancer. Every year in the United States, about 12,000 women are diagnosed with this cancer, and 4,000 die of it. Of course, any premature death is a tragedy, but we cannot lose sight of the fact that, according to the latest statistics from the National Cancer Institute, only 0.68 percent of women will ever be diagnosed with, let alone die of, cervical cancer.



Number Needed to Treat
To further underscore the absurdity of universal HPV vaccination, let’s look at the concept of “number needed to treat,” or NNT, an extremely useful statistic for evaluating any medical treatment. Simply stated, NNT tells us how many people need to be treated with a given therapy to get the desired benefit in one patient. The lower the NNT, the more effective and predictable the treatment. For example, peptic ulcers are primarily caused by Helicobacter pylori bacteria, and antibiotics that eradicate it are an extremely effective therapy. For every 11 patients with H. pylori who are treated with antibiotics, 10 are cured of their peptic ulcer. Therefore, the NNT is 1.1 (11 divided by 10). Another example is statin drugs, which are prescribed to millions of people to lower cholesterol. According to a recent study, in order for statin drugs to prevent one heart attack, stroke, or cardiovascular death (the desired outcome of cholesterol-lowering), they would have to be taken by 1,000 patients, making statins’ NNT 1,000 (1,000 divided by 1). The other 999 people per 1,000 who take these drugs and are subjected to their adverse effects get no benefit at all.



Unacceptable, Sky-High NNT
So what is the NNT of the HPV vaccine in terms of preventing cervical cancer deaths? Even if it completely wiped out cervical cancer—which no one expects it to do—thousands would have to be vaccinated in order to prevent one death. The others would obtain no benefits, yet would be needlessly exposed to the inherent risks of this vaccine. Most statisticians agree that an NNT over 40 is no more than a crap shoot. An NNT in the thousands is an unmitigated fraud, and there’s no evidence that the vaccine will save even one life!
We already have a system in place for preventing cervical cancer that works very well: regular Pap tests (every three years for women ages 21–65). Even the most vocal vaccine proponents admit the vaccine doesn’t eliminate the need for Pap testing—or that most cervical cancer deaths occur in women who haven’t been screened in the past five years. This system has reduced the incidence of cervical cancer from 15 in 100,000 women in 1975 to 6.6 per 100,000 in 2008. Why fix something that isn’t broken? The answer is obvious: Follow the money.


Astronomical Costs
In the United States, there are roughly 30 million females between the ages of 9 and 26 who are “eligible” for HPV vaccination, which requires three doses spread out over six months at a retail price of $130 each ($390 total). That’s nearly $12 billion right into the pockets of Big Pharma.
Now, let’s add in physicians’ fees and average the cost for the three-dose course at $500. (Some doctors will charge more, some less.) So $500 x 30 million patients = $15 billion. Imagine spending $15 billion on a vaccination program with no hard evidence that any lives will be saved! Let’s take it a step further and assume this lavish blanket of presumed protection actually works and cervical cancer is eliminated. (Nevermind that a miniscule percentage of HPV-infected women ever develop cervical cancer, that 30 percent of women with cervical cancer have not been infected with HPV, and that we won’t even know if the darned thing works for decades.) Guess how much it would cost per life saved in this best-case scenario? $7.5 million! If we took that $15 billion and put it towards food subsidies and other proven health interventions, we could save tens of millions of lives. But, incredibly, the powers that be prefer to waste it on a fraudulent vaccination program that funnels the money into the coffers of Big Pharma!


Now They’re Going After Boys
As if 30 million girls and young women weren’t enough, Merck tried to get Gardasil approved for women up to age 45, but even the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recognized this absurdity for what it was. However, Big Pharma also has males in their sights, arguing that they too must be vaccinated to prevent the spread of HPV to their sexual partners.
If vaccinating females makes no sense, going after males is a crime against humanity. HPV is almost always an inconsequential infection in males, so the NNT for them is infinity! No male gets any benefit at all. Unfortunately, they are not immune to the adverse effects of the vaccine. In fact, they are likely at greater risk of damage—at least that’s what we’ve learned from the standard childhood vaccinations, which negatively affect two to three times more boys than girls. As for costs, don’t get me started. We would spend another $15 billion vaccinating all males in the target age range—with zero benefits to them and absolutely no assurance or evidence that this “experiment” would ultimately reduce the rate of cervical cancer in women. There’s only one given: Any amount of money spent on such an ill-advised campaign would be 100 percent waste to the public, yet hugely profitable for Big Pharma.


Horrific Damage to “Gardasil Girls” :heated:
I predict that the entire HPV vaccine folly will not only be a colossal failure in terms of health benefits, but it will also leave an expanding wake of “Gardasil girls” suffering with seizures, strokes, chronic headaches, and worse. One of these girls is Zeda Pingel, whose mother Amy Pingel chronicles her daughter’s destruction in the excellent, must-read book Vaccine Epidemic: How Corporate Greed, Biased Science, and Coercive Government
Threaten Our Human Rights, Our Health, and Our Children.
In 2008, 13-year-old Zeda was a happy, healthy straight-A student and cheerleader with a bright future when, during a routine well-child checkup, her pediatrician suggested she have the Gardasil vaccine. Although neither Amy nor Zeda knew much about it, they went along with the doctor’s recommendation. The problems started a week later, and within three weeks, Amy reports, “I began to lose my precious daughter. Zeda stopped talking, stopped eating, stopped walking, and…lost control of her bladder.”



Doctors in Denial
Despite spending months in a top-notch children’s hospital specializing in neurological problems and undergoing hundreds of tests, Zeda’s doctors couldn’t find a single explanation for her rapid deterioration. Given that it started after Zeda was vaccinated, Amy thought it could be related to Gardasil, yet every time she brought it up, the medical team aggressively denied that it could have been involved.

Their denial borders on the diabolical. For weeks, the doctors and nurses accused Zeda of faking her symptoms, even though she was having frequent grand mal seizures. Even worse, they suspected her mother was coaching her to keep up the pretense and went so far as to install 24-hour surveillance cameras in hopes of “proving” that the mother and daughter were involved in a hoax. Today, Zeda is fed through a gastric tube, breathes through a tracheotomy, and lives in a vegetative state in the living room of her mother’s home. Her tragedy is not an isolated incident. Tens of thousands of adverse reactions to the HPV vaccine have been documented—including over 100 deaths.


Bypassing Parental Consent
One of the most disgusting aspects of this entire charade is the lengths to which they’re going in order to force this vaccination program down our throats. Several state governments have enacted laws that require schools to hand out information on the vaccine to sixth graders and their parents and insurance companies to provide reimbursement.
For example, the state of New Jersey delivered HPV vaccine propaganda to parents via their children’s backpacks. And, here in California, Governor Jerry Brown recently signed legislation that enables children as young as 12 to be vaccinated against HPV and hepatitis B without a parent’sknowledge or consent. Imagine, parents have to sign waivers for their children to go on a school picnic, but 12-year-olds, without parental knowledge or consent, can have toxic substances injected into their growing bodies. This combination of Big Pharma plus government is, in a single word, evil. There is no other way to describe it.


Parents, It’s Up to You
Unfortunately, you can’t count on your doctor to help you make educated decisions on the HPV vaccine. Virtually all pediatricians follow the dictates of the American Academy of Pediatrics, CDC, and other handmaidens of Big Pharma and vigorously support every vaccination program that comes down the pike. Their refusal to rock the boat by acknowledging the growing body of evidence about the dark side of vaccines is safe for the doctor but terribly dangerous for your child. (Just imagine what it would be like if you were Zeda’s mother, Amy Pingel.)
Parents, it’s up to you to protect your children. Keep the lines of communication open and make sure your kids understand the extreme risks and no proven benefits of the HPV vaccine. As Amy Pingel says, “…people who pressure you to vaccinate don’t own the consequences. Only you, as parents, do.”

In Summary
Folks, it’s going to get worse before it gets better. In addition to blowing the cervical cancer angle way out of proportion, vaccine proponents are now fabricating additional “benefits” in order to sell their wares. When a recent small study demonstrated a potential, preliminary link between HPV infection and risk of heart attack and stroke, headlines across the country screamed that the vaccine protects against cardiovascular disease! Now, that’s a stretch if there ever was one.
It may take many years and, unfortunately, countless injuries and untold numbers of deaths, but we’re not as naïve or stupid as Big Pharma takes us to be. Mark my words. The public will eventually wake up and see the HPV vaccine for what it is—a dangerous, money-grabbing, scientifically invalid fraud.


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[Snowflake]

27 Dirty Little Vaccine Secrets Every Parent Needs to Know About

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1. Whether Gardasil prevents cancer

Gardasil is promoted as a vaccine which prevents cancer. Here is what immunologist Charlotte Haug M.D. Ph.D writes in her article in New Scientist (1)

“Despite claims that the vaccine will cut cancer deaths by two-thirds or more, its overall effectiveness in the prevention of cervical cancer remains unknown and will not be known for decades.”

2. Necessity for boosters
Information regarding the possible necessity and intervals for booster doses is unknown.




3. Whether Gardasil increases the risk of cancer.
The vaccine has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity(2). Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
There may be increased risk of cancer due to replacement of some virus strains with new strains which may be more carcinogenic.
“If HPV-16 and HPV-18 are effectively suppressed, will there be selective pressure on the remaining strains of HPV? Other strains may emerge as significant oncogenic serotypes” (3)
Rosemary Mathis, director of SaneVax asks:” Gardasil and Cervarix: Are strains targeted by the vaccines replaced by other HPV viruses?”(4)



4. Whether there is increased risk of cancer due to the unexpected discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA
Dr. Sin Hang Lee, a pathologist at the Milford Hospital pathology laboratory was contracted by SaneVax to examine Gardasil for possible contamination. The samples tested positive for recombinant viral HPV-11 and viral HPV-18 residues, both of which were firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant (5)
It is unknown whether the recombinant (genetically engineered) HPV DNA is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating cancer (5)

5. Whether there is increased risk of autoimmune disorders due to the recombinant HPV DNA
It is unknown whether the genetically engineered HPV DNA, or adventitious DNA, is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating a host of autoimmune disorders (5)

6. If HPV is necessarily an infection transmitted by sexual intercourse
Merck states that HPV is sexually transmitted. However, they surely are aware that HPV infection has been found in placentas, umbilical cord blood and in infants, so it is not necessarily an infection which is transmitted by sexual intercourse (6)
“A May 2006 FDA VRBPAC document stated girls previously exposed to vaccine-relevant human papillomavirus and get inoculated with Gardasil have a 44.6% increase in getting cervical cancer in their life time” (31)
Dr.Jim Howenstine, M.D:“HPV vaccine increases the risk of developing a precancerous cervical lesion by 44.6% in women .previously infected with a HPV viral type found in the vaccine”(7)
An unknown but extremely large number of girls across the world who are already exposed to HPV are being pressured into taking the vaccine with the consequential risk of cervical cancer being increased by 44.6% (32).. Not only is this unethical and cynical, it is downright criminal.

7. Whether Gardasil causes genotoxicity
According to product information this has not been evaluated (2)



8. Whether the vaccine targets the relevant virus strains in different demographicsA May 2008 study on high-risk and multiple human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in cancer-free Jamaican women presented at the Second Annual International African-Caribbean Cancer Consortium Conference cited:
“The most important finding was that unlike the genotype distribution patterns seen in North America, Europe and some parts of Asia, HPV types 16 and 18 were not the most common high-risk genotype”(8) “Why is Gardasil marketed globally through the Gardasil Access Program when HPV 16 & 18 may not even be prevalent amongst the targeted populations?”
“HPV genotype distribution in this group of Jamaican women differs from the patterns found in Europe, North America and some parts of Asia. It may be necessary therefore to consider development of other vaccines which target genotypes found in our and similar populations. HPV genotyping as well as Pap smears should be considered”(28)



9. Whether the strains change in the course of time
Rosemary Mathis, SaneVax, writes “A graph clearly shows that HPV 16 & 18 are not even prevalent in Colombian women until their mid-20s – long after vaccine efficacy has worn off if a girl is administered Gardasil or Cervarix in her adolescent years”(8)



10. Adverse events due to concomitant administration with other vaccines
There are very few studies regarding relevant concomitant administration (2)



11. The true numbers and extent of serious adverse events
National Vaccine Information Center: “It is estimated that only between 1 and 10 percent of all adverse health outcomes which occur following vaccination are reported to VAERS” (9)(26)(32)
Dr. Russell Blaylock also discussed the low rate of reports of vaccine problems, being somewhere in the range of 2%, due to the passive and voluntary nature of the system. According to Blaylock’s estimate, it is likely that there are more than 600 deaths and over 100,000 serious adverse events from this vaccine (10)
SaneVax regularly publishes updates from VAERS reports regarding adverse events and deaths (11)
A fact of which Merck is well aware:
Merck has not disclosed to the public that during the trials 73.3% of the participants who received Gardasil acquired a new medical condition”(32)

12. Long term serious side effects
Jagannath Chatterjee:“Vaccine long term effects may span the lifetime particularly as the inflammatory process set in motion does not stop. Many of the vaccine ingredients lodge themselves permanently in the tissues, fat cells and the brain and continue to inflict a steady and progressive damage permanently. Attenuated live viruses introduced by vaccines may stay dormant for long periods, often mutate, and can become virulent when the immune system becomes weak due to any reason. As vaccines adversely affect the immune system viruses and bacteria present in humans that were not virulent earlier are today causing diseases”.

13. What the results would be if a true placebo had been used in all the clinical trials
“The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial” (12)(29)


14. What the results of clinical trials would be if Merck had not used their own exclusion criteria
The vaccine has been tested on handpicked groups (2, 13). These are not representative of the groups who have been, or will be vaccinated. Exclusion criteria:
1) Allergies to any component of the vaccine
2) History of a severe allergic reaction
3) Known history of any allergies to food or medicine
4) Immunocompromised, Immunodeficient or has an autoimmune condition
5) History of any condition, therapy, lab abnormality or other circumstance such that it is not in the best interest of the participant to participate
6) Clinically significant disease or clinically significant findings during the screening medical history or physical examination that, in the investigator’s opinion, would compromise the outcome of this study.
7) Have a weakened immune system or other immune problems
”If these “exclusion criteria” were known by, and applied to families in the United States of America, prior to the vaccination of their child, virtually none of the 22,000 girls and boys listed by the CDC’s VAERS reporting system as being injured by the Gardasil HPV vaccine, would have been allowed to be vaccinated, and 100 deceased HPV vaccinated children, would still be alive today”(13)
Summary: With the way the clinical trials are conducted as to which people they allow to participate the average population that the HPV vaccines are being administered to are omitted. Consequently, because of this practice it is now unknown how many have the potential to be at risk of having an adverse event.
15. Whether there is increased risk of blood clots when Gardasil is combined with hormonal contraceptive pills
Studies regarding the combination of Gardasil and contraceptive pills have focused on potential impairment of immune response (2), but not on the issue of increased risk of blood clots.
CDC states: “There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors” (14)
The reported cases of blood clots after Gardasil in VAERS may be blamed on other factors when the actual cause may in fact be due to the vaccine.
16. Whether thereis an increased risk of brain damage
The ingredient polysorbate renders the blood-brain barrier more porous and possibly facilitates passage of neurotoxic aluminium, sodium borate and other toxic substances through the blood-brain barrier into the brain tissue (15)

Many girls who suffer from injuries after Gardasil exhibit symptoms of brain damage (16)
There have been few if any autopsies which include thorough investigation of brain tissue of girls who have died after Gardasil.

17. Consequences of “bridging”, the extrapolation of study results from one group to another
In her article in the American Chronicle Christina England writes: “Gardasil has never been tested in young girls under fifteen years old, says whistleblower Diane Harper” (17). The vaccine has been advised for different age groups, also for boys, although it is not known whether similar results may be extrapolated to the different groups.
There is generally a lack of knowledge regarding the effects of vaccines in connection with hormonal changes in the body (for example puberty, menstrual cycles, pregnancy and menopause).



18. Consequences if the vaccine is not thoroughly shaken
Instructions for administration include thorough agitation (2) No studies can be found regarding the consequences if this instruction is not followed although this is a realistic situation in practice.



19. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of infertility due to polysorbate.
Polysorbate has been shown to cause infertility in lab rats (18),(19)



20. Whether polysorbate is carcinogenic
Jeffrey J. Aufderheide in his article “Vaccine Ingredients: Non-Ionic Surfactants” asks: “ Could Tween 80 (polysorbate 80), being a carcinogen or co-carcinogen, also be one of the reasons vaccines are not tested for causing cancer?” (20)

21. Health consequences due to the presence of polysorbate and l-histidine
Cynthia A. Janak has written about this in her article “Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a Marriage of Disaster” (21)



22. Whether aluminium adjuvant is safe
In her article “Aluminium in Vaccines. Where are the safety studies?” (22) Catherine Frompevich writes:
“Since the 1930s vaccine makers have been using aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines. However, from what I’ve been able to gather over years of researching vaccines and vaccinations, there doesn’t seem to be studies determining aluminum safety issues”.
“- although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials”(30)
“In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences”.
“Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminium adjuvants,medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor” (23)(31)

23. Consequences due to the presence sodium borate (borax)
Sodium borate is used as a food additive in some countries, but it is now banned in many places. For example, one Australian government recall site notes: “Product is Borax (sodium borate) which is a non permitted food additive and is harmful to health. So, if it’s harmful to health, why is it being added to the HPV vaccine?”(24)

24. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of miscarriages, stillbirths or babies born with anomalies
“There are however no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women”(2)

Gardasil has been included in the childrens’ vaccination program in Norway for 12 year old girls.
Norway has been chosen for studies because there are several well organised obligatory population registers including ones for birth, cancer and other illnesses and death. A research contract has been negotiated between FDA, Merck and the Norwegian Government (25)
The contract includes this statement from FDA to Merck: “You have committed to conduct a study in collaboration with the Norwegian Government, if GARDASIL ® is approved in the European Union and the Government of Norway incorporates HPV vaccination into its national guidelines, to assess the impact of HPV vaccination on the following in Norway:
e) The interaction between administration of GARDASIL ® and pregnancy outcomes, especially congenital anomalies, by linking the vaccination registry with the Medical Birth Registry.”

25. Whether Gardasil is excreted in human milk
According to product information studies have not been carried out. (2)



26. The complete list of ingredients
Unbelievable though it may seem, Merck does not know the complete composition of Gardasil.
Unexpected vaccine ingredients have been revealed from time to time. Investigations may be carried out by independent research workers as there is no incentive for manufacturers to search for substances in their products which might be detrimental to health.
Discoveries have been made long after vaccines have been marketed. These include the SV40 (suspected of causing cancer) in polio vaccines, pig DNA in retrovirus vaccines, cytomegaloviruses and the recent discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA in Gardasil, the consequences of which are unknown and may be horrific.
SaneVax: ”If Merck and Co., Inc. and the FDA knew small quantities of residual recombinant HPV L1-specific DNA fragments remain in Gardasil, why do marketing and information packets from around the world specifically state the vaccine contains ‘no viral DNA?”

It is reasonable to assume that the vaccine would not have gained approval had the manufacturers informed the authorities of the presence of the aluminum bound gene manipulated DNA due to potential health risks (27)

27. Whether possible benefits outweigh the risks
When Merck and other promoters know so little about the vaccine it is impossible for the risks to be weighed against possible benefits. Consequently, there are no grounds whatsoever on which safety may be evaluated.


http://vactruth.com/2011/11/04/27-dirty-little-vaccine-secrets/

 

[Snowflake]

27 Dirty Little Vaccine Secrets Every Parent Needs to Know About

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1. Whether Gardasil prevents cancer

Gardasil is promoted as a vaccine which prevents cancer. Here is what immunologist Charlotte Haug M.D. Ph.D writes in her article in New Scientist (1)

“Despite claims that the vaccine will cut cancer deaths by two-thirds or more, its overall effectiveness in the prevention of cervical cancer remains unknown and will not be known for decades.”

2. Necessity for boosters
Information regarding the possible necessity and intervals for booster doses is unknown.




3. Whether Gardasil increases the risk of cancer.
The vaccine has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity(2). Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!
There may be increased risk of cancer due to replacement of some virus strains with new strains which may be more carcinogenic.
“If HPV-16 and HPV-18 are effectively suppressed, will there be selective pressure on the remaining strains of HPV? Other strains may emerge as significant oncogenic serotypes” (3)
Rosemary Mathis, director of SaneVax asks:” Gardasil and Cervarix: Are strains targeted by the vaccines replaced by other HPV viruses?”(4)



4. Whether there is increased risk of cancer due to the unexpected discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA
Dr. Sin Hang Lee, a pathologist at the Milford Hospital pathology laboratory was contracted by SaneVax to examine Gardasil for possible contamination. The samples tested positive for recombinant viral HPV-11 and viral HPV-18 residues, both of which were firmly attached to the aluminum adjuvant (5)
It is unknown whether the recombinant (genetically engineered) HPV DNA is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating cancer (5)

5. Whether there is increased risk of autoimmune disorders due to the recombinant HPV DNA
It is unknown whether the genetically engineered HPV DNA, or adventitious DNA, is capable of altering human DNA potentially initiating a host of autoimmune disorders (5)

6. If HPV is necessarily an infection transmitted by sexual intercourse
Merck states that HPV is sexually transmitted. However, they surely are aware that HPV infection has been found in placentas, umbilical cord blood and in infants, so it is not necessarily an infection which is transmitted by sexual intercourse (6)
“A May 2006 FDA VRBPAC document stated girls previously exposed to vaccine-relevant human papillomavirus and get inoculated with Gardasil have a 44.6% increase in getting cervical cancer in their life time” (31)
Dr.Jim Howenstine, M.D:“HPV vaccine increases the risk of developing a precancerous cervical lesion by 44.6% in women .previously infected with a HPV viral type found in the vaccine”(7)
An unknown but extremely large number of girls across the world who are already exposed to HPV are being pressured into taking the vaccine with the consequential risk of cervical cancer being increased by 44.6% (32).. Not only is this unethical and cynical, it is downright criminal.

7. Whether Gardasil causes genotoxicity
According to product information this has not been evaluated (2)



8. Whether the vaccine targets the relevant virus strains in different demographicsA May 2008 study on high-risk and multiple human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in cancer-free Jamaican women presented at the Second Annual International African-Caribbean Cancer Consortium Conference cited:
“The most important finding was that unlike the genotype distribution patterns seen in North America, Europe and some parts of Asia, HPV types 16 and 18 were not the most common high-risk genotype”(8) “Why is Gardasil marketed globally through the Gardasil Access Program when HPV 16 & 18 may not even be prevalent amongst the targeted populations?”
“HPV genotype distribution in this group of Jamaican women differs from the patterns found in Europe, North America and some parts of Asia. It may be necessary therefore to consider development of other vaccines which target genotypes found in our and similar populations. HPV genotyping as well as Pap smears should be considered”(28)



9. Whether the strains change in the course of time
Rosemary Mathis, SaneVax, writes “A graph clearly shows that HPV 16 & 18 are not even prevalent in Colombian women until their mid-20s – long after vaccine efficacy has worn off if a girl is administered Gardasil or Cervarix in her adolescent years”(8)



10. Adverse events due to concomitant administration with other vaccines
There are very few studies regarding relevant concomitant administration (2)



11. The true numbers and extent of serious adverse events
National Vaccine Information Center: “It is estimated that only between 1 and 10 percent of all adverse health outcomes which occur following vaccination are reported to VAERS” (9)(26)(32)
Dr. Russell Blaylock also discussed the low rate of reports of vaccine problems, being somewhere in the range of 2%, due to the passive and voluntary nature of the system. According to Blaylock’s estimate, it is likely that there are more than 600 deaths and over 100,000 serious adverse events from this vaccine (10)
SaneVax regularly publishes updates from VAERS reports regarding adverse events and deaths (11)
A fact of which Merck is well aware:
Merck has not disclosed to the public that during the trials 73.3% of the participants who received Gardasil acquired a new medical condition”(32)

12. Long term serious side effects
Jagannath Chatterjee:“Vaccine long term effects may span the lifetime particularly as the inflammatory process set in motion does not stop. Many of the vaccine ingredients lodge themselves permanently in the tissues, fat cells and the brain and continue to inflict a steady and progressive damage permanently. Attenuated live viruses introduced by vaccines may stay dormant for long periods, often mutate, and can become virulent when the immune system becomes weak due to any reason. As vaccines adversely affect the immune system viruses and bacteria present in humans that were not virulent earlier are today causing diseases”.

13. What the results would be if a true placebo had been used in all the clinical trials
“The FDA allowed Merck to use a potentially reactive aluminum containing placebo as a control for most trial participants, rather than a non-reactive saline solution placebo. A reactive placebo can artificially increase the appearance of safety of an experimental drug or vaccine in a clinical trial” (12)(29)


14. What the results of clinical trials would be if Merck had not used their own exclusion criteria
The vaccine has been tested on handpicked groups (2, 13). These are not representative of the groups who have been, or will be vaccinated. Exclusion criteria:
1) Allergies to any component of the vaccine
2) History of a severe allergic reaction
3) Known history of any allergies to food or medicine
4) Immunocompromised, Immunodeficient or has an autoimmune condition
5) History of any condition, therapy, lab abnormality or other circumstance such that it is not in the best interest of the participant to participate
6) Clinically significant disease or clinically significant findings during the screening medical history or physical examination that, in the investigator’s opinion, would compromise the outcome of this study.
7) Have a weakened immune system or other immune problems
”If these “exclusion criteria” were known by, and applied to families in the United States of America, prior to the vaccination of their child, virtually none of the 22,000 girls and boys listed by the CDC’s VAERS reporting system as being injured by the Gardasil HPV vaccine, would have been allowed to be vaccinated, and 100 deceased HPV vaccinated children, would still be alive today”(13)
Summary: With the way the clinical trials are conducted as to which people they allow to participate the average population that the HPV vaccines are being administered to are omitted. Consequently, because of this practice it is now unknown how many have the potential to be at risk of having an adverse event.
15. Whether there is increased risk of blood clots when Gardasil is combined with hormonal contraceptive pills
Studies regarding the combination of Gardasil and contraceptive pills have focused on potential impairment of immune response (2), but not on the issue of increased risk of blood clots.
CDC states: “There have been some reports of blood clots in females after receiving Gardasil. These clots have occurred in the heart, lungs, and legs. Most of these people had a risk of getting blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (the birth control pill), smoking, obesity, and other risk factors” (14)
The reported cases of blood clots after Gardasil in VAERS may be blamed on other factors when the actual cause may in fact be due to the vaccine.
16. Whether thereis an increased risk of brain damage
The ingredient polysorbate renders the blood-brain barrier more porous and possibly facilitates passage of neurotoxic aluminium, sodium borate and other toxic substances through the blood-brain barrier into the brain tissue (15)

Many girls who suffer from injuries after Gardasil exhibit symptoms of brain damage (16)
There have been few if any autopsies which include thorough investigation of brain tissue of girls who have died after Gardasil.

17. Consequences of “bridging”, the extrapolation of study results from one group to another
In her article in the American Chronicle Christina England writes: “Gardasil has never been tested in young girls under fifteen years old, says whistleblower Diane Harper” (17). The vaccine has been advised for different age groups, also for boys, although it is not known whether similar results may be extrapolated to the different groups.
There is generally a lack of knowledge regarding the effects of vaccines in connection with hormonal changes in the body (for example puberty, menstrual cycles, pregnancy and menopause).



18. Consequences if the vaccine is not thoroughly shaken
Instructions for administration include thorough agitation (2) No studies can be found regarding the consequences if this instruction is not followed although this is a realistic situation in practice.



19. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of infertility due to polysorbate.
Polysorbate has been shown to cause infertility in lab rats (18),(19)



20. Whether polysorbate is carcinogenic
Jeffrey J. Aufderheide in his article “Vaccine Ingredients: Non-Ionic Surfactants” asks: “ Could Tween 80 (polysorbate 80), being a carcinogen or co-carcinogen, also be one of the reasons vaccines are not tested for causing cancer?” (20)

21. Health consequences due to the presence of polysorbate and l-histidine
Cynthia A. Janak has written about this in her article “Polysorbate 80 and Histidine, a Marriage of Disaster” (21)



22. Whether aluminium adjuvant is safe
In her article “Aluminium in Vaccines. Where are the safety studies?” (22) Catherine Frompevich writes:
“Since the 1930s vaccine makers have been using aluminum as an adjuvant in vaccines. However, from what I’ve been able to gather over years of researching vaccines and vaccinations, there doesn’t seem to be studies determining aluminum safety issues”.
“- although aluminum adjuvants have been used in vaccines for decades, they were never tested for safety in clinical trials”(30)
“In particular, aluminum in adjuvant form carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation and associated neurological complications and may thus have profound and widespread adverse health consequences”.
“Despite almost 90 years of widespread use of aluminium adjuvants,medical science’s understanding about their mechanisms of action is still remarkably poor” (23)(31)

23. Consequences due to the presence sodium borate (borax)
Sodium borate is used as a food additive in some countries, but it is now banned in many places. For example, one Australian government recall site notes: “Product is Borax (sodium borate) which is a non permitted food additive and is harmful to health. So, if it’s harmful to health, why is it being added to the HPV vaccine?”(24)

24. Whether the vaccine will increase the risk of miscarriages, stillbirths or babies born with anomalies
“There are however no adequate and well-controlled studies in pregnant women”(2)

Gardasil has been included in the childrens’ vaccination program in Norway for 12 year old girls.
Norway has been chosen for studies because there are several well organised obligatory population registers including ones for birth, cancer and other illnesses and death. A research contract has been negotiated between FDA, Merck and the Norwegian Government (25)
The contract includes this statement from FDA to Merck: “You have committed to conduct a study in collaboration with the Norwegian Government, if GARDASIL ® is approved in the European Union and the Government of Norway incorporates HPV vaccination into its national guidelines, to assess the impact of HPV vaccination on the following in Norway:
e) The interaction between administration of GARDASIL ® and pregnancy outcomes, especially congenital anomalies, by linking the vaccination registry with the Medical Birth Registry.”

25. Whether Gardasil is excreted in human milk
According to product information studies have not been carried out. (2)



26. The complete list of ingredients
Unbelievable though it may seem, Merck does not know the complete composition of Gardasil.
Unexpected vaccine ingredients have been revealed from time to time. Investigations may be carried out by independent research workers as there is no incentive for manufacturers to search for substances in their products which might be detrimental to health.
Discoveries have been made long after vaccines have been marketed. These include the SV40 (suspected of causing cancer) in polio vaccines, pig DNA in retrovirus vaccines, cytomegaloviruses and the recent discovery of aluminium bound recombinant HPV DNA in Gardasil, the consequences of which are unknown and may be horrific.
SaneVax: ”If Merck and Co., Inc. and the FDA knew small quantities of residual recombinant HPV L1-specific DNA fragments remain in Gardasil, why do marketing and information packets from around the world specifically state the vaccine contains ‘no viral DNA?”

It is reasonable to assume that the vaccine would not have gained approval had the manufacturers informed the authorities of the presence of the aluminum bound gene manipulated DNA due to potential health risks (27)

27. Whether possible benefits outweigh the risks
When Merck and other promoters know so little about the vaccine it is impossible for the risks to be weighed against possible benefits. Consequently, there are no grounds whatsoever on which safety may be evaluated.


http://vactruth.com/2011/11/04/27-dirty-little-vaccine-secrets/

 

[جوري]

Yes I can see it, the last post on that page is yours. Sis, I posted articles from Doctors who know their stuff. Not being a Doctor myself, you cannot ask me to give you the specific data you request. However, you can deduce that the Doctors who wrote the articles I posted - did not come to their conclusions willy nilly, but thru a sound process, one which you yourself are willing to do...

...You don't have to accept what I have posted, all I'm saying is that there is plenty of evidence to suggest that the pharma industry is a joke where they laugh longest and hardest, while babies cry til they sometimes die.

Scimi

The page can't load properly and I see the safes on it have left. The original article was posted by a psychologist and others by one whose opinion is orphan and debunked in the medical community. I have shown what accepted peer reviewed research looks like and how we interpret data. There's nothing more I can impart in shaa Allah those who browse or are lurking can make an intelligent decision. By law in medicine we are required to display risks and benefit and the patient or parent in this case can make up their mind whether a .05% risk of anaphylaxis for instance is worth their child's death from complications of contracting a particular virus.. My main concern is with those who make haram what Allah swt made halal not whether of not you've convinced me with third party quotes

 

[جوري]

That meant to say sages I really hate how the forum pages aren't working and I can't even edit so that it makes sense I am typing from the phone

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

However, I do have a bachelors, masters and a doctorate which means a higher education affording me a chance to understand how science works vs. how movies are made (don't know how those are made either) but apparently they're quite convincing considering.

Ukhti, You can afford a chance to understand how science works, yet, a psychologist cannot afford a chance to understand how science works? Be fair here come on. Aisha Hamdan actually has a PhD in Phsychology AND a BA in Islamic studies. The Next article posted was by Dr. A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM who is also a Spokesman for the Islamic Medical Association in the UK. He is a Medical doctor who is also capable of understanding how science works, since apparently the rest of us are incompetent. >_>

The original article was posted by a psychologist and others by one whose opinion is orphan and debunked in the medical community.

If you haven't made yourself a name like they have, then why discredit them? They are perfectly capable of understanding the things you do, and both being Muslim, they did the CORRECT thing and looked beyond science, they place Islam first, not their academics from what I can see. They didn't stick with just the lopsided science we have now. Science and religion were separated in or around the 1700's, when we entered the material age full fledged. Before then, science and religion were together, as they should be.

By law in medicine we are required to display risks and benefit and the patient or parent in this case can make up their mind whether a .05% risk of anaphylaxis for instance is worth their child's death from complications of contracting a particular virus..

Doctors, myself included, learn a lot about diseases in medical school, but we learn very little about vaccines, other than the fact that the FDA and pharmaceutical companies do extensive research on vaccines to make sure they are safe and effective. We don't review the research ourselves. We never learn what goes into making vaccines or how their safety is studied. We trust and take it for granted that the proper researchers are doing their jobs. So, when patients want a little more information about shots, all we can really say as doctors is that the diseases are bad and the shots are good. But we don't know enough to answer all of your detailed questions about vaccines. Nor do we have the time during regular health checkup to thoroughly discuss and debate the pros and cons of vaccines - Dr. Robert W Sears, MD

^^Dr.Sears is NOT anti-vaccine by the way and is one of the most well known pediatricians in the U.S.

My main concern is with those who make haram what Allah swt made halal not whether of not you've convinced me with third party quotes

MMR- sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin (in most cases porcine derived), sorbitol, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium
phosphate dibasic, human albumin, sodium bicarbonate, potassium
phosphate monobasic, potassium chloride, potassium phosphate dibasic,
neomycin, bovine calf serum, chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human
diploid lung fibroblasts, MRC-5 cells

zoster- sucrose, hydrolyzed porcine gelatin, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium
phosphate dibasic, potassium phosphate monobasic, neomycin, potassium
chloride, residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and
protein, bovine calf serum

The ingredients alone are clearly haraam, no scholar needs to say this. All Muslims know that pork is haraam, abortion is haraam, slaughtered cow that is not slaughtered according to islamic law is haraam. There's loads more ingredients that are being overlooked here, just using two vaccines as an example. These are basic understanding we should all have as muslims. We all know these things are haraam so then? Look at every single vaccine and the ingredients list from the CDC http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf


In the US Alone every baby under the age of 1 gets 26 doses of this junk, that is just in year one. That is assault. As I have said before, this isn't about the doctors themselves, or the scientists, in fact, we have scientist who have sued merk, a big manufacturer for vaccines for being dishonest. This is a shady business.

In the complaint, the scientists outline in great detail exactly how Merck manipulated the efficacy results in order to be able to say they had a 95% effective vaccine so that they could meet the fairytale goal of vaccine-induced “herd immunity by 2010.” Well, it turns out that the vaccine could not meet the goal that CDC projected to eradicate mumps by 2010, BECAUSE the vaccine, in its current state cannot reliably confer immunity, and is in fact a dilute version of what it once was when Maurice Hilleman invented it using the virus of his five year old daughter. The same viral mumps strain has been in use in every mumps or MMR vaccine Merck has made since 1967.

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/06/25/scientists-sue-merck-allege-fraud-mislabeling-and-false-certificaion-of-mmr-vaccine-suzanne-humphries-md/


This opens up another can of worms.

- cOsMiC

 

[جوري]

A psychologist isn't a psychiatrist even one is a PhD and the other an MD. be that as it may, I am not toting around an MD in anesthesiology while commenting extensively on orthopedics. Surely you can see where that would be absurd for even an anesthesiologist spends their time in the OR to comment, everyone is best suited to their fields of expertise. We're talking a woman who should be concerned with psychoanalysis not an egg allergy.
No one has brought anything substantive to the table and it worries me truly what you deem scientific or research... since by its very nature should be free from bias and personal opinion or agenda. That in and of itself is a confounder.
Like I said what you believe and I emphasize the term isn't what concerns me. What concerns me is that someone interested in Islam lurking there waiting to see what this religion is about and is in turn met with conspiracy theories, frank ignorance and almost a form of intellectual and religious bullying of what Allah swt made halal.

If you want to make vaccines and medications and doctors and 'big pharma co.' into some sort of monstrosity with a global agenda looking to feed on your brains and that is of your kids it is your business and your right-- It is my privilege however to counter that with sound knowledge, and I believe several people on this thread have done that successfully. They've obviously taken a leave due to the redundancy and almost crusade like charge to sway public opinion. It has failed and keeps failing and you should look to the reasons why..
BTW if you desire to make pilgrimage you'll have to have certain vaccines which also change to those above a certain age i.e 65 since they're susceptible to a whole other set.. so try to convince the entire Islamic council from making haram those recommendations which are otherwise mandatory during pilgrimage since you're not only endangering you life and your offspring but an entire population of pilgrims.

 

[جوري]

Again can neither quote, edit or open all the pages so hopefully the technical bugs can be fixed in sha Allah..

 

[Tyrion]

Ukhti, You can afford a chance to understand how science works, yet, a psychologist cannot afford a chance to understand how science works? Be fair here come on. Aisha Hamdan actually has a PhD in Phsychology AND a BA in Islamic studies. The Next article posted was by Dr. A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM who is also a Spokesman for the Islamic Medical Association in the UK. He is a Medical doctor who is also capable of understanding how science works, since apparently the rest of us are incompetent. >_>

Dunno why you're bringing up Islamic qualifications, since they don't really mean anything in this context. They could have all the Islamic studies degrees in the world, and it would't affect how much science/medicine they could understand.

Also, as I mentioned in my last post (which you might wanna read), one or two articles are almost never enough to take down an entire field of study, especially when most others in that field have dismissed and proven those opposing views false.

You can't think of it like religion.

If you haven't made yourself a name like they have, then why discredit them?

You don't honestly think that someone is more trustworthy because they've built a name for themselves, do you?

Also I'm having trouble understanding something... Isn't the general view of the members here that we should listen to scholars on issues we don't understand, and typically go with the majority after they've done their research and come up with a result? Is there a reason why you guys don't feel that way about non religious subjects?

 

[Muezzin]

I'm not sure if leaving this thread open will lead to someone refusing to take a vaccine that could save their life. FYI, neither Islamicboard nor any of its moderators are affiliated with major pharmaceutical companies.

It's hard to believe some of the things on this thread, and the use or misuse of Ahadith. Guys, it's really stretching things to argue that medication with porcine or simian extracts transforms humans into pigs and apes respectively.

 

[جوري]

and the use or misuse of Ahadith

This is the part that I find most bothersome. No Islamic council has issued such a fatwa, and preventing people from taking vaccines especially elderly on their way to pilgrimage (which is made mandatory btw) in my book is almost criminal. Yes I know Saudi Arabia is evil, as I have come to learn or late amongst other things.. I honestly can't believe my eyes of what I am reading!

 

[جوري]

A list of vaccines and their ingredients:

(www)(dot)cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

A list of TOXIC substances:

toxtown.nlm.nih.gov/text_version/chemicals.php?id=1

I haven't the time to go after every post individually but will give an example with this one, of what is grossly wrong with lay people interpreting medical data.
The sister here lists for us 'vaccine ingredients' - she decided then to google the ingredient acetone, she links us to another page on the NIH to cement the kind of authority her later 'research' wields..acetone oh my God that's nail polish remover.
but did she bother for instance to also equally google that acetone is an endogenous ketone water soluble and naturally found in the body? Or do you also wish to question God why he would create in us such fatty acids to be broken down for energy?

I can do this for every ingredient and every article you bring and repeat and re-post.. so do we really want to go down that path?

 

[cOsMiCiNtUiTiOn]

A psychologist isn't a psychiatrist even one is a PhD and the other an MD. be that as it may, I am not toting around an MD in anesthesiology while commenting extensively on orthopedics. Surely you can see where that would be absurd for even an anesthesiologist spends their time in the OR to comment, everyone is best suited to their fields of expertise.

I pointed out their fields because you stated that because of your higher level of education, you can afford to understand science better, read research papers such as the one you showed here etc. So, Regardless of their fields of expertise, they can also afford to understand science better, just like you can. Your field isn't immunology correct? So, you choose pro-vaccination based on your understanding. The Doctors, regardless of their field, can choose to be against vaccinations based on their understanding. Nobody should follow anybody blindly without question.

What concerns me is that someone interested in Islam lurking there waiting to see what this religion is about and is in turn met with conspiracy theories, frank ignorance and almost a form of intellectual and religious bullying of what Allah swt made halal.

They are only theories when there is no fact to back them up. Here's just an example,

Fact: medical Research is funded by Banks.
http://www.bnpparibas.com/en/about-us/corporate-philanthropy/bnp-paribas-foundation
http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=09B36896-0BE9-56D4-8151-7BE22D89B2E2

Banks are all ribah based as we all know.

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) cursed the one who consumes ribaa, the one who pays it, the one who writes it down and the two who witness it. He said they are all the same.” (Narrated by Muslim).

Before anyone puts words in my mouth, let me just say that I understand ribah is just about inevitable now a days. I've mentioned many times now that this isn't a personal attack against doctors and those who spend their lives studying medicine, not at all. However, it cannot be denied that money runs the show, ribah runs the show and therefore we must question it and not follow it blindly. If you all actually take the time to read the information provided, instead of dismissing it because it comes from what you all consider to be ignoramuses, you all would see what is actually being said here. Instead of splitting apart we should come together, and those of you with medical knowledge can help, for instance to understand medical terminology a bit more, and you yourselves should be a bit more humble and open up to understanding the other side of the coin/ a different perspective, but instead it is all taken personal and so therefore all the information ignored, or broken apart to show weak points. lame.

I'm not going to waste my time any further and continue on a circle, when it's clear you all haven't taken the time to reflect upon what has been said here, only to point out things you don't agree with. At least us layman don't trust anyone blindly. Personally, I question every book I read and trace where their information comes from. If it is one sided I read the other side or the argument as well. That is how I made the decision to not vaccinate. None of you who are studying medicine or what have you, have brought anything decent to the table asides your personal opinions.

If you want to make vaccines and medications and doctors and 'big pharma co.' into some sort of monstrosity with a global agenda looking to feed on your brains and that is of your kids it is your business and your right--

For the 4th time now I say, this is NOT about doctors themselves, medical students etc. So stop making it personal, because ultimately that is what is happening here. This is about where we stand in time, the bigger picture. Nobody is looking to feed on anyone's brains as far as I know. This is all about how to make the bigger buck is all. These people don't care about anyone, they care about money and we were warned about this. Yet medical doctors according to you "take an oath". To whom??

- cOsMiC

 

[جوري]

I pointed out their fields because you stated that because of your higher level of education, you can afford to understand science better, read research papers such as the one you showed here etc. So, Regardless of their fields of expertise, they can also afford to understand science better, just like you can. Your field isn't immunology correct? So, you choose pro-vaccination based on your understanding. The Doctors, regardless of their field, can choose to be against vaccinations based on their understanding. Nobody should follow anybody blindly without question.

It is a faulty analogy. Firstly as I am not loaning my expertise to an area completely outside my sphere, nor am I favoring a field of study over another or suggesting that one field is superior to another. I am merely pointing out that her chosen field is psychology and she has a PhD -It isn't an MD- they follow a completely different course . Secondly though I have had extensive training in immunology, epidemiology and research not by choice just where I found myself working I am still not writing articles from a personal interest nothing pro or against vaccinations and in fact conceded as much to ABZ when he requested my research. I told him where my research was concentrated. I didn't quote third party sources nor populate defunct articles and labeled it 'research'- rather what I have done and what anyone else can do really with what is presented here is point out the error therein such as with the very last post I wrote (above)!

They are only theories when there is no fact to back them up. Here's just an example,

Incorrect, the mere fact that something is physically given and effects are seen means it has made it past the theoretical to experimental.

Fact: medical Research is funded by Banks.

http://www.bnpparibas.com/en/about-us/corporate-philanthropy/bnp-paribas-foundation
http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle_uuid=09B36896-0BE9-56D4-8151-7BE22D89B2E2

Banks are all ribah based as we all know.

This is an odd segue whether or not research is funded by a bank, a good Samaritan, public funds or the govt. isn't important. What matters is finding cures, or preventative vaccines to the things that plague humanity. Or at least sparing someone the ills of casting doubt upon their character or religiosity for resorting to medications or vaccines. If you managed to avoid getting sick more power to you and what a great blessing. That is not the case for the majority of people in the world of whom 70% live below poverty lines and where death from diseases like Rota virus could be easily avoided but to further suggest that they should simply die because it is fate and you've made this into a haram and that into a haram isn't compatible with Islamic beliefs. Not compatible whatsoever-- Frankly I find it cruel & vile & completely deviant from aqeedah!

Before anyone puts words in my mouth, let me just say that I understand ribah is just about inevitable now a days. I've mentioned many times now that this isn't a personal attack against doctors and those who spend their lives studying medicine, not at all. However, it cannot be denied that money runs the show, ribah runs the show and therefore we must question it and not follow it blindly. If you all actually take the time to read the information provided, instead of dismissing it because it comes from what you all consider to be ignoramuses, you all would see what is actually being said here. Instead of splitting apart we should come together, and those of you with medical knowledge can help, for instance to understand medical terminology a bit more, and you yourselves should be a bit more humble and open up to understanding the other side of the coin/ a different perspective, but instead it is all taken personal and so therefore all the information ignored, or broken apart to show weak points. lame.

Again the concept of ribba has nothing to do with the topic, nor is blindness appropriately applied in this situation. True blindness is taking selective truths and making it into something which it isn't..
And I wouldn't be so quick to judge anyone's personal experience, paupers or doctors alike as they're often not mutually exclusive!
Anyone can easily concoct some truth about you in the time you sat at home and became queen bee for some guy to support you & your kid financially so you'd have the luxury to google metered dose facts, others were scraping, running on three hour sleep, taking all sorts of abuses with pennies in their pocket and generally missing out on life and still have nothing to show for it in the end. So as your friend a couple of posts down suggests, who is really being condescending? No one needs to sprawl their life out for your satisfaction nor is there any dignity in that!

I'm not going to waste my time any further and continue on a circle, when it's clear you all haven't taken the time to reflect upon what has been said here, only to point out things you don't agree with. At least us layman don't trust anyone blindly. Personally, I question every book I read and trace where their information comes from. If it is one sided I read the other side or the argument as well. That is how I made the decision to not vaccinate. None of you who are studying medicine or what have you, have brought anything decent to the table asides your personal opinions.

It is apparently only clear to your clique.. we're not talking the ladies home journal here or entertainment tonight or youtube. We are talking entire institutions & dedicated physicians who spend their life in the pursuit of science!
And I find it rather unfair that you suggest that we haven't brought anything decent to the table. I don't think you bother read other that what the few of you post to pat each other on the back for a similar opinion. Zaria, truestranger, Rhubarb, tyrion, pathos, Muezzin and myself have been rebutting you articles every step of the way. Should we be faulted for you disliking content?
Worst than not reading is frank dishonesty, such as with the sister with similar agenda to yours who posts something as a 'toxic' substance and yet fails to disclose that it is also a naturally occurring compound in the body.
Would you not consider that equally haram to making what is lawful haram especially when she alleges that she knew that all along and that the rest of us are being condescending as if having a valid assessment of the situation is some sort of crime.

For the 4th time now I say, this is NOT about doctors themselves, medical students etc. So stop making it personal, because ultimately that is what is happening here. This is about where we stand in time, the bigger picture. Nobody is looking to feed on anyone's brains as far as I know. This is all about how to make the bigger buck is all. These people don't care about anyone, they care about money and we were warned about this. Yet medical doctors according to you "take an oath". To whom??

- cOsMiC

No one is looking to make the big bucks off you and if vaccines are offered free to the underprivileged it isn't because they're being experimented on. As it seems there's no winning the direction taken, 'big pharma' is making med or surgical instruments at the end of the day the receiving & giving end of things is a human being .. thus I honestly don't know who 'they' that you speak of? Institutions are made of people. I think you're the one who is taking it personally.
I take alot of crap on and off screen from people and yet it wouldn't deter me nor make me cower from posting or saying it as it should be said. It isn't a popularity contest.. I am not looking to be liked. I am looking for transparency.

 

[CosmicPathos]

The purpose of Gardasil and Cervarix (GlaxoSmithKline’s HPV vaccine), according to the fuzzy logic of Big Pharma, is to prevent cervical cancer. Regardless of what the drug companies, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), or your child’s physician says, not only is there no firm scientific data to support that widespread contention, but the whole concept is irrational. The vaccine has been shown to prevent precancerous changes of the cervix, but to assume that these changes will progress to cancer is dishonest and manipulative. Ninety percent of HPV infections clear up spontaneously.

This is wrong info, sis. There is validated irrefutable scientific evidence which shows that cervical dysplasia (carcinoma in-situ) has a significantly higher chances of converting into a malignant cancer. HPV vaccine prevents malignant cervical cancer by keeping away HPV infections.

"In postlicensure safety surveillance for the quadrivalent HPV vaccine, 6.2% of all reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) described serious adverse events, including neurologic injury (eg, Guillain-Barré syndrome) and 32 reports of death. In comparison with other vaccines, rates of most of these adverse events were no greater than the background rates, but there was disproportional reporting of syncope and venous thromboembolic events."

1. Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, et al. Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine. JAMA. Aug 19 2009;302(7):750-7. [Medline].

And we are not talking about mandatory vaccination here, these HPV vaccines are for sexually active women (which is haram in Islam outside marriage). We are talking about vaccination to babies.

 

[جوري]

This is wrong info, sis. There is validated irrefutable scientific evidence which shows that cervical dysplasia (carcinoma in-situ) has a significantly higher chances of converting into a malignant cancer. HPV vaccine prevents malignant cervical cancer by keeping away HPV infections.

"In postlicensure safety surveillance for the quadrivalent HPV vaccine, 6.2% of all reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) described serious adverse events, including neurologic injury (eg, Guillain-Barré syndrome) and 32 reports of death. In comparison with other vaccines, rates of most of these adverse events were no greater than the background rates, but there was disproportional reporting of syncope and venous thromboembolic events."

1. Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, et al. Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine. JAMA. Aug 19 2009;302(7):750-7. [Medline].

You should tackle the rubella one next, it will be good study material for you because it often shows up on the boards... and also because I am too lazy to do it

 

[جوري]

The thing about the HPV vaccine is it doesn't cover all strains but a few including the three strains which may progress to carcinoma but the other strains that don't progress to cancer are NOT a walk in the park either ..
not cancer but certainly ugly to have and not without its problems
local or otherwise

either way I don't care much for the HPV vaccine or that recombinant flu one but the childhood stuff is a necessity in my opinion...

 

[Na'imah]

I haven't the time to go after every post individually but will give an example with this one, of what is grossly wrong with lay people interpreting medical data.
The sister here lists for us 'vaccine ingredients' - she decided then to google the ingredient acetone, she links us to another page on the NIH to cement the kind of authority her later 'research' wields..acetone oh my God that's nail polish remover.
but did she bother for instance to also equally google that acetone is an endogenous ketone water soluble and naturally found in the body? Or do you also wish to question God why he would create in us such fatty acids to be broken down for energy?

I can do this for every ingredient and every article you bring and repeat and re-post.. so do we really want to go down that path?

Must you be so condescending? :hmm: I didn't need to Google, "...that acetone is an endogenous ketone..." as I'm already aware of that fact. I also didn't Google the ingredient, "acetone." I did a search for a list of known toxic substances.

I may not have all the degrees that you do, but I am, in fact, a very intelligent person (IQ 140.) A degree is no indication of intelligence. You may think I'm an ignorant "layperson," but you don't know me and I think it's very insulting for you to imply that I'm somehow less intelligent than you. Oh, wait! "Oh my God! She has a bachelor's, master's, and a doctorate degree!" Oh yeah, you must be so much smarter than me!

"An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"God is, even though the whole world deny him. Truth stands, even if there be no public support. It is self-sustained." ~Mahatma Gandhi

"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place." ~Mahatma Gandhi